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Do This Immediately...REMOVE THE TOPCASE!

This is the best change I have ever made to any bike. I removed the topcase and also only filled the tank with 4 gallons of fuel. This got rid of about 45 lbs. which were high up. It's like I have a different bike. The center of gravity is most definitely lower. Even though I only removed 45 lbs. it feels like I've removed 200lbs. Gone is the fear of dropping it because it doesn't want to go over so easily any more. Low speed maneuvers are a pleasure now. Cornering and handling in general is like an RT with the luxury of an LT.

The topcase is a design flaw of the LT. It should not have such a dramatically negative effect on so many aspects of the machine. If I ever fo have a passenger I will try to get a sissy bar and a lightweight T-Bag instead of ever putting that topcase back on.
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Gone is the fear of dropping it because it doesn't want to go over so easily any more. Low speed maneuvers are a pleasure now. Cornering and handling in general is like an RT with the luxury of an LT.
If and/or WHEN you drop the beast, you best not post about it in here. Not after saying all that.


And a little food for thought. A better thread would be:
Do This Immediately...TRADE YOUR LT FOR A GT!
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I agree. I found a huge difference in handling and performance without the top case. However, and there always seems to be a "however", my significant other and regular pillion put up a huge fuss. "Where is the heated backrest. Where is the luggage space?" I guess you know where the top case is again.
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You are right. I still might certainly drop it at some point. It's just that now my riding is not filled with the expectation of terrible slow speed handling.
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This is the best change I have ever made to any bike. I removed the topcase and also only filled the tank with 4 gallons of fuel. This got rid of about 45 lbs. which were high up. It's like I have a different bike. The center of gravity is most definitely lower. Even though I only removed 45 lbs. it feels like I've removed 200lbs. Gone is the fear of dropping it because it doesn't want to go over so easily any more. Low speed maneuvers are a pleasure now. Cornering and handling in general is like an RT with the luxury of an LT.

The topcase is a design flaw of the LT. It should not have such a dramatically negative effect on so many aspects of the machine. If I ever fo have a passenger I will try to get a sissy bar and a lightweight T-Bag instead of ever putting that topcase back on.
But I need a place to put shoes, laptop case and jackets helmets ect and I don't like back packs. It does make a big difference but I can not afford to give up the cargo space.

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. . . and you might want to see if you can get a D.A. sticker and/or pin, just so you will have it on hand when you drop her.

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Gone is the fear of dropping it because it doesn't want to go over so easily any more. Low speed maneuvers are a pleasure now. Cornering and handling in general is like an RT with the luxury of an LT.

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Thanks Zotter for the link. It's a different bike without the rack. Instead of the Fort Worth rack, I mounted a small soft sided briefcase which holds all sorts of stuff. Not enough for overnight however.
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I won't deny that she can be a handful at times, but I have never found her to be too difficult to handle. she just keeps me on my toes (literally at times!). I hadn't had a bike for 30 years, bought my bike last February and have been happy ever since. So has my SO, she loves how comfortable the bike is.

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Yeah, maybe once, but I was drunk and stupid at the time...

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I've never had the pleasure of a long-term ride on a GT, but I've spent five minutes sitting on one with both factory option seats, and had the same impression with both...

"If I ever have to panic stop on this puppy, I'll go from a baritone to a soprano." (between the seats and the sharp "end" of the tank)

Or as a close friend said, "I had one on loan from the local dealer for a day, got 45 minutes from the shop and turned around to take it back because the seat was that uncomfortable."

I'm looking very forward to a chance to actually SIT on the new concours, I like that the fit and finish of the one at the cycle world show looked 100% better than the gigantic body gaps on the GT across the hall, and has enough adrenaline per pound.

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I've considered trying this out for a long time. I haven't done so for a couple reasons:
1) don't like the side-silhouette of the bike without the case or even the rear- for that matter. it doesn't look have the look of an electra- or roadglide from the rear without their 'tour-pak' on. I must say, those look sharp, LTs don't. JUST IMO, don't get on my 'case' - ok that may be the lamest thing I ever said.
2) as petty as it sounds, I like bragging that I'm riding a BMW. taking the topcase off removes 1 of only 3 badges on my baby
3) Damnit, if I can't have loud pipes like all my friends on their Harleys, I have to be noticed somehow!! Henceforth, blasting the radio is required. just kidding. But seriously, I have very little problem holding the bike up or maneuvering. to trade off 1/2 the speakers for a little bit of handling isn't worth it to me. The radio/cd player was a huge selling point for me.

