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post #1 of 22 Old Feb 24th, 2019, 11:59 am Thread Starter
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To all you great people, this forum has been an amazing source of ideas and instruction for my planned upcoming first 12,000 maintenance and few upgrades. Mine is a 2004 with 29K miles and I don't the benefit of knowledge of prior maintenance so I'm going all in. I've also watched a dozen or more of Kurt's videos in IL. I bought the bike in Oct and drove it home 80 miles and it's been in storage since.

I have planned; Spiegler brake lines/fluid, FD fluid, Trans/Engine filter, fluids, spark plugs, fuel filter, air filter, steel fuel line quick disconnects, LED turn signals and 4 brake bulbs, park lights(all SuperBrightLEDS), DDM H7 HID upgrade, 35W 4300, have to re-secure one of the mirror safety straps, steel air stems, FOBO bluetooth TPMS, Avon 3D XM front and back at 42/47psi. Probably remove the CD changer since we will use our Sena helmet system and can use the extra storage, going to try the Hudway heads up display for cell navigation- but not sure the geometry and angles will match up - it was only $50 so worth a try. Eventually I will do the weep hole mod. Maybe next fall the clutch and rebuild the FD if evidence necessitates. Eventually like to get the Ohlin shocks, but OUCH!

So, my only question so I am prepared in advance - I want to install LED dash lights - how many bulbs are there?

Thanks much. We'll be cruising in northern GA, NC, Smokey Mountains, etc. hope to run into you on the road.
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post #2 of 22 Old Feb 24th, 2019, 12:09 pm
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I read in another thread that 6 were needed.
I bought 10 to have a few more from the superbrightleds website.

I’ll do the install as well.

What’s that HID upgrade you’re referring to?
I used an LED for the high beam.
But the low beam could improve.


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I think when I installed the dash LEDs, there were 5 lights. I had ordered a six pack from Superbright LEDs so I have one extra in my parts supplies.

You will likely run into some challenges replacing turn signals and brake lights with LEDs unless you get the ones with the resistors. The low draw from LED makes a fault in the brake systems brain.

When you do your HID headlight project, I would suggest doing it while you have the tupperware off for the air filter and fuel filter work. Just a few more screws will allow removal of front nose and will more clearly expose the headlight assembly. I have done the high and low beams both ways....without nose removal and with. MUCH easier with nose piece removed.

Zip ties or steel fishing line leader both work excellently for mirror safety.

I would not be at all concerned about the clutch unless you know of clutch abuse. I am at 108k with NO clutch issue at all. I did have FD rebuilt at around 96k.

Maybe our roads will cross. Wife and I plan to attend MOA rally in Tennessee and will likely make our way to northern GA. We have friends in Hiawasee.

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Re: LED Dash Lights

There are five lights for the dash. I didn't realize that I had four that had burned out, and the difference is amazing.

As you will find, with EVERYTHING on the LT, the actual repair is nothing-it's getting TO the repair that makes us work.

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I think when I installed the dash LEDs, there were 5 lights. I had ordered a six pack from Superbright LEDs so I have one extra in my parts supplies.



You will likely run into some challenges replacing turn signals and brake lights with LEDs unless you get the ones with the resistors. The low draw from LED makes a fault in the brake systems brain.



When you do your HID headlight project, I would suggest doing it while you have the tupperware off for the air filter and fuel filter work. Just a few more screws will allow removal of front nose and will more clearly expose the headlight assembly. I have done the high and low beams both ways....without nose removal and with. MUCH easier with nose piece removed.



Zip ties or steel fishing line leader both work excellently for mirror safety.



I would not be at all concerned about the clutch unless you know of clutch abuse. I am at 108k with NO clutch issue at all. I did have FD rebuilt at around 96k.



Maybe our roads will cross. Wife and I plan to attend MOA rally in Tennessee and will likely make our way to northern GA. We have friends in Hiawasee.


Yeah, I installed a LED for the rear brake light. It looked funny, pinkish.
But it caused an issue. Not to the servo brakes, but the center stand module thought there was a problem and the center stand wouldn’t work.
I even bought a new module.
In the end I did a lot of remembering and removed the LED. It worked right away.

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To all you great people, this forum has been an amazing source of ideas and instruction for my planned upcoming first 12,000 maintenance and few upgrades. Mine is a 2004 with 29K miles and I don't the benefit of knowledge of prior maintenance so I'm going all in. I've also watched a dozen or more of Kurt's videos in IL. I bought the bike in Oct and drove it home 80 miles and it's been in storage since.
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So, my only question so I am prepared in advance - I want to install LED dash lights - how many bulbs are there?
To the best of my knowledge , there are only 5 bulbs needed for back-lighting of the instruments panel (see 1st photo). On 1999-2004 models, these originals incandescent bulbs are prone to burning long-term as they are always ON (even during the day)

Although in my opinion it serves little purpose , some have also changed the 12 warnings bulbs (see 2nd photo). Should you ever decide to do so, DO NOT EVER REPLACE the Alternator / Charging warning bulb (battery symbol) with a LED. This one needs to stay with same resistance / wattage as the original incandescent bulb (long story...).
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To the best of my knowledge , there are only 5 bulbs needed for back-lighting of the instruments panel (see 1st photo). On 1999-2004 models, these originals incandescent bulbs are prone to burning long-term as they are always ON (even during the day)

Although in my opinion it serves little purpose , some have also changed the 12 warnings bulbs (see 2nd photo). Should you ever decide to do so, DO NOT EVER REPLACE the Alternator / Charging warning bulb (battery symbol) with a LED. This one needs to stay with same resistance / wattage as the original incandescent bulb (long story...).
Are the bulbs in the 2005-09 models LED from the factory?

