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post #1 of 123 Old Dec 18th, 2018, 11:29 pm Thread Starter
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Hi everyone, I did introduce myself as always in the forums....
Been riding bikes since I was 13, now 52, currently a 2013 Kawasaki Concours 1400 but been lurking in here (BMW) for a while...
With the advise that I have been reading from you talented guys, with that in mind, went to look at a 97 RT1100 locally, 1st impression was he painted the whole plastics through a Mcdonalds straw at 50lbs!!! 47K and had no clue about greasing the shaft thingy, had no service history and tapping valves, ($2200) I decided that not for me...
Been searching, and searching,,,,, found one, heading to Illinois Friday to buy .....
05 K1200LT, 9K, immaculate , (dealer sent me loads of pics) GPS, the usual...

With that said, its an 05, do I need to be concerned with fuel lines, brake lines, or anything else of concern?

I own my own motorcycle repair business, so I'm very knowledgeable with Jap stuff, this will be my 1st BMW,

Looking fwd to many miles and reading on here..
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Welcome, and oh yes, you are aware. do some readings on here about new bike purchases (new to you). Your 05 is old and needs some tlc. Don't pay too much.

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Welcome, and oh yes, you are aware. do some readings on here about new bike purchases (new to you). Your 05 is old and needs some tlc. Don't pay too much.
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Sounds like you found a great bike at a good price. Have fun with it.
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Welcome to the LT!! I have truly enjoyed mine for several years and THOUSANDS of mile. Let me suggest taking a look at this video which describes things to look for and be aware of concerning the LT. Miles of smiles to you.
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Merry Christmas! Looks great. You don't mention mileage. OEM brake lines go around 60k (at least on the gen 1, pre-2005 models, it seems). SS braided replacements are a good idea. With luck and care, you may not have anything serious to work on for a while. Be mindful of the top case latch, which is made of pot metal and not strong enough to withstand the force of heavy pressure latching the lid. Get used to pressing down on lid w/ one hand before pushing on the latch. The one time you forget & your jacket sleeve is caught in the edge of the lid, you'll brake the corners of the latch. Lots of complex electronic goodies to get used to on the reverse, the center stand, the ABS brake testing. All well described on the forums here. Once you get used to the beast, I imagine you will love it like so many here. It's a thing of beauty. Hope you have some good riding weather.
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9006 miles, 2005, Doctor owned, bought from the same dealer that sold it to me.
Unbelievable price, well worth the 750 miles trip up here.

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9006 miles, 2005, Doctor owned, bought from the same dealer that sold it to me.
Unbelievable price, well worth the 750 miles trip up here.
The only worrisome part is only 9,000 miles in 14 years. Sounds like it has sat for long periods of time. Hopefully, the fuel system isnít gummed up or the fuel pump corroded from E10. Since you have experience with Jap bikes, you will have no problem with the LT. It is just a machine, but does have some quirks that you will learn about as you explore here.

I would consider stripping most all of the fairings off and going over everything and, if they havenít been done recently, I would replace all rubber parts (coolant hoses, fuel injection hoses, especially those inside the tank, brake lines, crankcase ventilation hose and manifold, etc.). Obviously, change all fluids, but the ABS brake fluid and clutch fluid in particular. Then check to see if the quick disconnects on the gas tank have been replaced with all metal parts and be careful with the trunk latch as was already mentioned. I was lucky to get one of Evanís last FIBIB kits and am glad to have that. Mine never gave trouble during the first 9 years, but I smoothed the latches, kept them greased and was always cautious when latching.

I would also check for any oil under the bell housing or on the EHCS. That indicates potential clutch issues. You can also do a few 5th gear full throttle roll-ons to check for clutch slippage.

Then go out and enjoy it!
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Couldn't test ride bike up in Illinois, too cold.. 31* temp, back home 65*, only fault after 20 mins, front end shakes, investigation found bent front rim..
Dealer closed today.... I went ahead and bought another used rim...
So far, everything else is good..

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Yall referring to these?
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Yall referring to these?
Yep. If they are plastic, they should be replaced with metal. I believe BBY sells metal versions of the same design. I personally like the Jiffy-Tite style, but I am not sure they are readily available.

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Holy crap, you guys weren't kidding when you told me about all the parts... geeeez. Ain't like a jap bike... I also raised the handlebars 2 inches higher... that was a challenge....
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Looks like you are jumping right in. Have fun looking around in there. With the amount of tupperware you have removed, there are several services you could perform or inspect.

