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post #1 of 22 Old Dec 17th, 2006, 2:11 pm Thread Starter
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I'm a new owner here. I bought an '03 LT two weeks ago. It's a black beauty with all the bells and whistles. It has a new set of Metzeler 880's on it and it makes a growling noise in a turn. It makes me think of a wheel bearing noise. Anyone else experience this in their LT? And, by the way, I love this forum. It's always great to be able to talk to others who love to ride and work on their bikes, too..............
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I'm a new owner here. I bought an '03 LT two weeks ago. It's a black beauty with all the bells and whistles. It has a new set of Metzeler 880's on it and it makes a growling noise in a turn. It makes me think of a wheel bearing noise. Anyone else experience this in their LT? And, by the way, I love this forum. It's always great to be able to talk to others who love to ride and work on their bikes, too..............
Are you sure the tires are BRAND NEW?? We've seen these posts many times and it's almost ALWAYS the tires.

Even a front tire with 1000-2000 miles on it can show signs of cupping or feathering and make quite a bit of noise in the corners. Especially if it was run with low pressure. You should have 42psi front and 48 rear. Even if the tire LOOKS new. Run you hand over the front and see if it feels smooth or not...

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It is probably your tires, all metzellers will do that when you have a few miles on them, just keep the pressure at 42psi front and 48psi rear and you will get many miles out of them, most people get between 10-15k miles before changing out
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It is probably your tires, all metzellers will do that when you have a few miles on them, just keep the pressure at 42psi front and 48psi rear and you will get many miles out of them, most people get between 10-15k miles before changing out
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How new is new. Sounds like tires to me. How many miles on bike and tires?
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Growling in a turn

I have the same situation. Black '03, Metzelers on front and rear. The growling noise is common to the tires. The noise is much reduced when the tire pressure is maintained at 42 and 48 psi. The noise from the front has seemed to lessen a little once I got two or three thousand on it but I believe it will always be a sympton to some degree. This is my second set of Metzelers and their characteristics are pretty much like the first but overall are still alright with me.

I don't believe there is a tire for the LT that makes everyone happy in all categories so pick your poison and let her ride.

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It does that on mine after about 6000 miles on the tire. Growls in the curves. Think Airwolf.

It must be the Black 03 LTs

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post #8 of 22 Old Dec 17th, 2006, 9:01 pm
 
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It's the tires

I ran 45psi front / 50psi rear in my Metzelers. They wore much better, lasted WAY longer, and the growling issue almost disappeared as well. Also, running at these pressure did not compromise performance in the wet or dry either...I guarantee it.
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post #9 of 22 Old Dec 17th, 2006, 9:10 pm
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i always liked the way those metzlers growl in a turn....

im going back to them as soon as the battleaxes ive got now are done

the battleaxes definitely do not make the same noise as the metzlers

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The noise is definitely your ME880's. If there are only a few thousand miles on the tires and they are making that much noise, then they have some uneven wear. If the pressure was to low that is the biggest culprit(under factory pressure).

The manufacture recommends 36.3psi in the front and 42-48psi in the rear, depending on the load. Thats what I run mine at and I get 11k on the rear and 13-14k on the fronts... There is no reason to run 42psi in the front and 50+ in the rear - hit some sand in a corner and you will figure it out...

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Yep! I call it my lane change alert/snooze alarm system.

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nah, the Gold ones do it too. Keep your tire pressure up and check it often. It'll still growel some. It's normal.

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No doubt about it ...IT"S THE TIRES! it won't hurt anything but will steadily increase in volume as the tire wears. No big deal. THe ME 880 is a great tire and known for high mileage. I don't use the Brigestones since my originals cupped real bad on the front. I think it's funny that every time there is a tire thread I read where someone else is advising "increasing" the tire pressure! At first it was 40psi Front-46Rear then 42F-48R and now 45F-50R. Pretty soon someone will get carried away and put so much pressure in the tires that the first time they hit a pothole they'll be sailing over the car in front of them! this would make a great cartoon. Ron
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post #14 of 22 Old Apr 27th, 2007, 12:36 am
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Tyre (Tire) Noise

