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Last week I posted a thread which stated how wonderful the bike is without the topcase. It truly is. I got overconfident and attempted to make a 180 turn on a small 2 lane Georgia mountain road. It was a very narrow road. I pulled in the clutch while in the "friction zone" and sure enough I could not hold it up. I tore my hamstring muscle trying. It was a maneuver I never would have attempted with the topcase and I admit it was all driver error.

What I like about this blog is that everyone is so honest and freely talks about their personal pitfalls. I still love the bike without the topcase for handling and I should have been smarter to practice on a wider road first.
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Billy, sorry to hear about your drop. Hopefully the leg will heal quickly, as I know how painful a torn hammie can be. Of course, the injury to one's pride caused by dropping a bike in public can leave a scar that lasts far longer

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Sorry to hear about the hamstring Billy. Sounds like you have not taken the ERC and played in the 18 foot/24 foot box. The crown of the road is also against you, in the real world, along with slanting road surfaces that scrub off or add speed. I've made good use of reverse over the years, when reversing direction on those narrow back roads in New England. Heal quickly. Barnett

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Last week I posted a thread which stated how wonderful the bike is without the topcase. It truly is. I got overconfident and attempted to make a 180 turn on a small 2 lane Georgia mountain road. It was a very narrow road. I pulled in the clutch while in the "friction zone" and sure enough I could not hold it up. I tore my hamstring muscle trying. It was a maneuver I never would have attempted with the topcase and I admit it was all driver error.

What I like about this blog is that everyone is so honest and freely talks about their personal pitfalls. I still love the bike without the topcase for handling and I should have been smarter to practice on a wider road first.
Ouch, Billy. Doggone it -

Can't (won't) tell ya how many times I've dropped ole Toad, butt being a slow learner, it took me awhile to realize that in a slow or stopped condition, I just let ole Toad keel over easy like and step away. Them torn hamstrings and/or ACLs are no fun, as you know. Sorry about your injury there, Billy. Hope healing goes smoothe and quick. And btw - I agree with ya about the trunk. Soon as I get my hands on a Ft. Worth rack that I'm eyeing, ole Toad is gonna be trunkless.
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Sorry to hear about your hammie.

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Billy,

Sorry to hear about the injury. I tore my hamstring skiing 2 years ago and it didn't get any better for six months. I decided to go to the doctor and ended up at the physical therapist. The physical therapist was absolutely fantastic. She was the one that diagnosed the exact problem and had me back to 100% in 9 weeks. 1 1/2 hours twice a week for 9 weeks. I have had zero problems since then which is great because hamstring problems can linger for a very long time.

I strongly recommend seeing a physical therapist to help you heal more quickly. Before this experience I didn't think a physical therapist could do much to help me heal any faster or better than just waiting to heal on my own. I know better now .

You'll know you have a good PT if your not in and out in 30 minutes.

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Oh wow...when Joe hears about this...

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Last week I posted a thread which stated how wonderful the bike is without the topcase. It truly is. I got overconfident and attempted to make a 180 turn on a small 2 lane Georgia mountain road. It was a very narrow road. I pulled in the clutch while in the "friction zone" and sure enough I could not hold it up. I tore my hamstring muscle trying. It was a maneuver I never would have attempted with the topcase and I admit it was all driver error.

What I like about this blog is that everyone is so honest and freely talks about their personal pitfalls. I still love the bike without the topcase for handling and I should have been smarter to practice on a wider road first.
Billy, I am sorry to hear about the fall. I was just thinking of what JOE said when you made the first post the other day...

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Gone is the fear of dropping it because it doesn't want to go over so easily any more. Low speed maneuvers are a pleasure now. Cornering and handling in general is like an RT with the luxury of an LT.


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If and/or WHEN you drop the beast, you best not post about it in here. Not after saying all that.

But Bill...thanks for the honesty. It may save someone else from being overconfident and getting hurt even worse. God bless...heal quickly!

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Last week I posted a thread which stated how wonderful the bike is without the topcase. It truly is. I got overconfident and attempted to make a 180 turn on a small 2 lane Georgia mountain road. It was a very narrow road. I pulled in the clutch while in the "friction zone" and sure enough I could not hold it up. I tore my hamstring muscle trying. It was a maneuver I never would have attempted with the topcase and I admit it was all driver error.

What I like about this blog is that everyone is so honest and freely talks about their personal pitfalls. I still love the bike without the topcase for handling and I should have been smarter to practice on a wider road first.
Well Take the time while your leg gets better to read and heed some of the advice, from some of these grizzly old vets and high mile youngsters!
I believe several of the posts (including mine) stated learn how to ride the bike. There are less painful ways to learn then the one you have taken Grasshopper!
Get well, and ride.
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could have been worse, you could have had the topcase and a spouse on it, then you'd NEVER stop hearing about it.


Hell, I wrecked in May on an RT and I keep hearing about it from my lesser half who was 1,200 miles away at the time...would prefer the torn hamstring

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Last week I posted a thread which stated how wonderful the bike is without the topcase. It truly is. I got overconfident and attempted to make a 180 turn on a small 2 lane Georgia mountain road. It was a very narrow road. I pulled in the clutch while in the "friction zone" and sure enough I could not hold it up. I tore my hamstring muscle trying. It was a maneuver I never would have attempted with the topcase and I admit it was all driver error.

What I like about this blog is that everyone is so honest and freely talks about their personal pitfalls. I still love the bike without the topcase for handling and I should have been smarter to practice on a wider road first.
Messenger Wrote: If and/or WHEN you drop the beast.

