Originally Posted by hawg
Why would you want a comparison between BMW and Harley? The only REAL important factor is the rider!
I have my own issues with Harley designs (ie-front dive and brakes!) but let's face it...even a superior design like a BMW is not going to keep a rider safe if he does not have the training and does not ride responsibly.
I dunno...guess I am gettin tired of the Harley bashing...about as bad as hearing HD owners bitching and joking about other bikes...
Really? You don't think ABS has no factor what so ever as far as safety is concerned? What you are saying is a responsible rider can ride any bike, safely in any conditions as long as that person is trained?
A great rider can stop a non ABS bike faster, but us average riders, especially in a panic situation simply can't. The most prevelant two vehicle is crash is a left turn in front of bike. Put a Harley and a BMW in that situation with an average, trained rider, which one do you think will walk away?
Now, I've only ridden BMW's for a leetle over 6 years and Harley's somewhat over 26 years. For me, even though I practice, practice, practice and try to take an ERC every year, when faced with a panic situation, I try to stop like it's NOT an ABS bike. To spell it out: I don't hammer the brakes. I've gotten better and have hammered the brakes about 50% of the time now.
I've lived the so called "Harley lifestyle" with one important factor: I'm not a poseur. Was riding them when there was no such thing. I had long hair, a beard, drank heavily, did drugs, rode with and knew closely a "social club" that I actually lived with, been shot once, stabbed once, have tattoo's, a fused ankle, a mangled left leg, a rod, pins, many, many road rash and other scars. If anyone can bash a Harley, I can and I call bullshit on your post here.
Antiquated design and non ABS against modern technology? Really?
So sorry you're tired of Harley bashing.
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