Sorry for "flogging a dead horse" but I,m off to The South of France in a few weeks time and even after reading through all of the relavent info on Tyre wear and noise I would be grateful for some assurance on my Symptons. My Bike is a 2004 LT (Updated Spec) which I bought second hand from a Dealer with 3700 Miles up. I didn,t notice anything a first but on the last few rides out I have begun to notice the "Growling" in Turns. The noise is accompanied by a distinct buzzing/vibration felt through the Handle Bars. The Bike now has 4500 Miles up and has the Original Metz Me 880 Tyres which I run at 36/42. I don,t think I would be happy running the Front at the suggested 42 psi as Grip and Feedback are my main Priority. I have had a good look at the Front and it looks fine to me with no evidence of the "cupping" as described by others. The Rear has loads of tread depth with only minor flattening off in the Centre. When I first heard (and felt) the Growlind my initial thought was "wheel bearing", however at only 4500 miles this seems unlikely. As the Bike was built in 2004 this means that the Tyres are now at least three years old so even with the low mileage could they be getting past their best ?. I don,t really mind spending the cash changing them if it would cure the Noise but would be disapointed if after a few thousand miles I was "back to square one". Any advice, help, suggestions and assurance will be most appreciated.
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Mike, you've got to go with 42 PSI in the front and 48 PSI in the rear tire.
You will be nicely surprised.

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post #16 of 22 Old Apr 27th, 2007, 9:24 am
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Thanks Gilles and Kathy, I,ll try that and let you know the result.
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I bet it is your tires. I had the exact same thing with metzlers. When you bank into a turn, it sounds like you have snow tires on the bike. Mine got so bad that my rear rotor was sent into some goofy oscillation thing that made me wonder if I was starting to have transmision problems.

I had about 8K miles on the tires... They say metzlers are good for 20K miles. I had all sorts of tread left.

I replaced the tires and all the issues went away.
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Going through the Dragon yesterday about 4x I noticed the growling was there.... I can't say I was real worried...as when I stopped I checked the tires, and they looked great. My rear has pulled the trailer the last 3k miles wonderfully. The front tire looks great....but can't be sure.

I am currently in the Dealership waiting area why they are giving my baby a transfusion in the engine and gear, and putting some new shoes on her. So, I will tell you when I pull out of here if th growling is gone or not.

Tires are not cheap....but they are cheaper than a helicopter flight to the nearest med center.

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post #20 of 22 Old Apr 28th, 2007, 10:14 am
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Just back from a 100 mile Trip with the Me 880,s at 42/48. No difference to the Growling but a big difference to the Ride. On anything other than "Billiards Table" smooth roads which are like Rocking Horse Crap in the U.K these days its like riding on Cobbles and not comfortable at all. What little Front End feedback there was with tyres at 36/42 has disappeared. Sorry Guys but it,s back to 36/42 and a new Front Metz on order.
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i always liked the way those metzlers growl in a turn....

im going back to them as soon as the battleaxes ive got now are done

the battleaxes definitely do not make the same noise as the metzlers

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I'm a new owner here. I bought an '03 LT two weeks ago. It's a black beauty with all the bells and whistles. It has a new set of Metzeler 880's on it and it makes a growling noise in a turn. It makes me think of a wheel bearing noise. Anyone else experience this in their LT? And, by the way, I love this forum. It's always great to be able to talk to others who love to ride and work on their bikes, too..............
After I replaced the stock tires on my 2000 Lt with ME880's I got 10,000 miles out of them but they started that growling in turns. It was the front that was making all the racket, it was cupped pretty good and both the front and back still had plenty of meat on them. I had the back repaired a time or two and figured it was time to replace them, I had run 42 in the front and 48 in the back. I replaced them with Avons radials, which seemed to take forever to break in. It was like riding on a razor blade, the least little bit of lean they wanted to go that away, Now that they are broke in I love them. I know I probably wont get the mileage out of them that I did from the Metzlers, but they are hands down better in the rain, they dont break loose under hard acceleration in turns as I leave from a standstill and the have a road hazard warranty on them, something Metzler doesnt offer. I am still running 42 in the front and 48 in the back. When these wear out I'm going to get another set, they track straight, no noise and there great on grooved roads, just give them time to break in, it took mine about 300 miles before they settled down.
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