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post #1 of 30 Old Feb 26th, 2018, 10:47 am Thread Starter
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Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

I'm about to physically start my "preseason" maintenance on my '00 LT that I picked up in January.
The 1st task is replacing the rear disc, pads, fd fluid & rear tire(worn out 880).
I've narrowed my choices down to either a 777HD or a BT20.
When the front wears out, I'll probably go with a metzler roadtec 01 up there.
Shortly, I'll be doing the hyperpro suspension springs.
So, I'm polling for opinions on which of these two rear tires is superior for stable
secure handling, including wet grip.
I am not concerned about treadlife, since on the treadlife vs. cost basis, they probably balance out & I typically only ride 4-5k miles/yr.
So, what's the forum experience/opinion on these?

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

I ran 880s for a long time (66 K) but have now run the BT020s on the rear for the last 40 K and like them way better than the 880s as far as wet grip. Have not tried the Shinko on the LT yet but did run them on my GS. Had no issues.

I am swapping out rear drives as I had a 2.82 unit built for me (2.62 is stock) and I got an EBC MD615 rotor along with the EBC FA 304 organic pads for the new drive.
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THX!
I've got the 615 disc & the FA pads to put on too

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

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THX!
I've got the 615 disc & the FA pads to put on too
I have no experience with the 'Stone, so I can't say how they compare, but I sure love the Shinko. It's night asnd day better than the stock Metz.

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

Don't have experience with the 777 but I do like the BT20 on the rear. Had an Avon AM26 on the front and I couldn't get it off the front fast enough. Terrible in the rain. Not sure I would try a 777 on the rear after that but some do like them. Going to stick with the BT20 as long as I can get them.
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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

So what front do you pair with a BT20 rear?

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

I still have a ME880 front but I was going to go to the Michelin PR4 GT next time around. Have them on my K1300GT and love them.

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I am also considering the Avon AV72 Cobra rear. Wing rider's seem to like them. I like them on my Suzuki GS1100GK. They're expensive, but very stable, good in the rain & last a long, long time.
So, I'm as undecided as ever...

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

The wrong rear tire could rub the swingarm if it wasn't made just for the LT. Sometimes even the right tire can rub like this one did.
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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

I have ran thru (2) 777 on the rear. both got around 7K. I like then alright. better grip than the metz888 or 880 (did one of each).
I am now on the BT020-M 160/70B-17 (4100mi). it is the best tire I have run on this bike. I can't see using anything else.

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My thoughts, today, are that I'll get a BT020 for the rear &, when the front goes, I'll get a T31 GT for the front. I really like to stay with at least the same mfr, front & back. We'll see, but I'm pretty set on the BT20 now. Thanks guys.

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

OK you will not mix brands front and rear but you will mix bias ply and radials front an rear???

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Yes, I'd go with the "GT" version of the 31. It's reinforced. I believe the heavy back end of the LT is where you can have the most issues. I think the early front geometry is more stable, at speed, too.
I would never go radial in the back & bias ply up front...

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I put over 150k miles on Metzeler 880s and was always happy with how well the tire held to even wet roads. After my last tire replacement, I started sliding around a lot, and only then noticed I was now running on an 888. The nice thing about the 888 is that it's the first time I ever got 22k miles off a rear tire. A little research shows the changes they made to increase mileage also shortened the contact patch. I would gladly go back to 10-12k miles for a tire that didn't slide. So I'm now trying to decide what to try next...

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I just checked with two local dealers & the Bridgestone USA site. The BT020 is no longer marketed.
So, I need to decide whether or no to buy a no longer produced tire from stock or the Shinko. Or, the Avon Cobra(expensive) or Storm/Spirit(noisy)...
Definitely NOT the 888.

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I am also considering the Avon AV72 Cobra rear.
I like them on my Suzuki GS1100GK.
So, I'm as undecided as ever...
Lets see that ride? I remember drooling over one in my youth

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The Suzuki GS1100GK is up for sale, now that the LT is taking my time. $1400 on So. Jersey CL.
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I just checked with two local dealers & the Bridgestone USA site. The BT020 is no longer marketed.
Not sure which site you went to but this Bridgestone site here still lists them for the K1200LT. I did go to a different site and did not find them. So I guess you just need to hit the right one.