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Holy crap, you guys weren't kidding when you told me about all the parts... geeeez. Ain't like a jap bike... I also raised the handlebars 2 inches higher... that was a challenge....
Now you just need to replace that old Garmin with a Nav V or Nav VI. I know the 5 is plug and play if you have a VOICE II intercom, but I am not sure about the 6 nor about other than then VOICE II. Moving from 3 to 5 two years ago was one of the best recent upgrades I have done.
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I also raised the handlebars 2 inches higher... that was a challenge....
I too found the stock position a little too low for my tastes and moved them.
Be careful how far you raise them as the covers won't fit properly if you go too much.

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Spark plugs look like new, but still changing them.
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Now you have a place to install an on-board air compressor. I put a Thomas unit in there.
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So far no hick ups, Ordered Oil filter, air filter, fuel lines and metal fuel connectors and the champagne glass looking tube (brakes) from Beemer Boneyard.
Ordered the Spiegler brake lines through them direct.
Done the Canister removal.
Will proceed to the drill weep hole next week (watched the awesome video on here)
So far, enjoying myself with this huge monster, I must say, I do like the look of the bike with no back box, looks sleek.
I couldn't imagine the cost of this at the dealers, Oh! do I also remove the wire connection from the air box on this model (05) I forgotten right now.

Thanks guys.

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Welcome Phil,

I am relatively new myself. I bought an 05 LT in June and have enjoyed her so far. Mine had only 6K on her. Since June I have added 3K to make it 9K. You have done your due diligence with the Northern Illinois YouTube videos I gather. I plan to do the Speigler Lines this winter. I changed all of my fluids. The fluid in the front brake reservoir looked like coffee. When you install the lines an extra hand will help with the bleeding at the servo. My brother suggested speed bleeders. That might not be a bad idea. Ask KJ/ YouTube. He is the man! While you have her dress up I suggest moving the top case back to give your passenger more room. And the radio, it is junk! There is a guy in Florida that repairs them and he stands behind his work. So far mine is the only one that has failed after repair and he is repairing again for free! His handle on here is ChrisChen? If you search speakers or radio it will come up.

Welcome Aboard and Safe travels!

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Oh! do I also remove the wire connection from the air box on this model (05) I forgotten right now.

Thanks guys.
In the 14 years I have had mine I never had the need to touch the air box sensor. No issues with hot performance. That was a dangerous thing if coupled with the brown wire cut on the older models as it would lead to serious detonation.
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Danny boy, thank you so much for your reply.. I think I've watched all the Illinois videos on our LT,s.
Radio issues? Not had it long enough to notice, they need new speakers or something, I'll be listening to CD,s, Def leppard, Black sabbath, Tangerine Dream, (some people going HUH!) LOL.

So far enjoying stripping this humongos bike, waiting on parts, I've given myself 3 months, hopefully March weather here in Louisiana will be upper 60s and go ride.

Thanks all who replied, and I'll plug the air box back in then (wires)

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Phil,

As far as the brown wire mod goes, watch the YT video about the performance chip mod. I ordered mine from John Gemi. It takes a long time for him to send it. Hook up with him on FB and send him an email. That is the procedure. He will send you a paypal request. Mine was sent and got lost. John assures he will send another. It is supposed to improve the low end performance and smooth out the idle in high temperatures... like in Texas or in Louisiana. It's about $100 as I recall. I hope mine arrives while I have the Tupperware off, all I have to do is remove the gas tank to access the computer. Which is where you are right now.

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Phil, What was the weep hole video titled? I have not done that as yet and now would be a good time.

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Phil, What was the weep hole video titled? I have not done that as yet and now would be a good time.
Here's John's:
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Thats the one,
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Rather than starting a new thread, where is everyone buying their coolant hoses from? I see someone on here bought those pretty blue ones, but sorry, I flat refuse to buy chinese, ive seen some of their junk.
I,m guesssing OEM a second mortgage! !!! Lol, thx,
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Rather than starting a new thread, where is everyone buying their coolant hoses from? I see someone on here bought those pretty blue ones, but sorry, I flat refuse to buy chinese, ive seen some of their junk.
I,m guesssing OEM a second mortgage! !!! Lol, thx,
All of the silicone ones are made in China. Much Chinese stuff is junk, but not all. BMW has been making engines in China since 2004...

If you buy OEM, be prepared to pay over $250.

