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post #1 of 9 Old Jul 24th, 2017, 7:49 pm Thread Starter
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Tire mileage trivia

I have been wanting to sit down for some time now and compile my tire mileages. I tend to run my tires at least to the TWIs and sometimes beyond if I have no long trips planned and can avoid riding in wet weather.

I have 57,690 on my LT today and here are my tire mileages thus far.

Rear
#1 ME880 8,721 (original OEM tire)
#2 ME880 8,784
#3 ME880 9,218
#4 ME880 9,323 (this tire was run longer than desirable as it had to run again for a couple weeks when tire #5 was returned for warranty claim)
#5 ME880 4,605 (this tire developed a split in the sidewall and was returned under warranty)
#6 BT020 11,624 (this tire was removed a little early as it was approaching the TWI and inspection was due and I didn't want to fight with the inspection station. I would have ridden it another 1,000 miles with no concern.)
#7 BT020 5,415 (current tire going strong with at least half the tread left)
Summary: It appears the BT020 will run at least 25% longer than the ME880 and probably closer to 40% longer when I wear one down to equivalent remaining tread. My ME880 that ran 9,323 was nearly bald and my BT020 that ran 11,624 really isn't even down to the wear bars yet. I was tempted to put it back on and run it a few more miles, but didn't seem worth it for a 1,000 miles.

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#1 ME880 17,505 (original OEM tire)
#2 ME880 16,396
#3 ME880 17,065
#4 BT020 6,724 (removed this today and replaced with ME888 for inspection that is due. I tried the Bridgestone front as there was a package deal on a pair of the BT020's and I wanted to see if JZ and Saddleman were correct about the poor life of front BT020 tires. They were so I am back to Metzelers on the front.)
#5 ME888 0 (current tire just mounted and balanced today along with another BT020 rear on my spare rear rim to swap on in a month for a 4 week tour of the western US.)
Summary: The BT020 on the front is just pathetic. I would have run it a few hundred more miles if inspection wasn't due this month, but unlikely to have gotten even 8,000 on it safely. So, the ME880 tires outwear the BT020 by at least a factor of 2. I am curious to see how the ME888 handles and lasts.

That's it in case anyone is interested. I have toyed with trying the Shinko 777, but can't imagine it outlasting the BT020.

I know many complain about the Metzeler tires having poor wet traction, but I have never had an issue with them and we get lots of rain in PA. Maybe our road surfaces are coarser as they hold fine for me as do the BT020's. So, I go for long life as I can scrap hard parts with either tire make in the dry and lean pretty hard even in the wet.
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Replaced rear tire, ME880, at a shade past 5000 miles. Front ME880 has about 7000 on it, no sign of needing a change. New rear is the Shinko 777, 2000 or so, ever so slight flat zone in the middle, barely any wear otherwise. I think this one is going to effortlessly sail past that 5K mark. And the grip and tracking are awesome, at least in comparison with the ME880.

I'm going to call a stickier tire that lasts longer for half the money a win win win. No rain riding yet, though, so nothing to report there, although I had no real issues with the Metz in the rain, either.

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These are the mileages that I changed tires on my 2000 LT. I may have used the ME880 in the beginning, but I mostly ran the BT020's. I averaged anywhere between 10 and 12k for tire changes.

1/5/2001 11864
2/2/2002 24000
3/15/2003 36000
7/30/2004 49400
6/30/2005 60500
4/14/2007 72150
7/1/2008 82900
4/24/2010 94400

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A couple of questions regarding the ME888. my history with the ME880 was nasty on tar snakes. How is the ME888 traction by comparison? Also, any reason NOT to mix brands front to rear (ie, Metzeler / Bridgestone F/R)? Does anyone have experience with the Metzeler Roadtec 01 or Michelin Pilot 4 GT on the front (neither is sized for the rear)?
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Also, any reason NOT to mix brands front to rear (ie, Metzeler / Bridgestone F/R)? Does anyone have experience with the Metzeler Roadtec 01 or Michelin Pilot 4 GT on the front (neither is sized for the rear)?
Yep, been running a PR4GT on the front of the LT for maybe 18 months now... although it hasn't got a lot of mileage yet as I mainly use my K12GT for running to/from work which has PR4's front & rear.
Did a 1000km trip last year and it ran beautifully... including windy mountain roads around our snow country
here's the thread about it
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/tires/16...-front-lt.html

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A couple of questions regarding the ME888. my history with the ME880 was nasty on tar snakes. How is the ME888 traction by comparison? Also, any reason NOT to mix brands front to rear (ie, Metzeler / Bridgestone F/R)? Does anyone have experience with the Metzeler Roadtec 01 or Michelin Pilot 4 GT on the front (neither is sized for the rear)?
I only have a hundred miles or so on my first 888 so I can't offer any comparison as yet to either the 880 or 020.

Mixing brands has the potential for trouble if one brand has really hard rubber for high mileage and the other is super soft sticky rubber or if the tread styles differ substantially. However, you likely would only see this during foot peg dragging lean angles.

The tires most often mixed on the LT seem to be a BT020 rear with an ME880/888 front. Since each offers the highest known mileage in their respective position (front and rear), this suggests both are pretty hard long mileage compounds and thus likely well matched in terms of traction.

My own personal hierarchy as to which tire parameters are most likely to kill you if not heeded is:

1. Construction. Not using radials or bias ply per the manufacturers' specification. This can cause dynamic issues leading to a tank slapper. This can take you down in a flash and often at high speed. And also special construction requirements like the REINF for the rear of the LT should not be ignored.
2. Tread style. Street, adventure, knobby, etc., should not be mixed.
3. Load rating. More people overload their bikes than run at high speeds, so I list this before speed rating.
4. Speed rating.
5. Brand match.

The wild card is that a given combination of the above parameters may provide other dynamic response benefits important to a given bike. For example, a bike maker may find that a tire with load and speed ratings appropriate to the bike's gross weight and top speed provides unstable high speed handling due to lack of stiffness, etc., but that by bumping up the weight and/or speed rating the instability disappears. Then Joe owner comes along and says that the bike maker really messed up by specifying higher than needed speed or load range and decides he is smarter and picks a tire "matched" to the bike's gross weight and top speed. He then gets squirrelly handling and can't figure out why.
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Voyager,

Thank you for your post. I talked with several motorcycle tire dealers here in the USA and they do NOT suggest mixing brands or even models within a brand. I am inclined to buy into that line of thought. Knowing USA companies are much more liability conscious, I consider their advice with a grain of salt. I feel your recommendations of matching construction type, tread style, load rating, speed rating (and in that order) seems absolutely intuitive to me. If I were to mix brands, I would do so within the confines of your advice.

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Voyager,

Thank you for your post. I talked with several motorcycle tire dealers here in the USA and they do NOT suggest mixing brands or even models within a brand. I am inclined to buy into that line of thought. Knowing USA companies are much more liability conscious, I consider their advice with a grain of salt. I feel your recommendations of matching construction type, tread style, load rating, speed rating (and in that order) seems absolutely intuitive to me. If I were to mix brands, I would do so within the confines of your advice.

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Well, with the later model LTs (2005-2009) you only have two choices if you want matched tires: Metzeler and Bridgestone.

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