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Well there are no bulbs in the 05 and up. Just surface mount LEDs.
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Yeah, I installed a LED for the rear brake light. It looked funny, pinkish.
But it caused an issue. Not to the servo brakes, but the center stand module thought there was a problem and the center stand wouldn’t work.
I even bought a new module.
In the end I did a lot of remembering and removed the LED. It worked right away.

LEDs are tricky.


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Funny the EHCS unit does not monitor the brake lights other than it does receive the brake light output from the brake light relay (so it knows if you have the brakes applied) but the LED ( which is on the output side of that relay) must have caused some sort of feedback to the controller is all I can think of.

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The alternator uses the current passing through the warning light as an "exciter". If you replace it with an LED, there will be no excitation current and so it will not charge. Remedy is to provide a parallel resistance. Either a conventional resistor, or a relay will do. The relay gives the benefit that you now have an 'engine running' signal. In cars that is handy for switching towing electrics.

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Well there are no bulbs in the 05 and up. Just surface mount LEDs.
Glad to know I have no bulbs to replace.

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Wow, thanks for the answers, but now I have to address your questions

I do plan to have tupperware off and doing all this work in one weekend. My understanding from reading other threads out here is that to do the Brake LED you only do the 4 outer bulbs in red LED and leave the center bulb alone to avoid that warning light problem and have read there's a link to the EHCS thing, but that started in 2005 I believe. Mine is 2004. I also understood, and now I'll have to keep reading, that the LED park lights and turn signal lights were straight forward and should be amber for the signals and cool white for the parks. Any verification?

Mondrage - The DDM(website) H7 HID 35W 4300 is the upgrade pretty widely recommended here for the low beam. Seems most of you didn't bother with the high beam. Myself, I am a very fair weather rider - no rain, no darkness, and probably always 2 up cuz the wife loves to ride, so I'm more concerned about daytime visibility with the low beam. Bike already has the fork mounted lights as well.

Munmi - thanks for the encouraging numbers for the clutch and FD. No evidence of concern now - I thought I'd be preemptive. Allegedly this bike was very easily ridden and literally has never seen rain - it is showroom clean when you open the seat. I'll put those two projects off indefinitely.

Sailor - thanks for the advice and I have no plans to mess with the warning bulbs.

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Sorry - Kirk not Kurt. I am now pledged.
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post #14 of 22 Old Feb 25th, 2019, 11:34 pm
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I bought the 74 leds.
My LT is an ‘07.
Will these work for the illumination of the instruments ?
If so, can anyone tell me how to replace them?


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I think when I installed the dash LEDs, there were 5 lights. I had ordered a six pack from Superbright LEDs so I have one extra in my parts supplies.

You will likely run into some challenges replacing turn signals and brake lights with LEDs unless you get the ones with the resistors. The low draw from LED makes a fault in the brake systems brain.

When you do your HID headlight project, I would suggest doing it while you have the tupperware off for the air filter and fuel filter work. Just a few more screws will allow removal of front nose and will more clearly expose the headlight assembly. I have done the high and low beams both ways....without nose removal and with. MUCH easier with nose piece removed.

Zip ties or steel fishing line leader both work excellently for mirror safety.

I would not be at all concerned about the clutch unless you know of clutch abuse. I am at 108k with NO clutch issue at all. I did have FD rebuilt at around 96k.

Maybe our roads will cross. Wife and I plan to attend MOA rally in Tennessee and will likely make our way to northern GA. We have friends in Hiawasee.

So Munmi, does your comment re resistors pertain to the turn signals as well as the brakes? I've read up on the brake lights and I think I'll be okay, but now you have me wondering if the turn signal LEDs will require resistors.
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Normally yes as the LT flasher relies on a certain current draw to operate correctly. i.e. if a bulb has burned out then it will flash rapidly. You will need to present a 21 watt load to the flasher unit for each bulb. Some LED lamps already have load resistors as many autos will also fault on a bulb burn out.
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I put LEDs on my LT turn signals and skipped the resistor. I like the faster flashing even if it means I don't get a burned out bulb warning but with the LEDs, that is far less likely. I am hoping the brighter faster flash will get peoples attention better that something is happening in front of them that they need to pay attention to.

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Thanks guys.
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We partially completed a move yesterday. When I bought the back last fall I had to put in self storage. I ran the bike for 20 min with Stabil, left it on center stand and kept the battery in the house on trickle. Installed the battery yesterday, tapped the start button and off we went. Smoked for less than a minute. Unfortunately the ride was only about 7 miles but now I have the bug.
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Got the red leds for the instruments.
So, how do I install them ?


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You can't install them on an 07 there are no bulbs just surface mount LEDs on the circuit card. Check post #8.
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