I am still awaiting arrival of my Chinese hoses. I only ordered them after Gordon had good things to say about his set. I will blame him if mine fail.
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All of the silicone ones are made in China. Much Chinese stuff is junk, but not all. BMW has been making engines in China since 2004...

If you buy OEM, be prepared to pay over $250.

I am still awaiting arrival of my Chinese hoses. I only ordered them after Gordon had good things to say about his set. I will blame him if mine fail.
I still have my 18 year old OEM ones but the new ones seem to be holding up fine with no leaks. 10 years down the road may be another story but for now, still happy with the purchase.
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Hey Phil, where in Louisiana are you located? Iím another K1200Lt owner residing in the Lafayette area in the heart of Cajun country. You donít see a lot of us around.

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I still have my 18 year old OEM ones but the new ones seem to be holding up fine with no leaks. 10 years down the road may be another story but for now, still happy with the purchase.
I'm thinking along the same lines, my bike is 14 years old, with only 9100 miles. my luck they'll blow on a long trip!!! lol.

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Hey Phil, where in Louisiana are you located? Iím another K1200Lt owner residing in the Lafayette area in the heart of Cajun country. You donít see a lot of us around.

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Now you just need to replace that old Garmin with a Nav V or Nav VI. I know the 5 is plug and play if you have a VOICE II intercom, but I am not sure about the 6 nor about other than then VOICE II. Moving from 3 to 5 two years ago was one of the best recent upgrades I have done.
Yeah, your 100% right, the one I own is too old to update, I even bought another brand new Garmin (same model) ebay.... $13.... lol, still too old to update..
I guess this will be last on my list of parts needed...

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Great looking bike! I ride a 2004 R1150RT and I'd take it anywhere. These bikes are solid, if cared for properly. Enjoy yours!
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Very simple question, no, I'm not trying to start a OIL DEBATE. Jeez no..
Can, I use this oil? (Picture)
I just went to local BMW dealer who wanted $17 a at for BMW oil, 20/50 which is ridiculous..
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$17 a qt.. sorry

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Very simple question, no, I'm not trying to start a OIL DEBATE. Jeez no..
Can, I use this oil? (Picture)
I just went to local BMW dealer who wanted $17 a at for BMW oil, 20/50 which is ridiculous..
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Yes sir, that oil is good; in fact almost any oil for cars or bikes is good according to Kirk Johnson. This bike basically has an automotive style engine anyway. Does not have a wet clutch, so bike specific oil is not required. I would use that Yamalube 20w-50 in a heartbeat. My bike has had Valvoline in it for past 4 years. Enjoy her ---- she's a sport bike at heart, too. Ride safe
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Yes sir, that oil is good; in fact almost any oil for cars or bikes is good according to Kirk Johnson. This bike basically has an automotive style engine anyway. Does not have a wet clutch, so bike specific oil is not required. I would use that Yamalube 20w-50 in a heartbeat. My bike has had Valvoline in it for past 4 years. Enjoy her ---- she's a sport bike at heart, too. Ride safe
That isnít true. Oil for modern cars is bad news for a high RPM solid lifter engine like the K1200. You need an oil either for old cars from the 60s and 70s or a bike specific oil with high ZDDP levels. Many modern auto oils do not pass muster. I canít speak for the Yamaha oil as I canít remember if SJ is acceptable for the LT. Probably is being a bike oil, but need to check the owners manual.

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BMW list as follows:

Proprietary HD oil, API classification SF, SG or SH; suffix letters
CD or CE are allowable; alternatively, proprietary HD oil of CCMC
classification G4 or G5; suffix PD2 is allowable.

Looks like SJ is not there BUT having said that SJ may not have been around when they wrote the spec for the LT and SJ may contain those other specifications. (Even Mobil 1 does not meet those specs and tons of people have used it).

But if you look up the MSDS and see how much ZINC ALKYLDITHIOPHOSPHATE and ZINC DITHIOPHOSPHATE it has you could be OK.
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That isnít true. Oil for modern cars is bad news for a high RPM solid lifter engine like the K1200. You need an oil either for old cars from the 60s and 70s or a bike specific oil with high ZDDP levels. Many modern auto oils do not pass muster. I canít speak for the Yamaha oil as I canít remember if SJ is acceptable for the LT. Probably is being a bike oil, but need to check the owners manual.
My '99 calls for any of these : HD name brand API SF, SG, SH or suffix CD, CE, PD2, or CCMC G4 or G5 ....... not sure about the newer K bikes. I am using Valvoline 20w-50 synthetic "4T" SF,SG, SJ The BMW receipts from previous owner show using bulk oil; so I asked the service tech there what type oil is it ? He said "bulk" & could not explain any diffs betweens bikes. So, the BMW certified tech will install same oil in any year K1200. My reference to Kirk Johnson video shows him using a plethora of diff brands & weights. So... what's best ? what's true ? What's opinion ? Some on this forum swear by using Diesel rated oil. There was a post on a diff forum of K1200LT owner who had used nothing but Mobil 1 for over 150k miles. I believe Mobil 1 is rated for modern engines. My dad would only use Amsoil in his Brit bikes -- go figure. Since my bike needs "HD" then I'm wondering is that Heavy Duty, High Detergent, or Harley Davidson
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Sorry guys, I tried not to get a oil debate going, my apologies...

