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Thanks, John, I was thinking it was the easiest ones to get a wrench on.

I only had 1.5 hours available this morning, but got the radiator refilled with fresh Prestone and got the wheel circuits flushed. I could only get 2.3 liters in even with burping the sight amount of air out of the top cross connect hose. May have a little trapped air or maybe the silicon hoses are a little smaller ID. Never checked past fill volume precisely so not sure how close to the 2.5 l book value my LT is. Maybe 2.3 is normal. Never have had air trouble in the past.

It has been nearly three years since I installed the Spieglers and the fluid looked quite good. Much better than the OEM fluid looked when I did the very first flush.

I do not suck the old fluid out of the ABS reservoir, just start with a full funnel and run it through pretty fast. So, the bag has a lot of old fluid in it at first. Left front looked like a good American beer. Right front had very little color like a cheap beer. The rear was darkest, but not terrible. Not even close to a good beer (Guinness). My first OEM flush looked like Guinness. Couldn’t even see through a 1/2” of it.
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I don't know how he would be doing that. When I am behind him until he is out of sight, I never see a brake light
I’ve never had the pleasure of riding with Dave. I don’t use the brakes much. I find that above 6,000 the engine braking is pretty effective in the twisties. Then again, I ride with Linda on the back most of the time so I am not running at 10/10ths.
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Have any of you done the control circuits with the LT on your table lift? In the past, I have always had it on the ground where I could put it on the sidestand and turn the bars to get the master fairly level. I can’t do that in the wheel vise and I suspect fluid may dribble out if I remove the cover with the bike vertical and bars straight ahead.

I probably can loosen the wheel vise and turn the wheel to the side, but I have it on the centerstand and getting that down is a little bit of a challenge, though I have to do that before I can back it off the lift. I would like to leave it on the lift as it makes putting the lower fairings on much easier, but I have laid on the concrete before so I can do that again. I really like to do the brakes with the fairings off to avoid any chance of paint damage.

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Have any of you done the control circuits with the LT on your table lift? In the past, I have always had it on the ground where I could put it on the sidestand and turn the bars to get the master fairly level. I can’t do that in the wheel vise and I suspect fluid may dribble out if I remove the cover with the bike vertical and bars straight ahead.

I probably can loosen the wheel vise and turn the wheel to the side, but I have it on the centerstand and getting that down is a little bit of a challenge, though I have to do that before I can back it off the lift. I would like to leave it on the lift as it makes putting the lower fairings on much easier, but I have laid on the concrete before so I can do that again. I really like to do the brakes with the fairings off to avoid any chance of paint damage.
Don't have the wizzy brakes but the control circuit isn't motorized. I just did mine on the lift with the front in the chock and managed to get some air in because I went one pump too far. The reservoir doesn't hold nearly as much upright with the lid off so you only get a couple pumps before having to add more. I heard the dreaded slurp and I knew I was in for pumping a bunch more fluid through. I put as much in as it had when I started but I didn't compress and block the calipers like I should have. I don't think the control circuit drops in fluid over time like mine with break wear so it is likely to dump some fluid when you remove the covers if it was filled on the side when level and the bars turned.

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Don't have the wizzy brakes but the control circuit isn't motorized. I just did mine on the lift with the front in the chock and managed to get some air in because I went one pump too far. The reservoir doesn't hold nearly as much upright with the lid off so you only get a couple pumps before having to add more. I heard the dreaded slurp and I knew I was in for pumping a bunch more fluid through. I put as much in as it had when I started but I didn't compress and block the calipers like I should have. I don't think the control circuit drops in fluid over time like mine with break wear so it is likely to dump some fluid when you remove the covers if it was filled on the side when level and the bars turned.
Dumping fluid would be my luck. I guess I will bite the bullet and take it off the lift and finish the job on ground level. I need to get my KLR on the lift anyway for its Thermo-Bob installation.

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Good idea I always have the bars turned to try and level the reservoir for a flush. I used to remove the switch gear and loosen the clamp to level the reservoir but that is too much work.

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Good idea I always have the bars turned to try and level the reservoir for a flush. I used to remove the switch gear and loosen the clamp to level the reservoir but that is too much work.
Got the wife and kids to help roll it off the lift. I was trying to decide how best to raise the centerstand with the wheel in the vise when I saw a 3’ scrap 2x4. I put it under the rear tire (took a little push as the tire isn’t 1.5” off the deck) and found that it wasn’t that hard to raise the rear of the bike with the lever. My son raised the bike an inch or two and I was able to swing the centerstand up easy peasy.

I have to head out for a weekend trip and then am busy M-W of next week so may not get things polished off until the end of next week. Real close though. I just hope the old girl fires up when back together. Always has before, but there a so many chances to forget to connect something....

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Always has before, but there a so many chances to forget to connect something....
Or plug the purge valve connector onto an injector Possibly leave that center bolt loose on the valve cover. Pitfalls everywhere!!!
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Or plug the purge valve connector onto an injector Possibly leave that center bolt loose on the valve cover. Pitfalls everywhere!!!
Come on now, nobody would ever forget the center valve cover bolt. That’s just silly.

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Come on now, nobody would ever forget the center valve cover bolt. That’s just silly.
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Come on now, cheer up and go for a ride!

