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post #1 of 33 Old Oct 28th, 2018, 2:03 pm Thread Starter
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Committed for a few more years...

Well, I pulled the trigger today and sent in my RDL order. After the $830 from the insurance company for my bear claw damaged stock seat, the Russell will only cost me about $500 out of pocket.

I really wanted to trade up to something new this summer, but after riding pretty much every viable candidate (Yamaha Venture Transcontinental, Honda Gold Wing Tour DCT, BMW K1600GTL and BMW K1600 GA), the old LT still acquits herself very well. The Grand America came closest to unseating the LT, but still falls short on comfort, particularly for my wife. I am sure we could have addressed most of that with an RDL seat and larger windshield, but the trade-in difference was $21,000 and add another $1,500 or so for the new seat and windshield and probably Aeroflow shields and the GA simply wasn't even close to $23,000 better than my LT. Newer and more powerful, but I am not that much of a power junky and I am also not a slave to newer.

If the LT lasts another year or two, it will have made the RDL investment more than worthwhile and if it lasts more than two years, that is icing on the cake. And if a truly better bike for me comes along, I won't feel too bad "pulling a CharlieVT" and giving away my LT if need be.

I am just hoping and praying that the ABS doesn't crap the bed this year or something equally expensive.
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I am just hoping and praying that the ABS doesn't crap the bed this year or something equally expensive.
You may have very well sealed your fate by mentioning this.
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The other thing about the LT is it's still one of the best looking bikes on the road. Every time I take mine out someone will comment on it.
I took it out the other day and stopped in for fuel. When I went in to pay the attendant said hey I love your bike. Then he said can I hold your helmet while you pay. After that I went to the pub to get beer and parked it in the drive through, again flattering comments. This bike always puts a smile on my face. How do you replace that without good reason.
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‘ How do you replace that without good reason.’

Bad left knee (old motorcycle accident), and fading ‘oldtimer’ strength ! Mine (2003) was just too much of an effort to get around on, especially local around town trips. I only put around 1700-1900 miles on it in two years ! I had a 2000 model before I left TX in 2013, it had around 42k on it when I sold it.

Things change for some of us over time..

Now, my new 16 RT (Nov 2016 purchase) just right for me. Already got over 8k on it..😋
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I really did like the LT but with the wife always riding with me .The GL 1800 was easier to handle with her on it.
No one will probably believe me but I put 90,000 miles on my LT in 5 years and never dropped it

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You may have very well sealed your fate by mentioning this.
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The other thing about the LT is it's still one of the best looking bikes on the road. Every time I take mine out someone will comment on it.
I took it out the other day and stopped in for fuel. When I went in to pay the attendant said hey I love your bike. Then he said can I hold your helmet while you pay. After that I went to the pub to get beer and parked it in the drive through, again flattering comments. This bike always puts a smile on my face. How do you replace that without good reason.
I agree. I do have a few good reasons though:
1. Final Drive failure at 27,000 miles
2. U-hose failure at 52,000 miles that almost left me stranded
3. Transmission seals (yes, all three rotating shaft seals) failed and took out the clutch.
4. And a $3,000 ABS unit known to be failure prone

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‘ How do you replace that without good reason.’

Bad left knee (old motorcycle accident), and fading ‘oldtimer’ strength ! Mine (2003) was just too much of an effort to get around on, especially local around town trips. I only put around 1700-1900 miles on it in two years ! I had a 2000 model before I left TX in 2013, it had around 42k on it when I sold it.

Things change for some of us over time..

Now, my new 16 RT (Nov 2016 purchase) just right for me. Already got over 8k on it..😋
That is a reason that most of us will face some day ... if we are lucky! As my grandfather used to say, “Old age isn’t fun, but compared to the alternative...”