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Proprietary HD oil, API classification SF, SG or SH; suffix letters
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classification G4 or G5; suffix PD2 is allowable.

Looks like SJ is not there BUT having said that SJ may not have been around when they wrote the spec for the LT and SJ may contain those other specifications. (Even Mobil 1 does not meet those specs and tons of people have used it).

But if you look up the MSDS and see how much ZINC ALKYLDITHIOPHOSPHATE and ZINC DITHIOPHOSPHATE it has you could be OK.
The limits on ZDDP came into effect with SH, so SJ was even further limited. Given the mid 90s design date for the LT engine, I would be hesitant to use SJ or later oil unless I could confirm ZDDP level.

Note the warnings below for older engines.
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My '99 calls for any of these : HD name brand API SF, SG, SH or suffix CD, CE, PD2, or CCMC G4 or G5 ....... not sure about the newer K bikes. I am using Valvoline 20w-50 synthetic "4T" SF,SG, SJ The BMW receipts from previous owner show using bulk oil; so I asked the service tech there what type oil is it ? He said "bulk" & could not explain any diffs betweens bikes. So, the BMW certified tech will install same oil in any year K1200. My reference to Kirk Johnson video shows him using a plethora of diff brands & weights. So... what's best ? what's true ? What's opinion ? Some on this forum swear by using Diesel rated oil. There was a post on a diff forum of K1200LT owner who had used nothing but Mobil 1 for over 150k miles. I believe Mobil 1 is rated for modern engines. My dad would only use Amsoil in his Brit bikes -- go figure. Since my bike needs "HD" then I'm wondering is that Heavy Duty, High Detergent, or Harley Davidson
You can believe who you wish to believe. I believe the API and the BMW engineers. SJ oil is not in the list and has reduced zinc levels. Any research at all will give you lots of detail on that. SJ oil was available long before BMW quit making LTs (SJ came out in 2001), but BMW never listed in as acceptable, at least not up through my 2007 manual. I canít speak for 2008 and 2009, but I doubt they included it there either. There is a reason for this.

Will using newer oils with low ZDDP cause instant engine death? Probably not, as the ZDDP is mainly needed during break-in of parts when the chance for metal to metal contact is much higher. So, you say, well my engine has 70,000 miles and is well broken in so I have nothing to fear, right? Well, that depends. Have you ever put a new bucket in your engine during a valve adjustment? If you do, you now have a newly machined part that needs break-in...
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My '99 calls for any of these : HD name brand API SF, SG, SH or suffix CD, CE, PD2, or CCMC G4 or G5 ....... not sure about the newer K bikes. I am using Valvoline 20w-50 synthetic "4T" SF,SG, SJ The BMW receipts from previous owner show using bulk oil; so I asked the service tech there what type oil is it ? He said "bulk" & could not explain any diffs betweens bikes. So, the BMW certified tech will install same oil in any year K1200. My reference to Kirk Johnson video shows him using a plethora of diff brands & weights. So... what's best ? what's true ? What's opinion ? Some on this forum swear by using Diesel rated oil. There was a post on a diff forum of K1200LT owner who had used nothing but Mobil 1 for over 150k miles. I believe Mobil 1 is rated for modern engines. My dad would only use Amsoil in his Brit bikes -- go figure. Since my bike needs "HD" then I'm wondering is that Heavy Duty, High Detergent, or Harley Davidson
Mobil 1 15W50 still has high ZDDP levels and that is one reason why you donít see any modern car that calls for 15W50 oil. They all call for 30W or less as all of these oils have restrictive diet ZDDP levels and have had those restrictions since 2001 with ever less ZDDP as the years and grades marched on. They get away with this as they have roller tappets. Much different than the sliding contact in an LT cam/bucket combination.
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