I got my LT off the lift so I am getting closer to a ride. Just the control circuits, clutch and sidestand grease and then putting all the parts back on. I wish I wasn’t busy the next 5 days...

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Or plug the purge valve connector onto an injector
I resemble that remark!

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Come on now, cheer up and go for a ride!

I got my LT off the lift so I am getting closer to a ride. Just the control circuits, clutch and sidestand grease and then putting all the parts back on. I wish I wasn’t busy the next 5 days...
I was going to do my clutch but stripped out the grub screw trying to get it out of the check ball thingy so will deal with that at a later date.

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I resemble that remark!
Yeah, me too but I caught it on a double check and smacked myself a little. Now my purge valve is completely removed. Not a necessary thing.

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I must be doing something wrong when I'm riding in the mountains because I've worn out a set of front pads in four days. I've had to replace the rotors twice on my 2004LT.
I never use my brakes in the mountains, I do all speed control with the engine. Maybe that is why I had to re-ring the bike after 90,000 miles of doing that.

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I never use my brakes in the mountains, I do all speed control with the engine. Maybe that is why I had to re-ring the bike after 90,000 miles of doing that.
When we get to the end of Hwy 63 where it meets Hwy 209 my brakes are smoking hot & you can smell the brake dust.
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Well, flushed the control circuits today and had an unpleasant surprise. The front master cylinder has gained enough drag so that the spring alone only slowly returns the piston. It works fine with pressure against it, but during the flush it was sluggish returning, mainly the last 1/4” or so of travel when it would almost snap back. Looks like the seals have swelled a little or there is some corrosion or gunk in the cylinder. I can’t believe it is gunk as the fluid looked almost new. At most a light amber color.

I decided to flush the clutch since I had all the stuff out and it also looked almost new. And the clutch seemed to have a little more drag than normal also. I suspect it is just the seals aging. I assume BMW sells rebuild kits, but I haven’t looked into that yet. I suspect my next flush will also include a master cylinder rebuild.

I started assembly and hit a snag putting the gas tank on. I had not used long enough hose on the fuel lines coming out of the tank so the QDs were too far rearward to mate with the ones on the bike. So, took the tank back off and have to do a little more fuel line work. It does look like things will be a little more congested with the clamps and such for the SS elbows. Looking back on it, I would probably just pay the money next time for the gold plated OEM lines. Not sure the effort required to use regular unformed fuel line is worth it.

And I forgot how much of a pain it was to install that blasted air box and tighten those clamps with no room to get hands or tools in there.

Well, got 5 days of travel and board meetings so get a few days “off” before getting back into the LT.
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Have any of you done the control circuits with the LT on your table lift? In the past, I have always had it on the ground where I could put it on the sidestand and turn the bars to get the master fairly level. I can’t do that in the wheel vise and I suspect fluid may dribble out if I remove the cover with the bike vertical and bars straight ahead.

I probably can loosen the wheel vise and turn the wheel to the side, but I have it on the centerstand and getting that down is a little bit of a challenge, though I have to do that before I can back it off the lift. I would like to leave it on the lift as it makes putting the lower fairings on much easier, but I have laid on the concrete before so I can do that again. I really like to do the brakes with the fairings off to avoid any chance of paint damage.
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It’s alive again!

And makes the same sounds it has always made so that is a good thing. It had be worried for a short time. I have never had the fuel lines completely drained before, inside the tank and out and it took a lot longer to fire than I was expecting. I cranked it probably 8-10 seconds with absolutely nothing. I had heard the fuel pump do its initial prime so I knew that was plugged in and I have the plug labeled so I knew it was the right plug. After checking for fuel leaks and such, I tried it again. Another 8-10 seconds and nothing. I then checked again for things like the kill switch and so forth and everything looked OK. I decided to give it one more try and then take a break and start reading the manual and deciding what to investigate first. Hit the key on the third try and it fired up almost immediately and settled into a pretty good idle.

I took this video and let it idle for probably a couple of minutes until I saw the temp gauge begin to budge. I then decided to rev it a little and as soon as I opened the throttle it died. I cranked another 6 or so seconds before it finally fired again. I am guessing maybe it still had an air bubble that got sucked into the injectors, but not really sure. However, after this time it took throttle fine and I let it idle to make sure the fans were working and to start purging any last air from the cooling system.


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The valve train sounds pretty normal after my valve adjustment and so far I see no leaks. Then again, this video was taken after only a few minutes of idling so I will check things over again after it cools down from its first “till the fans come one twice” warm up.


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My LT took a leak once it got hot enough to kick on the fans.

I made the mistake of filling the overflow tank before I filled the radiators. I had enough coolant run down the hose during my slow topping off process (massaging the upper hose to get the last air out of the pocket formed by the U in the hose) to get the tank about 3/4” above the full line. And, as usual, BMW has engineering things to the nth degree so apparently when the tank is at full when cold, it will be exactly at the top of the filler neck when the engine is hot. And if you are a little over full, it will piss out the cap.

I only lost a little coolant so I just soaked it up with paper towels and waited until it stopped. I suspect now it will be precisely at the full line once it fully cools. BMW would have it no other way.


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