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post #1 of 14 Old Mar 12th, 2020, 3:32 pm Thread Starter
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Free battery anyone?

After two mornings after cold nights where the LT barely started and a third night when after 10 minutes we gave up and push started the LT, I am replacing my 8 year-old Shorai Lithium Iron Phosphate battery. I ordered a NICHE AGM battery from Amazon and will be meeting up with its delivery this weekend in Orlando. I will then dispose of the Shorai. The sad part is that it cranks the LT just fine in warm weather (above 60 or so) so it likely has a lot of life left in it in a warm climate. However, I do not live in a warm climate and ride often at temps below 50 where the lithium batteries simply suck.

If any forum members in a warm climate want it, let me know. It would be especially convenient if someone in the Orlando are wanted it or someone roughly on the route between Orlando and PA. That should save the hassle of trying to get it shipped. Otherwise, it goes to a recycling center if I can find one that will take it.

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Curious why the NICHE when many use the Odyssey with no issue. You know something we don't?

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Curious why the NICHE when many use the Odyssey with no issue. You know something we don't?
I’ve read as many bad reports of late as good ones regarding Odyssey. And $130 vs $80 was compelling. I tried what I thought was a top of the line battery (Shorai) and it turned out to be a huge mistake. So, I am back to cheap batteries replaced every 4 years or so. I only bought this one because Walmart didn’t stock one to fit the LT.

I nearly tried the Mighty Max at $60, but saw a number of reviews about bad batteries out of the box and being on a trip I didn’t want to risk that.
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post #4 of 14 Old Mar 13th, 2020, 6:06 am
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I use a walmart battery Its a BT20.
It doubles in my snowmobile. Not a perfect fit, it's 3/16th short, a little shim works fine warm or cold.
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I tried what I thought was a top of the line battery (Shorai) and it turned out to be a huge mistake. .
Yeah, I have read a few threads where the Lithium Iron don't work when really cold so I never thought of getting one even in the south. I don't think batteries are what they used to be as I have gone through 3 Duralast gold in my car a year before their free replacement warranty ran out which was only 3 years. Batteries used to last 8 or more years but someone got greedy and decided we needed a more often replacement cycle. Another engineered to fail part. So far, my Odysseys have been good but 6 years is all I am going to push them assuming they make it that far.
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FWIW, I installed a “chrome” (brand name) AGM battery bought from Amazon (delivered next day) in my ‘08 R1200GS, about 6 years ago. Performs flawlessly, has a built-in voltmeter on top, was ~$30 compared to $250 for the BMW battery it replaced. Chrome has its own website, and Amazon still carries their products. I also put one in my ‘99 R1100RT around the same time, and it still goes strong too. The RT battery is the same size as the LT battery. I attribute some of my battery longevity to the float chargers i keep them on when parked. That is 3 cars, 6 bikes and 3 mowers & a Kubota tractor.
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Yeah, I have read a few threads where the Lithium Iron don't work when really cold so I never thought of getting one even in the south. I don't think batteries are what they used to be as I have gone through 3 Duralast gold in my car a year before their free replacement warranty ran out which was only 3 years. Batteries used to last 8 or more years but someone got greedy and decided we needed a more often replacement cycle. Another engineered to fail part. So far, my Odysseys have been good but 6 years is all I am going to push them assuming they make it that far.
Where you live, I think a lithium ion battery would be great. They really crank the LT over when warm or hot. I only have issues below about 50 degrees when the bike sits for hours overnight at temps less than that. I think in a warm climate, the Shorai would have lasted 10-12 years which makes its $200 cost about competitive with $80 batteries than last 4 years.

I would not buy Shorai brand. They have a horrible battery design and terrible customer service. I won’t repeat it here as i think I posted the details a few years ago somewhere in the forum. I have seen at least one other lithium iron maker that seems to have addressed Shorai’s design flaws, but I can’t speak to charger quality or customer service. The company I saw made the case the standard size so you don’t need to fill the battery box with pads and they had more robust terminals than Shorai.

Which reminds me, I need to get rid also of a BMS-01 Shorai charger. Anyone want it?

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Sure. I have 5 Shorai batteries and only one charger.

... it’s always above 80F here all year round ...


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Shorai have been okay.
One failed in my LT.
Seems to have a voltage leak and didn’t crank it for months and it went down to 3 volts.
It did recover but was unreliable. In the end after many recharges one of the cells just swelled.
The other one was 8 years old and a friend left the lights on and it was dead. Just replaced it.
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Sure. I have 5 Shorai batteries and only one charger.

... it’s always above 80F here all year round ...


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Shorai have been okay.
One failed in my LT.
Seems to have a voltage leak and didn’t crank it for months and it went down to 3 volts.
It did recover but was unreliable. In the end after many recharges one of the cells just swelled.
The other one was 8 years old and a friend left the lights on and it was dead. Just replaced it.
They been better than lead-acid batteries.


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I do not understand why Shorai did not make the case a standard size so that mounting is a no-brainer. That little bit of extra plastic case can’t cost that much. And the terminals are flimsy compared to every other battery I have used.

My first Shorai died the first winter I owned it. I had it on the Shorai BMS-01 charger and apparently the charger does not come back on after a power failure. We had a failure that winter and I did not catch for several weeks that the BMW-01 was no longer maintaining the battery. The battery was dead and would not recover. Shorai replaced it under warranty and admitted that their charger had a “firmware” issue and did not recover from a power failure. They said they would have a firmware update in a few weeks and would contact me to update my charger. I never heard from them so I sent an email. They replied it would be a few more weeks. Rinse and repeat this a couple more times and then they simply refused to reply to my emails.

So, I have no sure for Shorai as either a product or a company when I believe there are much better alternatives out there. My BatteryMINDer has maintained the Shorai fairly well, but I do hook it up to the BMS-01 once or twice a year to balance the cells. Lithium ion batteries tend to not live nearly as long if they are not balanced at the cell level.

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I installed the NICHE battery yesterday. It was packed well and arrived in good shape. It is nice to have a battery that fits the battery box again and get rid of all that foam. The only downsize is this battery only has terminals for vertical mounting and my cables have been attached horizontally for a long time and it was a little hard to get the smaller positive cable installed (is this the one for the reverse controller?). I will probably try to find some adapters when I get home so I can mount the cables horizontally again.

The weight difference still amazes me, but hopefully I can now get back to PA without having to have Linda push start the LT!
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