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I really did like the LT but with the wife always riding with me .The GL 1800 was easier to handle with her on it.
No one will probably believe me but I put 90,000 miles on my LT in 5 years and never dropped it
I believe you. I have 11 years and 74,000 miles drop-free thus far. Will I make 90,000? Who knows??
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I really did like the LT but with the wife always riding with me .The GL 1800 was easier to handle with her on it.
No one will probably believe me but I put 90,000 miles on my LT in 5 years and never dropped it
I've had mine 7 years now. Was drop free till a fresh sealed asphalt hotel lot after a rain in Pigeon Forge 2 years ago put an end to that. Foot slipped,that was it.
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I have $5K total in my 2004 LT and got it with 6,000 miles on it. It has 11K miles now and if it only lasted me to 30K miles and I pushed it off a cliff, it would still be worth it. It is everything I need in a long distance bike. If repairs are needed, I am still way ahead of the game. A GTL will depreciate $5K 30 feet out of the dealer parking lot, so I don't even bother looking. I don't need the extra power, and I certainly don't need the extra 28K purchase price! Keep riding that LT!

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I have been riding a motorcycle for 54 years. I have been married 50 years. I know what I like and the LT is one of them. No divorce here. Just takes maintenance and money to keep her going (the LT, not my wife). The LT will be an all time classic like my 1966 BMW r50/2. Those of you who have learned to appreciate the LT know what I mean, nothing more to be said.

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Wait, what's this about your bike getting attacked by a bear? Did you post up about this?

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Wait, what's this about your bike getting attacked by a bear? Did you post up about this?
Yes, I posted it somewhere back in late July/early August. I had ridden it to a state park where my family was camping while I took the Total Control instructor course and a curious black bear poked 4 holes in the passenger seat and slide his paw down the side case putting mud on it. Same on the back fender. I saw no damage to either, but the insurance adjuster said it looked like a small scratch on the side case chrome trim was from the bears claw. Personally, I can’t say it was or wasn’t as the scratch was small and may well have been there, but the adjuster included the chrome strip (all $200+ of it) in the claim.

I had been considering an RDL anyway and this incident made the decision pretty easy. Rather than put $400 into a stock rear seat, I figured I’d take the $800 as a good down payment on the RDL.

I sent my order in on Sunday, but have yet to get any response from Russell. Hopefully, sometime this week I will at least hear that they received my order and maybe even get a build date.

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Boy, you must have ticked every option box, unless I'm wildly misreading RDL pricing.

You'll post a pic when done, no?

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Boy, you must have ticked every option box, unless I'm wildly misreading RDL pricing.

You'll post a pic when done, no?
A big chunk is the RDL backrest and storage pouch. My wife really hates that she has no accessible storage on the LT as she had on our Voyager XII. I thought the punch might help a little.
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I've always wanted an RDL, just too damn cheap to buy one. I met a guy last year in Walden CO who was on an R1150RT, my buddy and I were on our DL650's doing lots of gravel roads and off the beaten path camping. Anyway, this guy left his house in Tampa, FL the day before did 16 hrs on the bike and 1000 miles. Woke up that day and did the same thing again when we met him. Said the seat made it easy. From that moment I was sold.

I just got my KLT a few months ago and have really been enjoying it. Best bike, easily, I've ever ridden. It's that darker blue with grey seats/knee boards, quite a looker actually. So I decided to cast a wide net and used SearchTempest to search Craigslist, everywhere, for "Daylong seat bmw". Lo and behold a guy in Lakeland FL had a grey one for a KLT. What are the odds. He wasn't crazy about shipping it, but I basically begged him and he finally agreed. Arrived at my house $234 later. It's not new, but it's in fantastic shape, and it's awesome.
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You’re going to love the RDL saddle. I have been hooked on them since my first Meyer Day Long saddle in 1983! I still have that saddle on an R100T. Since then I have purchased 8 RDL saddles. The only drawback is if you go to sell the bike. Ignorant potential buyers think the RDL is ugly. If they had spent a 500 mile day on the stock seat and then on the RDL that would change their tune.
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What could possibly be in a box this big from Californ-I-A?
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That is all we get?
Well, I was headed out and didn’t get to open it until later. Looks pretty good. A couple of minor niggles in the workmanship, but nothing terrible and a few puckers that I think will disappear once used and broken in. The Sunbrella fabric looks and feels good. The only concern I have, which I had before I ordered, was the thickness of the backrest. I am afraid it may impinge too much on Linda’s seating space even though I have had the trunk in the rear position since the bike was new. We will see. I may only be able to upset he backrest for solo use which is a shame as Linda was really looking forward to having that storage pouch since the LT has zero passenger accessible storage. My Voyager XII had three cubbies she could use and going to none on the LT has always been a sore spot.

