Hid or led - BMW Luxury Touring Community
 2Likes
  • 1 Post By BeemerJoe
  • 1 Post By bmwcoolk1200
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 20 Old Sep 22nd, 2016, 12:38 am Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 12
Hid or led

To all of you great riders I have a question since I am new to the bmw I would like to upgrade the head light so should I go HID or LED and if I go HID what is the brightest bulb that can be used and stay legal
Big Bear is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 Old Sep 22nd, 2016, 3:55 am
Senior Member
 
Axle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: portland, victoria, Australia
Posts: 1,482
Garage
Re: Hid or led

I cant comment on LED, but don't go higher than 4300 on a HID, the light colour is white, higher 5000k etc. values are not any brighter than 4300k but the light colour goes blue. I have only done low beam as I don't ride much at night. I would imagine LED would be instant bright, whereas HID need a couple of seconds maybe 5 sec to reach full bright.
HTH

Regards Linton
From the land of Kangaroo's and Koalas
and no koalas are not Bears



2002 K1200LT
2010 Suzuki GSX 1250FA (the Wifes)
2004 Cub Kamparoo Sprint
My Toys
1976 Datsun 260Z
1989 Nissan 300zx TT
Axle is offline  
post #3 of 20 Old Sep 22nd, 2016, 7:54 am
Senior Member
 
mtrevelino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Williamsburg, VA, USA
Posts: 2,552
Re: Hid or led

I have a cheap pair of led's on my RT, and may change them out because the radio is just "white noise". Lucky I have xm which does not interfere with the led's. I really like the led's and do not know if I will stay with them, or install hid's. I had a hid on my LT for nine years and did not have any issues with it. Regardless, you get what you pay for, so make sure you get a good recommended led or hid kit. Also, the led take up less room than the hid.

Mike Trevelino
Williamsburg, VA
2008 RT
2000 LT - Totaled at 99,960 miles


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
mtrevelino is offline  
 
post #4 of 20 Old Sep 22nd, 2016, 8:18 am
Senior Member
 
bmwcoolk1200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,995
Re: Hid or led

I am listing a good thread with lots of information. I am using the Phillips LED with the copper band heat sink instead of one with a fan. Most of the fan's are so large that you can't put the back cover on again. The banded heat sink folds out inside and the small ballast all fit inside the original cover. I have been very pleased with the LED low beam at 5K color ( very bright white) and there is adjustment on aiming to keep from blinding oncoming people. I have mine set as low as it will point and never get flashed but can see great.

For the high beam on the LT, there is no current acceptable H3 LED bulb that will fit the strange hole in the reflector so you will be limited to a HID there and have to cut holes in the removable housing for the wires. DO NOT try and put a 100W halogen in for the high beam as the stock wiring will melt being too small to carry the extra current. The only draw back of the HID is that most take 20 or so seconds to get bright so no immediate help on the high beam if you need to see NOW when they are cold. When warm, they come on nicely as in dimming for an oncoming and then turning them back on. If they are off for much more than that, then they will have to warm up again.

It is a long thread but lots of good information.

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/k1200lt/...ght-blubs.html

Gordon
Sugar Hill, GA
2001 K1200LTI – Champagne (current ride) Lazy Susan
1998 R1100RT – Never should have sold it
1974 Yamaha TX 750 Twin. Omni Phase Balanced


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bmwcoolk1200 is offline  
post #5 of 20 Old Sep 22nd, 2016, 9:31 am
Junior Member
 
Guitarlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 19
Garage
Re: Hid or led

Check what state laws are of the state that you are in. Each state varries so there is no definitive answer.
Guitarlos is offline  
post #6 of 20 Old Sep 22nd, 2016, 9:11 pm
Wrencher Extraordinaire
 
jzeiler's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hazel Green, AL, USA
Posts: 13,263
Re: Hid or led

Under federal law if the vehicle was not equipped from the factory with HID it is illegal. Having said that I have been running HID in my 05 for 12 years. Same bulb by the way and only on second ballast. Looking at the LED lights that are available now I would go that route.

John
2009 K1300GT Red Rocket
2009 R1200GS (Gone)
2005 K1200LT Ocean Blue Blue Wizard 110 K and counting...
2006 Bushtec Turbo+2 Spell
2004 330 Ci Convertable
K4AN

Have ridden a Motorcycle in all 48
But lack DE, MA, RI and CT with the 2005 LT

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jzeiler is offline  
post #7 of 20 Old Sep 23rd, 2016, 1:00 am
Senior Member
 
Moogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hamilton, Oh., Butler
Posts: 187
Re: Hid or led

A lot of info available if you do a search on this subject.
Not sure if all years have the ground wire problem but you can blow a ballast if yours has the ground wire problem. Mine did so check that out before an install.

