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Thumbs up Two Engines in One!!!

I guess I am a fairly conservative rider -- always rev the old K engine up until it hit the rough spot (around 4300) and then upshift. But yesterday, when the light turned green, my had slipped off the cluch and she died right in the middle of the intersection. After about 10 cars blew there horns at me, I got her started back up and took off. Being somewhat aggrevated by the experience, this time I rev'ed her up to about 7000 before upshifting. Damn that thing runs different between 6000 and redline -- like a totally different engine!!!!

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post #2 of 20 Old Jan 15th, 2007, 4:35 pm
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How come you guy's got to get mad to discover that.

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How come you guy's got to get mad to discover that.
yup... got the point now that I rarely hit third on my way to work. Just don't see the point as the speed is below 60 the whole way.

Trust me, it took a couple of months before I could keep it up near 6K... just didn't seem right.... but it's right now...

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I guess I am a fairly conservative rider -- always rev the old K engine up until it hit the rough spot (around 4300) and then upshift. But yesterday, when the light turned green, my had slipped off the cluch and she died right in the middle of the intersection. After about 10 cars blew there horns at me, I got her started back up and took off. Being somewhat aggrevated by the experience, this time I rev'ed her up to about 7000 before upshifting. Damn that thing runs different between 6000 and redline -- like a totally different engine!!!!
We say it over and over and over again, but some just don't listen, and have to learn THEIR way.

Shifting below 4,500 is a total waste of the bike's performance, and the bike really does not like it much. As I and others have said time and time again, this fat lady LOVES to sing, and it IS a totally different bike in the 5-8,000 range.

I rarely used 5th below 80, and used 3,500 as my shift point, for DOWN shift! Normal cruising/touring upshifting for me was in the 5,500-6,000 range, anything else 6,000-7,500, depending on what I was doing. Got surprised a few times by the rev limiter, so did not use 8,000 very much.

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I'm trying to set mine to idle at 4500 RPM!

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Damn that thing runs different between 6000 and redline -- like a totally different engine!!!!
LOL!!!!

Makes me think to the first time I had it on the highway at "speed" after I bought it. Was running 60 miles south on the interstate with some Harley Pirate friends going to a Quaker Steak and Lube for Wednesday night beer, babes, and wings. I was on cruise at 70mph and fiddling with the radio controls. The whole group of hogs got the urge to rocket up. They dusted me until I downshifted to 4th and kicked the spurs into the beast. By the time I hit 5th, I was going almost 90, dumped into 5th and said "bye-bye". Shocked the he!! out of me and most importantly my friends. They gasped at how that big grey beemer could double as an Olympic Jamaican Bobsled on steroids.... Said the engine sounded like a fighter jet as I flashed by them.

That's why it is still in my barn 5 years later. Still puts silly grins on my face.
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I hear you all, and I believe you... yet I'm reluctant to run the RPMs that high for other than acceleration to the next gear, and even then I shift at pretty sedate RPMs. At highway speeds sure, I could run at 70 mph in 2nd or 3rd, but I'll take the better fuel economy and quieter sound of the 5th gear, and downshift when I need to, to pass. Maybe if I had more experience on bikes (and on different bikes) I'd play in the higher RPM range. The few times I've taken it to 6k RPMs I love the performance and the sound.

Bear with me; I'll keep dipping my toes in the higher RPMs and have no doubt I'll learn to love it.

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I hear you all, and I believe you... yet I'm reluctant to run the RPMs that high for other than acceleration to the next gear, and even then I shift at pretty sedate RPMs. At highway speeds sure, I could run at 70 mph in 2nd or 3rd, but I'll take the better fuel economy and quieter sound of the 5th gear, and downshift when I need to, to pass. Maybe if I had more experience on bikes (and on different bikes) I'd play in the higher RPM range. The few times I've taken it to 6k RPMs I love the performance and the sound.

Bear with me; I'll keep dipping my toes in the higher RPMs and have no doubt I'll learn to love it.
You should just get out one day and agree with yourself you're not going to let the bike below 5000 rpms. First find a fairly straight stretch of backroad and run it from 5000 - 7500 through the gears, up and down a few times until you get a basic feel for the power delivery. Once you've done that get on one of your favorite,more winding, roads that you know well, something that's at least a 15-20 minute run. You can keep speed down by running in lower gears, and you'll get a good feel for the power delivery and extra "oomph" that you get up there while working through the twisties. Pay attention to your braking as well as the engine braking, as both will be different from the lower rpm/more leisurely pace. Run it back and forth a few times to develop your comfort with the power delivery, and within about an hour I'll bet dollars to donuts you'll feel much better if not just fine with the powerband up there. Then, if you're feel frisky, move up a gear on everything and hit it!

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From everything I've been told about bike and auto motors, it's good practice to run the engines at strong rpm's every so often to break up carbon deposits and blow em out.
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From everything I've been told about bike and auto motors, it's good practice to run the engines at strong rpm's every so often to break up carbon deposits and blow em out.
That assumes that these guys EVER run their engines slow enough to accumulate carbon!

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That assumes that these guys EVER run their engines slow enough to accumulate carbon!
For me, If I can't run it hard, it just ain't no fun!! Have slowed a bit with high fuel prices though.
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Yesterday a couple of young friends one on a Honda and the other on a Yamaha sportbike (600cc's) came over and got me to go for a couple hour ride with them. On one streatch of highway I was in front and at about 3500rpm and I could see one of them started to pass me so I rolled on the throttle to around 8k for the first three gears. They didn't pass me and when we came to the next light they both flipped up their face shields and asked how big is that engine, how much does it weigh, how can it go that fast? I know I know a 600cc sportbike will dust an LT, but an old fart who knows how to use the magic power zone of this bike can fool a young man into thinking this thing is fast! Oh ya I had Boston's "More than a Feeling" blastin on the stero at the time, I loved it!!

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When you get around 125 mph you have to downshift to 4th to maintain acceleration, as 5th just bogs you down.

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ya that is kinda of strange downshifting at 125!

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I've had my LT for a couple of months now, and have become quite comfortable with flirting with the redline WHENEVER I CAN !!!

It has the Remus Titanium system on it, and has the most awesome growl when under full throttle. ( although, it is quite 'boomy' at cruising speeds ).

My old CBX has a few mod's, and runs 11.70's, I'm thinking the fat lady can give it a run for the money, it just feels that strong.

No offense meant, but a guy on a Harley "duece" rolled up beside me last weekend, and told me I had a 'cute' moped........1 mile down the road, US#1, at the next light, he pulled over at the shoulder about 100 yards behind me and waited for the light to change.....

I love educating stupid people.......

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I am thinking of getting the Remus Ti system, where did you get it and how much are they?

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You should just get out one day and agree with yourself you're not going to let the bike below 5000 rpms. First find a fairly straight stretch of backroad and run it from 5000 - 7500 through the gears, up and down a few times until you get a basic feel for the power delivery. Once you've done that get on one of your favorite,more winding, roads that you know well, something that's at least a 15-20 minute run. You can keep speed down by running in lower gears, and you'll get a good feel for the power delivery and extra "oomph" that you get up there while working through the twisties. Pay attention to your braking as well as the engine braking, as both will be different from the lower rpm/more leisurely pace. Run it back and forth a few times to develop your comfort with the power delivery, and within about an hour I'll bet dollars to donuts you'll feel much better if not just fine with the powerband up there. Then, if you're feel frisky, move up a gear on everything and hit it!
Consider this on my "spring training" list. Or sooner, once some of the rain/ice goes away. Thanks!

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The Remus came with the motorcycle...I bought it used, from what I have been able to research, it runs around 800 bucks and change. I believe my bike has had the "chip" played with. It does not have any issues with idle, or mid throttle drop off's, or anything that would make you think that miss-matched parts were installed.

If I back off the throttle at high RPM and let the engine do the braking down to the lower RPM range, I sometimes get a backfire, which is normal for a free flowing exhaust with no back pressure (rich mixture).

So far, I'm getting 44 MPG, and I think that's great, since I started measuring only around town mileage....when I drove the bike home, it got 54. (all highway, and I was very cautious).

I'm not a writer, I just wish I could express how much I love this bike.

Period.

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....running through my bag of goodies, I've discovered, a couple of very small black plastic boxes. They are labeled rhinewest Performance. Inside one of them is the old factory chip, the other was the case for the encryption board.

Now things are coming together on why the bike seems so quick. And it SIPS fuel !!!

Who could ask for anything more ?

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It was quite a trasition for me. I came from a Yamaha VStar 1100 cruiser. With no tach at all, I would always shift when the bike began to vibrate which never took very long

From there onto the K1200, I would always be reaching for the clutch when i heard the engine just start to spin up...what a waste. The bike is a joy at higher RPM and seems to just love it!

My brother owns a Ferarri 308GTS...that is a car that HATES being driven lightly...positively starts singing at higher RPMs.

Definitely two things I have enjoyed getting used to
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