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I just checked with two local dealers & the Bridgestone USA site. The BT020 is no longer marketed.
So, I need to decide whether or no to buy a no longer produced tire from stock or the Shinko. Or, the Avon Cobra(expensive) or Storm/Spirit(noisy)...
Definitely NOT the 888.
The only decision you need to make is what tire you are going to buy now. Mine will be the BT020 for as long as I can find them. Once I can't, I will have to choose another tire. Buying a no longer produced tire should not really be a factor unless it hasn't been produced for more than 5 years where you get into some really older stock. Anything up to 5 years should be just fine as most of us go through them faster than that anyways. I am not one of those who obsesses over the MFG date unless it is really far out.

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I ordered a BT20 two days ago. I'll put it on, shortly, when I replace the rear disc. That'll be my 1st significant work on this bike.
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I finally got to do some work on my LT. We're in the middle of, hopefully, our last nor'easter snowstorm. So, it was a unexpectedly good day to stay home & work in the shop!
I pulled the rear wheel, to get the new BT-020 put on. I also changed the rear disc & pads, as well as the fd lube. I was quite happy to see only a very small amount of steel "dust" on it's drain plug magnet.
So, after i get the wheel back on, I'll be doing my 1st oil change & cleaning the starter clutch up.
So, finally, some progress!

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

I just got a new BT-020 in and it looks like there are two different compounds on the tread. I wonder if you noticed that on yours? You can see the line in these photos highlighted by the red arrows. Would be nice if they did run a harder compound in the center.

On the starter clutch I wouldn't mess with it unless you have experienced it hanging up. I pulled mine out last time I was in that far for a gearbox bearing change and it was spotless at 106 K. But then I have run Mobil 1 since 20 K.
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My starter is hanging up occasionally on cold starts. I saw a Kirk Johnson video on removing the crankcase side & cleaning it up with a carb cleaner type spray inside the crankcase.
So, when I do the engine oil change, next, I'll pull the side cover & spray it. It cannot hurt...!
On the BT020 being a dual compound tire, I've never seen it marketed by Bridgestone as such, but I'll take a good look at mine tomorrow, when I drop it off to be mounted.

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My starter is hanging up occasionally on cold starts. I saw a Kirk Johnson video on removing the crankcase side & cleaning it up with a carb cleaner type spray inside the crankcase.
So, when I do the engine oil change, next, I'll pull the side cover & spray it. It cannot hurt...!
On the BT020 being a dual compound tire, I've never seen it marketed by Bridgestone as such, but I'll take a good look at mine tomorrow, when I drop it off to be mounted.
Dennis Kirk site indicates a dual compound construction.

"Dual Aligned Compound features balanced wear characteristics for higher mileage and cornering grip"

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My starter is hanging up occasionally on cold starts.
At about 200 miles before you change your oil, I would put in a container of CD2 oil detergent. This will help in removing any buildup on the sprag clutch (do a search), which I assume is what is hanging up on your starter.

On a side note, I grew up in the Blackwood/Blenheim area and had a cousin that lived in Sicklerville. The last time I was through there was in the mid-80's. I bet it has changed since then!

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If you do go in there are three holes around the central sleeve that will allow the cleaner to really get inside. You can see one of them here.
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I got the new BT020 mounted & balanced today.
It's pretty obvious, looking at the new tire mounted, that it's a dual compound tire. The last inch or so, on each side, is obviously a different compound than the rest of the tread. You can easily see the circumferential joint on each side.

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Thx jzeiler!
That basically what kirk's video shows too.
I'll be trying it out in about a week or so...
My time has been pretty booked up lately, & that's been very frustrating for me ever since I got this LT home.

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Today, I got the rear wheel back mounted up.
While back there, I "eyeballed" the abs sensor clearance, after installing the ebc disc. It looks "about" a mm! That's way beyond the spec for the abs II LT's. I know the later LT's have a much wider spec. How much of a problem is this?
I also got my 1st opportunity to pull off some of the Tupperware & the crankcase cover to spray down the starter clutch with some carb cleaner. It's been sticking when cold. So, hopefully, this will wash off the crud & free it up.
This forum, also, alerted me to pull the label off of my new Bosch oil filter before filling & installing it.
The next task is the trans oil change.
Some progress, at last!

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Re: Irrelevant of mileage: Shinko 777 vs. BT20?

You measure the clearance at the widest (farthest) point and it cannot exceed 1.5 mm for Integral Brakes and a much tighter tolerance for the older ABS II of 0.45 to 0.55 mm. Guess the ABSII circuit is less forgiving since the sensor, ring and sensor holder are the same for all LTs. The only difference is the electronic circuits. I never knew they were different.

You may not have an issue since it is likely the same as the parts you pulled off, the clearance was the same. I have never had to adjust one as they always come right in to spec since you are re-using your old sensor ring. I have changed out at least a half dozen so far. Never did any on the ABS II though.

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