2000 Lt
800 Kawasaki
25 yrs. without
750 Suzuki
550 Suzuki
160 Honda









The ride is fresh under diamond skies, makes me glad to be alive.
Moogie is offline  
post #8 of 20 Old Feb 4th, 2017, 6:18 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 206
Garage
Re: Hid or led

BMWCoolk.. Just thought i'd mention, that i just replaced my stock High beam bulb on my 2006 LT, with an LED H9 from xenon depot. Awesome. I had put their HID kit in, and although somewhat brighter than the LED, the instant on is way worth the change. The HID was too slow in getting to full brightness. The LED is a direct replacement, and only cost 75 bucks.. Check it out.
Joe
Moogmike likes this.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
[/SIGPIC]

Joe
Palm Coast, FL.

2006 K1200LT (Love it)
2002 R1150RT (Sold)
2007 Harley FLHTCU (sold at 137k Miles)
1999 Harley Night train (blew the eng at 150k miles)
1986 harley Davidson FLTC (Sold When assigned to Europe
1982 Harley Wide Glide (sold)
1981 Kawasaki k1000LTD (sold)
1980 Triumph Bonneville (sold)
BeemerJoe is offline  
post #9 of 20 Old Feb 4th, 2017, 6:48 pm
Senior Member
 
bmwcoolk1200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,995
Re: Hid or led

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeemerJoe View Post
BMWCoolk.. Just thought i'd mention, that i just replaced my stock High beam bulb on my 2006 LT, with an LED H9 from xenon depot. Awesome. I had put their HID kit in, and although somewhat brighter than the LED, the instant on is way worth the change. The HID was too slow in getting to full brightness. The LED is a direct replacement, and only cost 75 bucks.. Check it out.
Joe
Joe, the LT, or at least mine has a strange shaped hole for the HB plus it is deeply set in a tube so as of yet, I have not found any H3 LED bulb which is what my year LT takes being integrated into the main light assembly that would fit through the hole. I ordered several H3 types and all were a bust so I went with the HID which does fit with modification to the carrier behind it and added the light bars to compensate for the delay. Not sure you can see it in this picture but the hole is actually square and just big enough for the normal H3 bulb to fit through. the HID is smaller around so it does fit. All the LED so far are larger around.

Really glad that the H9 fit perfectly though. I really do like my LED low beam.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	LT HB.jpg
Views:	95
Size:	626.1 KB
ID:	122321  

Gordon
Sugar Hill, GA
2001 K1200LTI – Champagne (current ride) Lazy Susan
1998 R1100RT – Never should have sold it
1974 Yamaha TX 750 Twin. Omni Phase Balanced


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bmwcoolk1200 is offline  
post #10 of 20 Old Feb 4th, 2017, 9:48 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 206
Garage
Re: Hid or led

Oh ok.. now i see your problem.. My 06 has separate light assemblies for high and low beam.
Joe


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
[/SIGPIC]

Joe
Palm Coast, FL.

2006 K1200LT (Love it)
2002 R1150RT (Sold)
2007 Harley FLHTCU (sold at 137k Miles)
1999 Harley Night train (blew the eng at 150k miles)
1986 harley Davidson FLTC (Sold When assigned to Europe
1982 Harley Wide Glide (sold)
1981 Kawasaki k1000LTD (sold)
1980 Triumph Bonneville (sold)
BeemerJoe is offline  
post #11 of 20 Old Feb 4th, 2017, 11:12 pm
Senior Member
 
bmwcoolk1200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,995
Re: Hid or led

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeemerJoe View Post
Oh ok.. now i see your problem.. My 06 has separate light assemblies for high and low beam.
Joe
Yep, The owners probably made so much noise about the LT's poor lighting system that they changed it up.

Gordon
Sugar Hill, GA
2001 K1200LTI – Champagne (current ride) Lazy Susan
1998 R1100RT – Never should have sold it
1974 Yamaha TX 750 Twin. Omni Phase Balanced


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bmwcoolk1200 is offline  
post #12 of 20 Old Feb 5th, 2017, 12:13 pm
Senior Member
 
james216's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Garfield Hts, Ohio, USA
Posts: 1,383
Re: Hid or led

You have a model / part# for that low beam LED?

2004 K1200LT. Big Mama
1999 Suzuki Intruder VL1500LC. Betty Lou.
I'm a 4 percenter.
james216 is offline  
post #13 of 20 Old Feb 5th, 2017, 2:49 pm
Senior Member
 
bmwcoolk1200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,995
Re: Hid or led

Quote:
Originally Posted by james216 View Post
You have a model / part# for that low beam LED?
James, I went to the link I have in my Amazon orders and there is no H7 listed there any longer and it took me to an H1 bulb instead. No idea if they are interchangeable. Here is one that is very similar, even brighter. I believe my bulb is 2500 lumens and that is pretty bright. Since the light is emitted from the sides of the bulb, these are particularly well suited for the LT with the integrated HB as it blocks what might be any dead spot in the center. The ones I bought with the braided heat sink fit entirely inside the headlight and I could place the back on with no holes. The other bulbs with big fans on the back may not fit with the cover on. These being so much brighter, may not be suitable, either too bright or make too much heat to be enclosed. For me, 2500 lumens at 6K color is more than enough for normal night riding.



https://www.amazon.com/Headlight-Fiv...ds=h7+bulb+led

Gordon
Sugar Hill, GA
2001 K1200LTI – Champagne (current ride) Lazy Susan
1998 R1100RT – Never should have sold it
1974 Yamaha TX 750 Twin. Omni Phase Balanced


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bmwcoolk1200 is offline  
post #14 of 20 Old Feb 5th, 2017, 11:07 pm
Senior Member
 
james216's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Garfield Hts, Ohio, USA
Posts: 1,383
Re: Hid or led

Found one on ebay. 45W 6000k with a metal,Aluminum heat sink Is that decent? Or too bright?

2004 K1200LT. Big Mama
1999 Suzuki Intruder VL1500LC. Betty Lou.
I'm a 4 percenter.
james216 is offline  
post #15 of 20 Old Feb 5th, 2017, 11:30 pm
Senior Member
 
bmwcoolk1200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,995
Re: Hid or led

Quote:
Originally Posted by james216 View Post
Found one on ebay. 45W 6000k with a metal,Aluminum heat sink Is that decent? Or too bright?
6000K is the color which is going to be bright white, no yellow and not blue so that is good. The heat sink unless it is the flexible braided band type may not fit inside and still allow the cover to go on plus, if there is a fan, if the fan dies, the light will overheat and shut down. Most with the aluminum heat sink also have a fan which would be the weak link. Post a link and I will look at it.

Here is one that would be comparable to what I bought. Yes, it is a 2 bulb kit but so what. You have a spare if it ever dies. 5000 lumens and 6000k color. I gave my spare bulb to Panzer and he almost didn't use it because he thought it was too bright at 2500 lumens but I told him to go out with his wife and let her drive at him in the dark to see if it was too blinding. She said he was the brightest thing on the road but it wasn't too much. These newer bulbs are twice that output so I don't think I would go with one of those at 8000 lumens. Not sure what the 45W would equate to as I don't think it is a direct power conversion.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5th-Generati...1%26rkt%3D1%26

Gordon
Sugar Hill, GA
2001 K1200LTI – Champagne (current ride) Lazy Susan
1998 R1100RT – Never should have sold it
1974 Yamaha TX 750 Twin. Omni Phase Balanced


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by bmwcoolk1200; Feb 5th, 2017 at 11:41 pm.
bmwcoolk1200 is offline  
post #16 of 20 Old Mar 5th, 2017, 9:35 am
Member
 
Bomajoma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 45
Re: Hid or led

Gordon, does that 5000 lumen LED plug directly into the stock wiring?

Bob

"So often times it happens, that we live our lives in chains,
and we never even know we have the key."

'05 K1200LT

'07 HD Softail Deluxe (sold)

'02 Yamaha Royal Star Tour Deluxe (sold)

'98 Triumph Tbird (sold)

'61 Good lookin' cajun girl (still have)

'15 #1 Grandson (future rider)
Bomajoma is offline  
post #17 of 20 Old Mar 5th, 2017, 10:46 am
Senior Member
 
mtrevelino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Williamsburg, VA, USA
Posts: 2,552
Re: Hid or led

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomajoma View Post
Gordon, does that 5000 lumen LED plug directly into the stock wiring?
I am not Godon, but it does plug directly into the existing socket. There should be enough room to fit everything inside the socket. If not, your bulb cover should already have a hole in it since there was a hid there at one time.