I forgot to take pictures before I put in back in the bags for storage, but if I can ever shake this cold/sinus infection, I hope to get to work on the bike and get some installed pictures before spring.

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Well, I was headed out and didn’t get to open it until later. Looks pretty good. A couple of minor niggles in the workmanship, but nothing terrible and a few puckers that I think will disappear once used and broken in. The Sunbrella fabric looks and feels good. The only concern I have, which I had before I ordered, was the thickness of the backrest. I am afraid it may impinge too much on Linda’s seating space even though I have had the trunk in the rear position since the bike was new. We will see. I may only be able to upset he backrest for solo use which is a shame as Linda was really looking forward to having that storage pouch since the LT has zero passenger accessible storage. My Voyager XII had three cubbies she could use and going to none on the LT has always been a sore spot.

I forgot to take pictures before I put in back in the bags for storage, but if I can ever shake this cold/sinus infection, I hope to get to work on the bike and get some installed pictures before spring.
I have seen people who have moved the top case back another inch and drilled new holes. I am considering this myself. That would give Linda a little more space.

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I have seen people who have moved the top case back another inch and drilled new holes. I am considering this myself. That would give Linda a little more space.
I have seen a few pictures of that, but it looked ugly to me. Started to remind me of a K1600 GTL.
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My LT came with a heated RDL, inc'g the backrest. Presently, I run the backrest only when riding single. Note: I, also, only fit the top box when riding double(rear holes too).
This does give Isabelle the most spacious accommodations when she's along for the ride.

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I have seen a few pictures of that, but it looked ugly to me. Started to remind me of a K1600 GTL.
So this is "ugly"?

Worked well for us.
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So this is "ugly"?

Worked well for us.
To my eye. I just don’t like the overhang of the top case. I don’t even like the amount of overhang of mine in the stock rear position. BMW should have designed the trunk to be farther back at the getgo and designed its lines accordingly. I may have to move mine farther back to accommodate the backrest, but I will hate it every time I walk up to the bike from the side.
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Glad you made up your mind. Maybe you will stop antagonizing the poor guys on the K1600 forum
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Glad you made up your mind. Maybe you will stop antagonizing the poor guys on the K1600 forum
I hvaen’t posted on that forum in I can’t remember when. Yes, it did have more snowflakes than the LT forum, but not nearly as many as the Wing forums. I can see why those folks carry Teddy bears.

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I have seen people who have moved the top case back another inch and drilled new holes. I am considering this myself. That would give Linda a little more space.
Mine had two sets of holes aready. More rear just didn't look right (IMO).
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Mine had two sets of holes aready. More rear just didn't look right (IMO).
For those of you who think it looks ugly having it that far back, ( second or new third hole) must not care all that much about your pillion's comfort. Tongue in cheek statement there.

I am gonna put it where ever is best for her regardless of how it looks. I think the bike still looks great regardless of the top case position.

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For those of you who think it looks ugly having it that far back, ( second or new third hole) must not care all that much about your pillion's comfort. Tongue in cheek statement there.

I am gonna put it where ever is best for her regardless of how it looks. I think the bike still looks great regardless of the top case position.
So true, my only pillion rider is a big duffle bag or a cooler.

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Didn't see this post till today. WOW!! A bear. Well. Just goes to show even the wildlife love an LT.

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Mine had two sets of holes aready. More rear just didn't look right (IMO).
Yes, two sets of holes come from the factory. I am pretty sure that Gordon is talking about making a bracket like John did to more the top case another increment farther back. Effectively a third mounting location. It certainly accomplishes the objective of giving the passenger a lot more room. I am just not yet sure I want to do that, but it is good to know it has been done and how to do it.

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