...as much as I like the thought about riding topless... well, not me, but maybe some hottie on a rocket or something

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Where do ya put the Pizza without the top case?

I get a 16" to go, cut the pizza box in half, duct tape the the new ends; fits nicely in the top case.

Beer goes in the shifter side bag; napkins in the it rear brake side, on top of the CD rack.

Ooooops. Plastic knives and forks go into the odiments box.

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just a suggestion. why not get two 25 lb. bags of lead shot gun shot and put one in each side box? the bike will weigh 50 more pounds but, i bet it'll be easier to control. it won't cost a lot and it won't take as long as removing the top box. it won't exceed the capacity of the side boxes either.omurphy
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This is the best change I have ever made to any bike. I removed the topcase and also only filled the tank with 4 gallons of fuel. This got rid of about 45 lbs. which were high up. It's like I have a different bike. The center of gravity is most definitely lower. Even though I only removed 45 lbs. it feels like I've removed 200lbs. Gone is the fear of dropping it because it doesn't want to go over so easily any more. Low speed maneuvers are a pleasure now. Cornering and handling in general is like an RT with the luxury of an LT.

The topcase is a design flaw of the LT. It should not have such a dramatically negative effect on so many aspects of the machine. If I ever fo have a passenger I will try to get a sissy bar and a lightweight T-Bag instead of ever putting that topcase back on.
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just a suggestion. why not get two 25 lb. bags of lead shot gun shot and put one in each side box? the bike will weigh 50 more pounds but, i bet it'll be easier to control. it won't cost a lot and it won't take as long as removing the top box. it won't exceed the capacity of the side boxes either.omurphy
Okay lets take this up one.
Take the shot put it in a zippered fanny pack. Mount that upside down just below you licence plate, with a string on the zipper.
When some cage corpse gets to close pull the zipper string and let all them BB's out, like driving in a Ball bearing factory. (May not work as good as the simplex nails, but they will get off your tail.
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I saw that in a cartoon once ... the BBs thing not the big girl thang.

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With the topcase off do you just lose two speakers worth of sound, or does its removal somehow otherwise screw up the radio/CD?
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With the topcase off do you just lose two speakers worth of sound, or does its removal somehow otherwise screw up the radio/CD?
There are no ill effects to removing the top case other than losing that storage space and the temporary use of the rear speakers. Everything else works just fine, and you get better handling, to boot.

Of course, if you have a rack w/a brake light on the top case you'll lose some visibility.

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Okay lets take this up one.
Take the shot put it in a zippered fanny pack. Mount that upside down just below you licence plate, with a string on the zipper.
When some cage corpse gets to close pull the zipper string and let all them BB's out, like driving in a Ball bearing factory. (May not work as good as the simplex nails, but they will get off your tail.
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Just be sure to treat it like the Light Truck that she is when making a slow u-turn on 2 lane GA roads (or any other slow maneuver).... no matter how good of hamstrings you have.

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I was trying to think how wide that road was. I think 16ft. tops. Never again without a little more room.
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This is the best change I have ever made to any bike. I removed the topcase and also only filled the tank with 4 gallons of fuel. This got rid of about 45 lbs. which were high up. It's like I have a different bike. The center of gravity is most definitely lower. Even though I only removed 45 lbs. it feels like I've removed 200lbs. Gone is the fear of dropping it because it doesn't want to go over so easily any more. Low speed maneuvers are a pleasure now. Cornering and handling in general is like an RT with the luxury of an LT.

The topcase is a design flaw of the LT. It should not have such a dramatically negative effect on so many aspects of the machine. If I ever fo have a passenger I will try to get a sissy bar and a lightweight T-Bag instead of ever putting that topcase back on.
I am trying to figure out which suggest makes the LEAST sense:

1. Taking the Top Case off the back of a Full Dress Touring Bike, or
2. Suggesting that it makes sense to NOT fill the tank, to increase handling.


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