Mike Trevelino
Williamsburg, VA
2008 RT
2000 LT - Totaled at 99,960 miles


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
mtrevelino is offline  
post #18 of 20 Old Mar 5th, 2017, 5:18 pm
Member
 
Bomajoma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 45
Re: Hid or led

Thanks Mike! (We can't all be Gordon)

Bob

"So often times it happens, that we live our lives in chains,
and we never even know we have the key."

'05 K1200LT

'07 HD Softail Deluxe (sold)

'02 Yamaha Royal Star Tour Deluxe (sold)

'98 Triumph Tbird (sold)

'61 Good lookin' cajun girl (still have)

'15 #1 Grandson (future rider)
Bomajoma is offline  
post #19 of 20 Old Mar 5th, 2017, 6:48 pm
Senior Member
 
bmwcoolk1200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,995
Re: Hid or led

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomajoma View Post
Thanks Mike! (We can't all be Gordon)
Bob, Mike is right as long as you get the right kind. The one I have has the copper band heat sink, no fan and is 2500 lumen and 6k color. It is white with maybe a tiny hint of blue but mostly white. Really lights up the street signs even in the daylight. They are making much brighter bulbs now but I would stick with nothing more than what I have or you will likely be flashed in the daytime as well as at night.

Yes, it all fit inside the cover ballast and all but the exact one I got no longer seems to be available

Here is one on Amazon that is 6500K so it will be slightly blue
https://www.amazon.com/QuakeWorld-LE...lb+6000k&psc=1

Here is another one that is pretty close.
https://www.amazon.com/Amak-Latest-H...ght+bulb+6000k

The hardest part is getting the little clips fastened again because there is usually a big connector block on the back where the wire connects. The second one may be easier but it is not quite as bright. There are some monster bright bulbs out now so be careful what you get and stay away from the ones with a fan on the back. I gave my spare ( 2 bulb set) to panzer and at 2500 lumens at 6K, he almost gave it back thinking it was going to be too bright.

I just got an H3 set that I am going to try and mount if they fit through the odd shaped hole in the reflector for the high beam. I have ordered several and all were too big to fit through. Currently have an HID and it is a small bulb so it fits fine but the start time for this one is unacceptable so I added some monster add ons till I can figure out an H3 solution for instant on. Thanks to jzeller on the heads up that the high beam wire is not stout enough to handle a super power regular bulb without melting some wires. The LED low beam made the standard High beam almost useless so you may not feel the need for an upgrade there and be happy with what you get on the low beam. Newer LT's use an H9 in a separate fixture as mentioned above and that can apparently easily have an LED installed.

I think my latest set are thin enough to fit the H3 high beam hole but I am not sure how I am going to keep them in yet. It is already a cut and mod the high beam parts to change to HID so not sure till I pull it all apart if these will work. They are 4800 lumens at 6K so should scorch trees on dark mountain roads as I pass by if I can get them working.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC02180.JPG
Views:	44
Size:	407.9 KB
ID:	123346  

Gordon
Sugar Hill, GA
2001 K1200LTI – Champagne (current ride) Lazy Susan
1998 R1100RT – Never should have sold it
1974 Yamaha TX 750 Twin. Omni Phase Balanced


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bmwcoolk1200 is offline  
post #20 of 20 Old Mar 5th, 2017, 7:54 pm
Senior Member
 
bmwcoolk1200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,995
Re: Hid or led

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomajoma View Post
Thanks Mike! (We can't all be Gordon)
Thank God, one insufferable know it all is enough Just don't ask me a question about an RT or I-ABS

If I know anything about it, it is because of the others on this forum who helped me figure it out.
Bomajoma likes this.

Gordon
Sugar Hill, GA
2001 K1200LTI – Champagne (current ride) Lazy Susan
1998 R1100RT – Never should have sold it
1974 Yamaha TX 750 Twin. Omni Phase Balanced


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bmwcoolk1200 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the BMW Luxury Touring Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My H3 HID highbeam install - 2002 K1200LT brouhaha Australia, New Zealand, and AsiaPac 7 Jul 2nd, 2015 4:37 am
4300K VS 5000K HID Color Temperature Comparison XenonDepot Lighting 4 May 8th, 2014 9:14 am
HID "re-strike": What do you think? VoIPwizard K1200LT 12 Apr 23rd, 2013 7:17 pm
Happy with HID, just installed Motolights Crestwood330 Lighting 5 Jan 4th, 2008 6:41 am

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome