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post #1 of 9 Old Jul 3rd, 2017, 11:00 am Thread Starter
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Finally getting a chance to catch up on my 99 garage find. After trailering bike to sisters Surprise , AZ. Did full update. Brake lines, tires (Thank you MOTOGHOST), trailer hitch (DMC sidecar) which I built a modification on for a cooler rack & 1" receiver. J&M CB, Gramin GPS. added charging locations in back cargo and in front by Cassette input.
First ride was 4/19 from Surprise AZ to Las Vegas, NV for NAB convention. Week later a group of co-workers rented bikes in LV and did the run to Grand Canyon. Woke up 2nd day to 20 degrees. seat heat and grip heaters were working well. Ran back to Phoenix enjoyed going from 20 degrees to 80+ in 3 hours.
Trailer-ed bike back to PA and will be running to VT end of this week.
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Glad there were no surprises!! Sounds like you are enjoying the old girl. Vermont should be nice.

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Good for you! If you are a mechanic these old bikes can be a bargain. If not they can be a money pit! My LT was a wreck that was totaled. I bought her right and have made all the updates. My wife will not ride on anything else!
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Good for you! If you are a mechanic these old bikes can be a bargain. If not they can be a money pit! My LT was a wreck that was totaled. I bought her right and have made all the updates. My wife will not ride on anything else!
You make a key point about the LT. It is a great bike for two classes of owners:
1. Those who are wealthy and don't mind dropping $1-3,000 every 2-3 years for a major dealer repair. And $500-1,000 each year for routine maintenance.
2. Those who are reasonably competent wrenches and are willing to spend the time here and in the manuals to learn the nuances and weak points of the design and don't mind investing 8-16 hours each year for routine maintenance and 12-40 hours every 2-3 years for a major repair.

If you are of modest means and prefer to leave the wrenching to others, the LT has a good chance of making you miserable.

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. My wife will not ride on anything else!
And that is what I am told.
Off to France again tomorrow.
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[QUOTE=fatbob307;1746322]Good for you! If you are a mechanic these old bikes can be a bargain. If not they can be a money pit! My LT was a wreck that was totaled. I bought her right and have made all the updates. My wife will not ride on anything else![/QUOTE
Not only will my wife not ride on anything else. She will not even entertain the thought of replacing it. Not that it needs it. But someday it will. She thinks it will run forever. Yep. Gonna be a problem when the time comes

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Good for you! If you are a mechanic these old bikes can be a bargain. If not they can be a money pit! My LT was a wreck that was totaled. I bought her right and have made all the updates. My wife will not ride on anything else![/QUOTE
Not only will my wife not ride on anything else. She will not even entertain the thought of replacing it. Not that it needs it. But someday it will. She thinks it will run forever. Yep. Gonna be a problem when the time comes
That's for sure. I have been actively looking since 2013 and have found nothing comparable. The GTL is closest. With $2,000 of aftermarket parts (seat, windshield, Aeroflow deflectors, etc.) it sounds like others have come close to the LT, but I am not ready yet to spend 33 grand to only "come close" to my LT.

The new Yamaha Venture looks very appealing up until you read "air cooled V-twin." Who wants to sit at every stop light with a hot cylinder cooling itself by radiating into your legs? I just can't fathom Yamaha's logic. And upcoming emission standards will make it really hard to certify an air cooled engine in both the US and Europe. Even Harley has seen that writing on the wall, hence their Rushmore project. And their own projection for mileage is 34 MPG! I have two cars that get that. That is far, far worse than the LT or GTL and substantially worse than the Gold Wing.

My only hope is that this is an interim model to get to market more quickly by using their existing cruiser engine. The openings on each side of the engine which appear to now be either air intakes or filled with plastic panels sure look like radiator mounts to me. If Yamaha installs a watercooled engine into the Venture, that would very likely make me a customer.

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If they would have put in a liquid cooled V4 in the bike. They very well may have had me as,a customer. It's got all the other stuff the LT has. Power windshield. Heated seats grips & backrest

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That's for sure. I have been actively looking since 2013 and have found nothing comparable. The GTL is closest. With $2,000 of aftermarket parts (seat, windshield, Aeroflow deflectors, etc.) it sounds like others have come close to the LT, but I am not ready yet to spend 33 grand to only "come close" to my LT.

The new Yamaha Venture looks very appealing up until you read "air cooled V-twin." Who wants to sit at every stop light with a hot cylinder cooling itself by radiating into your legs? I just can't fathom Yamaha's logic. And upcoming emission standards will make it really hard to certify an air cooled engine in both the US and Europe. Even Harley has seen that writing on the wall, hence their Rushmore project. And their own projection for mileage is 34 MPG! I have two cars that get that. That is far, far worse than the LT or GTL and substantially worse than the Gold Wing.

My only hope is that this is an interim model to get to market more quickly by using their existing cruiser engine. The openings on each side of the engine which appear to now be either air intakes or filled with plastic panels sure look like radiator mounts to me. If Yamaha installs a watercooled engine into the Venture, that would very likely make me a customer.
Yep. $2K in aftermarket parts.(seats,deflectors windshield etc..) To come close? Yea. Had to put some of that on my LT. But bought it for much less. Yea l'm spending $26-33k for something to come close to a 18 year old design? Shouldn't 18 years of Technological advancements make the new model superior IN EVERY WAY?? I would think so...I'm not knocking the GTL. It's a great machine. I just think BMW didn't put enough distinct difference between the GT/GTL.The GTL should have shared parts yes. But it should have been a full blown tourer. The GT should have been for the sport touring crowd.
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