The if was giving you the benefit of doubt but the capital WHEN said it all. He knew like most of us what was to come, don't feel bad, your just one in a very long list. You sure did fess up quick though.

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Last week I posted a thread which stated how wonderful the bike is without the topcase. It truly is. I got overconfident and attempted to make a 180 turn on a small 2 lane Georgia mountain road. It was a very narrow road. I pulled in the clutch while in the "friction zone" and sure enough I could not hold it up. I tore my hamstring muscle trying. It was a maneuver I never would have attempted with the topcase and I admit it was all driver error.

What I like about this blog is that everyone is so honest and freely talks about their personal pitfalls. I still love the bike without the topcase for handling and I should have been smarter to practice on a wider road first.
A painful, slow healing injury, Billy. But, don't sweat it! The first time I rode the LT, I dropped her three times. Then had to pick her up three times--ouch!

Best wishes for a speedy recovery and getting back on her!

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How did you get it back up with the injury? Did you ride it home? I can't imagine trying to lift with a sore leg. On the other hand one of the most embarrassing moments of my life was having to ask for help picking up the bike when it fell over when I slipped on gravel and couldn't get a good footing. I must have looked like a small monkey trying to lift a beached whale!

Heal up quick and see you at CCR! (it's worth it)

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Shoot, I dropped mine the first time I rode it home from the dealer, before I got in the driveway, and ALMOST did it again last night.

Them things is HEAVY!

Glad you're not hurt worse.
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Regaring what Jack said, I felt compelled to not hide in the corner but to admit when I was wrong. Without the topcase the vast majority of the "high up" weight is gone. I was feeling so good about it that copping a 180 on the mountain road semed doable. It still is if done correctly. I never would have tried that with the topcase.

I have learned some valuable lessons from all this. The most valuable lesson is to see that there still exists a good group of guys....you guys....who may joke and make fun of me (which I deserve) but I know are more supportive than anything else.
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Billy, if the top case weighs a hell of a lot, a ride buddy ways far more, and has a higher C of G. I'm 50 yo (just) my ride budy (pillion) is 28 yo - I would rather feel her extra weight behind me (2 up), than riding solo with the boot(trunk(top box))) removed. (could go to gaol for my thoughts )

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Sorry about your injury, Billy. Sounds miserable. Happy you fessed up about getting a bit overconfident with the reduced top weight...might just give someone else pause for concern when attempting a similar maneuver.

Since misery loves company I'll share this....last weekend I dislocated my shoulder when I fell chasing a pheasant I dropped (danged Labrador was off chasing her shadow or something). I shouldn't have been chewing gum at the same time!! 45 miles to the first hospital and they couldn't get it reset; 40ml of morphine, a shot of demerol, and another 150 miles to the next hospital where they got it back in place after they put me under. A night in the hospital and I'm now healing with you in spirit, bro.

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I'm almost 63 and I guess I better start acting like it. I may have been able to hold it up 20 yrs ago but this time it was a slow sink! I was riding with my young 60 year old brother so between the two of us we got it upright.
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I forgot to include again that yes, I certainly did fess up to being overconfident.
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Sorry about your hamstring. I keep the revs up when doing u turns it helps.
Also it doesnt hurt to drag the clutch a little at the same time. I live in FL and every where there are u turns to deal with, they didnt plan well here in FL. Hope you get well soon.

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Oh well. I dropped mine again this morning at the gas station. A car came out from behind a van. He couldn't see me, any more than I could see him I guess. I was turning to the pump, and just tapped the front brake. WRONG. (Which I know better.) BLOOMP. Down she went. Another "Artie Johnson drop." I just stepped off as she went down. Shut the engine off, turned the radio down, grabbed her, and stood her back up. Got on and pulled into the gas pump like "I meant to do that. Yea. That's right. I meant to do it."
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Oh wow...when Joe hears about this...

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Billy, I am sorry to hear about the fall. I was just thinking of what JOE said when you made the first post the other day...

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If and/or WHEN you drop the beast, you best not post about it in here. Not after saying all that.
Don't worry Billy . . . I ain't gonna say it. I ain't sayin' NOTHIN'!!!!!
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I'm sorry Billy. It was almost off the page, and I had to go and bump it back to the top.
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Listen up
You fessed up you were over confident.
You were also lucky
They scrape whats left of over confident people off of roads and inmovable objects all the time..
Don't sweat it, be thankful it wasn't worse.
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Last week I posted a thread which stated how wonderful the bike is without the topcase. It truly is. I got overconfident and attempted to make a 180 turn on a small 2 lane Georgia mountain road. It was a very narrow road. I pulled in the clutch while in the "friction zone" and sure enough I could not hold it up. I tore my hamstring muscle trying. It was a maneuver I never would have attempted with the topcase and I admit it was all driver error.

What I like about this blog is that everyone is so honest and freely talks about their personal pitfalls. I still love the bike without the topcase for handling and I should have been smarter to practice on a wider road first.
I was passed by a silver lt going up 400 the other night, he was pretty much at 100 mph in a 55 9road construction back there) he almost got taken out, i thought I was going to get some spare parts when he changed lanes, he was lucky and he had no idea how close that was. The other driver was just changing lanes.

All said he thinks he knows how to ride and might know how to ride darn good, but came >< close to tragedy. it happens just that quick.

Glad you were not hurt worse. and the LT falls over just >< quickly sometimes when you least expect it

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