Hypothetical Rant - BMW Luxury Touring Community
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 12 Old Dec 23rd, 2006, 7:07 am Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
DanDiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Tampa, FL, USA
Posts: 4,835
Hypothetical Rant

It bothers me that the members of this site can pictorially put together great information, along with easy to understand written instructions, on how to do routine and not so route service and enhancement tasks on the K1200LT and yet the manufactures, who should be able to do much better, DON'T.

Guess they like jargon and don't want us to touch "their" bike. Oh well, enough of my rant.

Hope everyone has a great holiday and a safe and healthy New Year. Thanks for all of the previous help.

Dano
Tampa, Fl.

12 K1600 GTL
02 K1200 LT (gone but not forgotten)
DanDiver is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 Old Dec 23rd, 2006, 7:17 am
Senior Member
 
cccpastorjack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cornelius, North Carolina, USA
Posts: 1,986
Total Agreement Here!

Dano,

I agree...the BMW factory manual is one of the worst manuals I have ever seen. Very few clear pictures...vague instructions at times (i.e. - "remove Transmission").

Thank you to all the people on this site who make up for the deficiencies! It takes a lot of "know how" from the folks on this site to be able to service this bike correctly and not spend a fortune doing so!

Merry Christmas!!!!!

Jack Homesley
Cornelius, NC USA
'06 Goldwing - "The Black Pearl"
Too many others to list...


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cccpastorjack is offline  
post #3 of 12 Old Dec 23rd, 2006, 8:10 am
Senior Member
 
dshealey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Dandridge (Near Knoxville), TN, USA
Posts: 12,165
Quote:
Originally Posted by cccpastorjack
Dano,

I agree...the BMW factory manual is one of the worst manuals I have ever seen. Very few clear pictures...vague instructions at times (i.e. - "remove Transmission").

Thank you to all the people on this site who make up for the deficiencies! It takes a lot of "know how" from the folks on this site to be able to service this bike correctly and not spend a fortune doing so!

Merry Christmas!!!!!
Actually, I think the BMW service manual for the LT is pretty darn good. I have seen much worse! The service area on removing the transmission is more than just "Remove the Transmission", and was plenty for me do do the work.

Try to work on a BMW car! There is precious little service information available for them at all. BMW has almost nothing available, and dealers sell Bentley manuals, for the models that have one printed. On my 525i, the automatic transmission has information for changing the fluid. The repair section is basically "Replace the Transmission"!

My 2001 740iL has NOTHING available for it other than the BMW TIS CD, which they do not sell to the public. Even that information is pretty sparse. As much as I hate buying copies of things like this on eBay, the only way to get the little information available is to do so.

The BMW service manual for the LT is an absolute wealth of information in comparison.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...I want to achieve it through not dying.

David Shealey
Dandridge, TN
EX: '01 Black LT, BAT BYKE (Totaled at 110,000 miles)
IBA SS, BB, BBG, 10/10ths.
No bike now, but maybe in the future.
dshealey is offline  
 
post #4 of 12 Old Dec 23rd, 2006, 9:02 am
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 232
I want to thank all those who have contributed "how too" stuff for this site. I couldn't believe the owners manual didn't have a section on how to change the engine oil at least. Even the manual for my Yamaha Majesty told how to do that.

I'm not much of a mechanic, but I believe I can change my own oil and transmission/rear drive oil at least.
CajunBass is offline  
post #5 of 12 Old Dec 23rd, 2006, 9:10 am
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,905
If I were making the decisions, I don't know just how much I would change. Us guys that are capable seem to 'find a way', and the rest probably should be taking their bikes into the shop. Just remember...the dealers don't want you doing your own work anymore than BMW Motorrad does.
messenger13 is offline  
post #6 of 12 Old Dec 23rd, 2006, 9:45 am
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 232
How about the Cylmer manual? Is that better or at least easier to use than the factory one? I've used them before for outboard motors, and thought they were great, but it seemed to me they were an out and out copy of the Mercury Service manual. (I had one of those a friend gave me also.)
CajunBass is offline  
post #7 of 12 Old Dec 23rd, 2006, 1:12 pm
Lifetime Supporter
 
Patric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Zephyrhills, Florida USA
Posts: 1,440
Wink BMW manual is made for the BMW factory mechanic

Snip ...BMW factory manual is one of the worst manuals I have ever seen. Very few clear pictures...vague instructions at times (i.e. - "remove Transmission ......

Well , a friend of mine , who was the mechanic at a BMW motorcycle dealership told me 20 years ago .

The BMW factory manual is made for the BMW factory mechanic . Some one that has been to there school .They don't put a lot of stuff in there manual that a trained factory mechanic should all ready know . Kind of like school books , they don't put much simple math in a Algebra book .

Anyway , that's the way I understand the how the BMW factory manual is put together . ...Patric ...

Patric Blackman
2002 K1200LT/Hannigan2+2
2010 R1200GSA ...1987 Helix...
AMA Charter Lifemember
37 Year Member of both BMWMOA & BMWRA

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Patric is offline  
post #8 of 12 Old Dec 24th, 2006, 12:18 am
Senior Member
 
BecketMa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posts: 3,522
One day, we'll be able to down load a video on how to change the slave cylinder; how to drill the drain hole.

How to change the rear end might be next?

Hear that Santa?

Bob
BecketMa is offline  
post #9 of 12 Old Dec 24th, 2006, 12:30 am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Savannah, GA, USA
Posts: 1,893
If you think the BMW manual is bad you should take a look at the manuals that Rolls Royce has for their jet engines. They are laid out like they were written by a schitsofrenic manic depressive.
Morley is offline  
post #10 of 12 Old Dec 24th, 2006, 4:10 am
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 461
As stated above, they are written for experienced mechanics. Have you every looked at a Motor Manual, the basic resource for mechanics? The first step in removing a motor is "remove all accessories". Not the kind of instruction I need.
Ghost55 is offline  
post #11 of 12 Old Dec 24th, 2006, 3:58 pm
Senior Member
 
Zotter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Casper, WY, USA
Posts: 1,742
How about writing our own manual? Sure, the BWM LT manual is one of the better BMW manuals, but it's still fairly poor when contrasted with some of the write ups here. We're not all factory trained techs, so some of the 'assumptions' of the BMW manual don't apply.

I was just reading about some educators writing a text book onine - using a Wiki. It'd be trivial to setup a Wiki that'd not only allow all the membership to contribute, but be available to anyone.

No, I wouldn't think it could be a replacement for the HOW and FAQ - those are excellent resources in their own rights. But rather a new, community/user developed service manual. It could have pics, videos, diagrams, text, descriptions limited only by imagination. Someday - if there's concensous - it could even be 'published' as an ISO image or CD so folks could have local copies. But then, maybe I'm getting a bit ahead of it all.

Only 'gotchya' I can think of is we could *NOT* copy BMW's, Clymer's or anyone else's copyrighted material. Specifications would be OK - I think - but it'd have to be totally an original work.

If there's any interest, I'd be game on setting up a wiki just for that (I already host 2 here). Heck, may do it anyway just to see what happens.

Tate

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

02 Mauve - my 'Light Truck'
Wyoming Immigration Officer, Cyberhiway tour guide and
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by Zotter; Dec 24th, 2006 at 4:15 pm.
Zotter is offline  
post #12 of 12 Old Dec 24th, 2006, 6:50 pm
Senior Member
 
deputy5211's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dallas Area, TX, USA
Posts: 4,877
I think that's a great idea. Original photos should not be a problem, and diagrams and such could present an opportunity for some of our members to really let their creativity shine.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Zotter
How about writing our own manual? Sure, the BWM LT manual is one of the better BMW manuals, but it's still fairly poor when contrasted with some of the write ups here. We're not all factory trained techs, so some of the 'assumptions' of the BMW manual don't apply.

I was just reading about some educators writing a text book onine - using a Wiki. It'd be trivial to setup a Wiki that'd not only allow all the membership to contribute, but be available to anyone.

No, I wouldn't think it could be a replacement for the HOW and FAQ - those are excellent resources in their own rights. But rather a new, community/user developed service manual. It could have pics, videos, diagrams, text, descriptions limited only by imagination. Someday - if there's concensous - it could even be 'published' as an ISO image or CD so folks could have local copies. But then, maybe I'm getting a bit ahead of it all.

Only 'gotchya' I can think of is we could *NOT* copy BMW's, Clymer's or anyone else's copyrighted material. Specifications would be OK - I think - but it'd have to be totally an original work.

If there's any interest, I'd be game on setting up a wiki just for that (I already host 2 here). Heck, may do it anyway just to see what happens.

Antony (Tripod)
Dallas' Northern Suburbs
-----------------------------------------------

If you want to be happy for a day, drink.
If you want to be happy for a year, marry.
If you want to be happy for a lifetime, ride a motorcycle.

-----------------------------------------------


'05 K1200LT - Dark Graphite - RIP 04 OCT 2015
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


'99 Road King Classic - Custom Blue/Silver & Chrome - "My Baby" Gone but forever in my heart!

and many, many others.
*

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
deputy5211 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the BMW Luxury Touring Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
TIRE RANT (not too long) SMGray K1200LT 21 Nov 7th, 2006 5:50 pm
What's this . . . dfinazzo GPS 8 Aug 23rd, 2006 1:01 pm
Lane Spliting Gone (Very) Wrong (Rant) ErnieA North West 23 Aug 1st, 2006 9:06 am
Clothing rant rixchard Chit Chat 13 Jun 13th, 2006 8:26 pm
Bay Area motorcyclists in California turn anti-motorcycle rant into positive Nathan Northern California 0 Jan 20th, 2006 5:46 pm

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome