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Am I the only one that DOES't dress to impress when riding my LT. I've found that the majority of BMW riders have to be dressed in matching leathers, helmet, gloves ETC. Mostly Euro style. I guess it's my 35 years riding parleys, but i'm much more comfortable, in a T-shirt, Shorts, Hard toes shoes and NO HELMET, here in Fl. Don't know how people handle the heat dressed the way they are. Please no preaching on safety and all that crap.. I like to ride with 400,000 miles on Harleys, and almost 50k on BMW now. I know all about the Safety thing, but is it now turning into a Fashion Statement? Just my rant, feel free to join the conversation.
P.S. I do wear a helmet and long pants (jeans) when on long trips.


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Am I the only one that DOES't dress to impress when riding my LT. I've found that the majority of BMW riders have to be dressed in matching leathers, helmet, gloves ETC. Mostly Euro style. I guess it's my 35 years riding parleys, but i'm much more comfortable, in a T-shirt, Shorts, Hard toes shoes and NO HELMET, here in Fl. Don't know how people handle the heat dressed the way they are. Please no preaching on safety and all that crap.. I like to ride with 400,000 miles on Harleys, and almost 50k on BMW now. I know all about the Safety thing, but is it now turning into a Fashion Statement? Just my rant, feel free to join the conversation.
P.S. I do wear a helmet and long pants (jeans) when on long trips.
One word comes to mind. ATGATT. If you are going to follow that principle, you might as well look good doing it as long as your good looking gear doesn't sacrifice too much protection over looks. I don't have matched gear, it is a hodge podge of things I can find to fit both my body and my wallet and all bought at different times but I wear it. Asphalt is very hard on bare skin. Just 2 weeks ago i met a guy and his wife at a cycle stop. About 10 miles down the road, I came upon them again with him failing to negotiate a turn and into the woods he went at a good clip and I could see the scrapes on the road before he hit the trees. He was expounding on how if he hadn't been wearing all that gear, he would have been much worse off. You don't need it till you actually do. I don't care how you look but if the introduction of better looking gear will make more people put it on, then I am all for the fashion show rather than the resulting freak show after a 50 yard slide in a T and shorts.
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I don't think that many really dress to impress. No one that I know. I, like many dress for my/our safety. I've never been down either, but things that have NEVER happened, HAPPEN all the time. Why trust luck?
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I guess what brought this to mind was the fact that it was one of the primary reasons i gave up on Harleys. I got so disolusioned with all these WANABEE Hells Angels that i wanted a change. Here near Daytona beach, 99% or Harley riders think they are Son's of Anarchy or as many of my friends call them "pirates" All have to have the leathers or vests. All have to have chains and patches of some kind. None seem to ride for the love of riding. They just seem to want to pose and look like bad asses. Don't get me wrong, i know there are many out there that love the bike for the ride, but face it, most just like being seen. I find that Beemer riders are more about riding and truly enjoying the ride. Sure, i'll stop by a bar for a quick cold one on occasion, but talk about feeling out of place!!!! lol. Never been given a hard time though. Guess i'm in the mood to rant today lol
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This has always been a conundrum for me. I have a cruiser background and in the cruiser world it is MUCH more common to dress for comfort (no helmet, shorts, sneakers, etc). I remember having a conversation with some of my riding buddies that revolved around my inevitable purchase of a BMW K1200LT. A surprising number of them proceeded to tell me that once I bought the Beemer I would not want to ride with them any more (because supposedly BMW riders don't like to ride in groups) and I would have to buy a full BMW riding suit and always wear a helmet.

Well.... 7 months of LT ownership and I still love group riding and have not even thought about buying a riding suit. I must say that I do wear a helmet more than I used to, but I think that is primarily because I ride for significantly longer distances on the LT than I do on the Valkyrie.

I have never considered dressing to impress fellow riders, but to each their own. I'd like to think that most riders that religously gear up are doing it because they like always being prepared for the worst case scenario. Riding is a very personal hobby and I think most of us know we are taking on extra potential risk when we go without a helmet and, at least jeans and a jacket. I find the best compromise I can between enjoying the experience and hopefully being around to be a grandfather one day. I am starting to acknowledge that having a helmet on really doesn't decrease the riding experience much. However, I still rarely wear a helmet unless I will be ride for 2+hours. Old habits die hard.
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My sentiments exactly. I would still ride with groups, if i could find some. But i've always been the oddball that can get on the bike and not get off it until the tank is dry..
Oh and been riding 40 years, am a Grandfather, and have never gotten used to wearing a helmet. and as i said before, i will wear one on trips where i spend a lot of time on the freeways at higher than normal speeds.
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I guess what brought this to mind was the fact that it was one of the primary reasons i gave up on Harleys. I got so disolusioned with all these WANABEE Hells Angels that i wanted a change. Here near Daytona beach, 99% or Harley riders think they are Son's of Anarchy or as many of my friends call them "pirates" All have to have the leathers or vests. All have to have chains and patches of some kind. None seem to ride for the love of riding. They just seem to want to pose and look like bad asses. Don't get me wrong, i know there are many out there that love the bike for the ride, but face it, most just like being seen. I find that Beemer riders are more about riding and truly enjoying the ride. Sure, i'll stop by a bar for a quick cold one on occasion, but talk about feeling out of place!!!! lol. Never been given a hard time though. Guess i'm in the mood to rant today lol
There are posers on both sides of that double yellow line but the ones on my side of the line are more likely to come away with less damage than the ones on your ( or their ) side should that unthinkable thing happen. Yeah, sometimes it is uncomfortable. So be it. I find that at least in the places I go, there are lots of HD riders and they almost all look as you describe and I am well received but then again, I have never walked in on a group of Hell's Angles either.

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I'm a firm believer in AGATT and dress for visibility. My gear consists of a modular helmet with communications gear, a hi-viz yellow Aerostich suit, gloves, M/C boots, and ear plugs. Just came back from the Ft. Bragg ride via Highway 1 yesterday. Temperatures on the way back ranged from the mid-60's to 104. The full suit can get uncomfortable above 85, so I also wore an LDC skull cap under the helmet, and a Colorado Cool Wear hydration vest over a t-shirt and stayed very comfortable all day. This solution works in hot, lower humidity areas, but wouldn't work as well in hot, higher humidity climates - for that, I have a Veskimo cooling system that circulates ice water through a vest.

If I wanted to dress to impress, I'd probably have gotten something that matches the bike's color scheme, and skip hi-viz colors.

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Am I the only one that DOES't dress to impress when riding my LT. I've found that the majority of BMW riders have to be dressed in matching leathers, helmet, gloves ETC. Mostly Euro style. I guess it's my 35 years riding parleys, but i'm much more comfortable, in a T-shirt, Shorts, Hard toes shoes and NO HELMET, here in Fl. Don't know how people handle the heat dressed the way they are. Please no preaching on safety and all that crap.. I like to ride with 400,000 miles on Harleys, and almost 50k on BMW now. I know all about the Safety thing, but is it now turning into a Fashion Statement? Just my rant, feel free to join the conversation.
P.S. I do wear a helmet and long pants (jeans) when on long trips.
In order of decreasing importance, I dress for:

1. Safety in a crash
2. Comfort in a variety of weather
3. Visibility
4. Reasonable cost

Impressing anyone other then me isn't on my list.

People who ride in street clothes without a helmet make an impression on me, but I won't share what that impression is.
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This has always been a conundrum for me. I have a cruiser background and in the cruiser world it is MUCH more common to dress for comfort (no helmet, shorts, sneakers, etc). I remember having a conversation with some of my riding buddies that revolved around my inevitable purchase of a BMW K1200LT. A surprising number of them proceeded to tell me that once I bought the Beemer I would not want to ride with them any more (because supposedly BMW riders don't like to ride in groups) and I would have to buy a full BMW riding suit and always wear a helmet.

Well.... 7 months of LT ownership and I still love group riding and have not even thought about buying a riding suit. I must say that I do wear a helmet more than I used to, but I think that is primarily because I ride for significantly longer distances on the LT than I do on the Valkyrie.

I have never considered dressing to impress fellow riders, but to each their own. I'd like to think that most riders that religously gear up are doing it because they like always being prepared for the worst case scenario. Riding is a very personal hobby and I think most of us know we are taking on extra potential risk when we go without a helmet and, at least jeans and a jacket. I find the best compromise I can between enjoying the experience and hopefully being around to be a grandfather one day. I am starting to acknowledge that having a helmet on really doesn't decrease the riding experience much. However, I still rarely wear a helmet unless I will be ride for 2+hours. Old habits die hard.
It is funny you mention comfort. I find my riding gear much more comfortable than street gear.

Several years ago, my wife and I ride from PA to Bar Harbor with a small group of 10 or so. The first day was brutally hot, at least for this area. It was 95 when we left at 7:00 and was 100 when we stopped near Albany, NY for lunch. The temps ranged between 100 and 105 as we ride across northern Mass (route 2 if memory serves) to our stop near Boston. We didn't arrive until 7:00 PM.

We had our LT and wore full gear. We had two Wings and the rest a mix of cruisers. They all had street clothes. They all made fun of us ... until they began to suffer from the heat, sunburn, windburn, dehydration and, one I think, early heat stroke. He and his Wing just toppled over waiting at a light. When we got to the hotel that evening, my wife and I were worn out to be sure, but we were FAR better than the others.

If you are riding farther than the corner store, I believe full gear is more comfortable rather than less. Bare skin burns faster, absorbs more heat from the sun and losses moisture much more quickly. The folks who have lived in the Sahara for centuries wear full coverage clothing for a reason! So should motorcyclists.

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Agreed! I wear full gear for comfort. I tried wearing a half helmet and street clothes once, it was horrible. The sun was baking on me, the wind and dirt got in my eyes. No thank you. I'll stick with the full gear. Not only does it protect you from the road, but quality gear also protects you from the environment.

I don't wear an expensive riding suit, I'm in the hodge podge gear camp. I could care less what I look like, I only care what I feel like.
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(Sup Whiskey, sorry for the repeat story for you.)

OP - A couple of years ago, I went for a ride with my friend in 95+F heat. We would more than double the miles on his HD Heritage in one day. (I was on a c50.) He wore shorts, tennis shoes, a polo shirt, helmet and gloves. I wore boots, jeans with white mesh over pants, black mesh jacket over a polo shirt, gloves and a helmet with a Chilly Dana underneath. After the first 90 miles, we stopped for some gas and to get a drink - two Gatorades for him. My friend was super hot and needed to cool off in the store. He bought some sunscreen because he was already burning. My friend wasn't in good shape. Fortunately, lunch was about 60 miles away.

Wearing the gear protected from the heat and sun. This year, I got some new stuff for the heat:
White helmet (look for the youtube video of the temperature difference of a white helmet vs a black one)
Sandstone mesh jacket and pants (with additional layers in the closet), the color reflects the sun and the mesh lets air flow.
Black or Gray boots, black leather palm and finger with mesh on back of hands (hands don't burn)
The Chilly Dana is a must if riding for more than 30 minutes as it drops the felt temperature by 20+ degrees

Winter: I will switch to black mesh jacket and pants with layers installed as needed. I have several sets of gloves to choose from depending on the temperatures. So the black will attract heat from the sun to keep me warmer.

People are always surprised to hear the sandstone mesh pants are cooler over the jeans than just wearing the jeans by themselves. If on a short ride, under 25 minutes, I will skip the riding pants sometimes.

Oh, my friends have been buying mesh jackets to wear to keep cool after seeing how well I am doing after we ride. I'm am concerned about: Safety, comfort, price and then, looks.
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It is funny you mention comfort. I find my riding gear much more comfortable than street gear.

Several years ago, my wife and I ride from PA to Bar Harbor with a small group of 10 or so. The first day was brutally hot, at least for this area. It was 95 when we left at 7:00 and was 100 when we stopped near Albany, NY for lunch. The temps ranged between 100 and 105 as we ride across northern Mass (route 2 if memory serves) to our stop near Boston. We didn't arrive until 7:00 PM.

We had our LT and wore full gear. We had two Wings and the rest a mix of cruisers. They all had street clothes. They all made fun of us ... until they began to suffer from the heat, sunburn, windburn, dehydration and, one I think, early heat stroke. He and his Wing just toppled over waiting at a light. When we got to the hotel that evening, my wife and I were worn out to be sure, but we were FAR better than the others.

If you are riding farther than the corner store, I believe full gear is more comfortable rather than less. Bare skin burns faster, absorbs more heat from the sun and losses moisture much more quickly. The folks who have lived in the Sahara for centuries wear full coverage clothing for a reason! So should motorcyclists.
Fair point. As I mentioned in my previous post, I have not even thought about getting a riding suit so I can't make a direct comparison about which is more comfortable. However, my personal comfort zone after several years of riding is jacket (weather dependent), maybe helmet, maybe jeans (weather dependent), maybe boots (weather dependent). I have heard about suits as well as long sleeve shirts that are much better in the heat than bare arms, etc. I don't doubt there are many great products that I don't use right now, but I will have to ease into that at my own pace, if at all. I'm not knocking it. Just haven't tried it. Riding is about passion for me and I usually choose to wear what feels "right" to me with the fair knowledge that it is not necessarily the best or safest attire. Tastes can change over time. I am 46 years old and just started eating bananas 2 years ago. I hated them until then. True story.

I think I will experience a bit of change when (if) the stereo on my 05 stops working. Why? Because, from my research (a lot of it on this forum) it is damn near an impossible task to replace the stereo and have a way to hook up an mp3 player or phone directly to it. And since I will not give up music, that means I will have to do a bluetooth setup. Which means I will have to wear a helmet. Domino effect.

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In order of decreasing importance, I dress for:

1. Safety in a crash
2. Comfort in a variety of weather
3. Visibility
4. Reasonable cost

Impressing anyone other then me isn't on my list.

People who ride in street clothes without a helmet make an impression on me, but I won't share what that impression is.
OK, I ride in Europe so we do not get the Florida temps here.

I ride always with a minimum of helmet (European wide law so no choice), jacket, gloves, & boots. If it is too hot, then I will ride in just jeans - otherwise either a combination of jeans & rain trousers or a pair of summer riding trousers.

I totally agree with Voyagers comments, as I look at those criteria when replacing my equipment. Previous Jacket was a BMW Streetguard, now I have a Klim Badlands Hi-Vis Jacket. I love Badlands, as it has so many opening I am quite cool when I ride. We shall have to see what happens in Winter! (It does not have a thermal liner. Still one can't have everything!)

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Fair point. As I mentioned in my previous post, I have not even thought about getting a riding suit so I can't make a direct comparison about which is more comfortable. However, my personal comfort zone after several years of riding is jacket (weather dependent), maybe helmet, maybe jeans (weather dependent), maybe boots (weather dependent). I have heard about suits as well as long sleeve shirts that are much better in the heat than bare arms, etc. I don't doubt there are many great products that I don't use right now, but I will have to ease into that at my own pace, if at all. I'm not knocking it. Just haven't tried it. Riding is about passion for me and I usually choose to wear what feels "right" to me with the fair knowledge that it is not necessarily the best or safest attire. Tastes can change over time. I am 46 years old and just started eating bananas 2 years ago. I hated them until then. True story.

I think I will experience a bit of change when (if) the stereo on my 05 stops working. Why? Because, from my research (a lot of it on this forum) it is damn near an impossible task to replace the stereo and have a way to hook up an mp3 player or phone directly to it. And since I will not give up music, that means I will have to do a bluetooth setup. Which means I will have to wear a helmet. Domino effect.
Try a light colored mesh jacket and you will never go back. Mine is neon green. Goes nicely with my gray LT.
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I like to ride in the nude...during the day, of course. And go by the elementary schools early in the morning around 8:00 am or so. It is just so invigorating.
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I like to ride in the nude...during the day, of course. And go by the elementary schools early in the morning around 8:00 am or so. It is just so invigorating.
hahahahahaha!!!!!

I ride SOTGMOTT Some of the gear most of the time. Always long pant, long sleeve, Helmet, boots & gloves. That's what they taught in MSF. Now most of the time I also wear a moto-specific jacket. I have three and none of them match each other or either of my bikes. Riding pants only when it's wet, cold or all day touring. Mostly cuz I'm fat and nothing fits right.

P.S. Why do so many riders wear black. I for one never wear a black shoes, a black jacket or black jeans when not riding.

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hahahahahaha!!!!!

I ride SOTGMOTT Some of the gear most of the time. Always long pant, long sleeve, Helmet, boots & gloves. That's what they taught in MSF. Now most of the time I also wear a moto-specific jacket. I have three and none of them match each other or either of my bikes. Riding pants only when it's wet, cold or all day touring. Mostly cuz I'm fat and nothing fits right.

P.S. Why do so many riders wear black. I for one never wear a black shoes, a black jacket or black jeans when not riding.
Hmm. Your question makes me refer back to the original post. My jacket (attached) is black and I must admit I bought it because IMO it was the best looking one I could find that had the foam armor and sleeves that come on and off. Granted, I bought it because of how much I liked it. Not because I thought others would necessarily like it.

Voyager, I have been thinking about getting a light colored mesh jacket. I would like to see just how much of a difference there is in the heat.
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I have a light colored mesh jacket and pants set, Olympia, perfect for someone taller than me, 5'08", and bigger, too.
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Living in Indianapolis area, we don't get the constant year round riding weather. Soon, I'll be donning my leather jacket and thicker jeans soon.

I always wear riding boots, I want my feet attached if I should ever crash. A buddy of mine was an EMT and I'll never forget the story about the motorcycle crash he was dispatched to, the guy was wearing shoes and they came off during his crash, effed his feet up severely!

I also always wear a helmet. We don't have helmet laws in Indiana, but my kid likes to ride with me and I want to instill a good behavior to her (in my mind). Ive always heeded the warning of "If you have a 10 dollar head, buy a 10 dollar helmet". To each his or her own.

I almost always wear my S&S jacket, its mesh with the built in back and elbow guards. This is more of a safety thing than a fashion statement.

I do wear a pair of riding gloves, even in the hot summer months. Its a safety issue for me again.

Im new to the K1200LT, less than a week of owning it. Prior to this bike, I rode an 80 GL1100 for the past 9 years and put 80K miles on her. I dont see my gear changing all that much.
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Living in Indianapolis area, we don't get the constant year round riding weather. Soon, I'll be donning my leather jacket and thicker jeans soon.

I always wear riding boots, I want my feet attached if I should ever crash. A buddy of mine was an EMT and I'll never forget the story about the motorcycle crash he was dispatched to, the guy was wearing shoes and they came off during his crash, effed his feet up severely!

I also always wear a helmet. We don't have helmet laws in Indiana, but my kid likes to ride with me and I want to instill a good behavior to her (in my mind). Ive always heeded the warning of "If you have a 10 dollar head, buy a 10 dollar helmet". To each his or her own.

I almost always wear my S&S jacket, its mesh with the built in back and elbow guards. This is more of a safety thing than a fashion statement.

I do wear a pair of riding gloves, even in the hot summer months. Its a safety issue for me again.

Im new to the K1200LT, less than a week of owning it. Prior to this bike, I rode an 80 GL1100 for the past 9 years and put 80K miles on her. I dont see my gear changing all that much.
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One hot summer day in central Florida a large group of sportbikes were enjoying the day.
There was one individual who was hot. He decided it was a good idea to remove his gear and bungie net it to the pilon.
Well the speeds were a bit excessive that day. The group was plowing the hills of 480 before reaching US19.
The rider tucked in behind the windscreen. The massive amount of air blowing over him and down his back grabbed his gear and blew it off of the back of the bike.
When the bungie net reached its limit, it retracted the gear back to the bike. No. Not back to the pilon but underneath so the rear wheel picked up the gear and immediately wedged it between the swing arm and the rear tire.
At well into the triple digits the rear wheel was locked. Rubber peeled off the rim like removing an onion skin.
The bike went left, then right, then left and right...
The skid mark went up the hill and down the other side. It is just amazing he kept the bike upright for 300 -400 yards.
at the bottom of the hill is where the bike decided it wanted to go off roading. It then sent the rider airborn.

To this day, the guy is still brain damaged.
He had road rash all over his body... From the dirt!

I am sure he doesn't remember any of it... But he did get a helicopter ride to the hospital.

Gear is not very important.
You are very lucky to live in FL. You can ride in your shorts and flip-flops with no helmet to mess up your hair.
To be free. How great that feeling is.

Of course the rest of us appreciate those who die without a helmet or proper gear... It leaves more oxygen and resources for us to enjoy.
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Now let's talk about hands and feet.

Most riders don't consider how delicate the bones in the hands and feet are.
So lets hop on a bike with no gloves or gloves with all of the fingers removed... WTF?
You then crash at 30mph. You're riding and LT so I will assume you are over 300 pounds.
Those of you who I see vacationing here on your LT are really BIG! Call Jenny Craig. It is time.
At 30MPH your instant reaction is to throw your hands out to save yourself.
Well if you think you are big boned, I can show you two CT scans... 150 pound guy and you.
Both bodies have the same bone size, you just thought it would be better to eat those four extra cheeseburgers and NEVER exercise.
So you hit the road at 30mph. You just broke both of your wrists and fractured every bone in your hands and most of the finger bones.
Fast Forward - Surgery is done. The two docs just spent thirteen hours cutting and drilling both of your hands.
Your getting discharged and your wife is so glad that you are alive. Or is she?
You can't do anything! You have pins coming out of every knuckle. Your hands and arms are a dark purple and the pain...

But because you don't think good gear is important, for some reason you think it is your wife's duty to wipe your azz?

And the age which most of you are at right now, you should never even think of getting on a bike without gear.

Getting on a bike wearing gloves without armor and an Amazon price tag less than 150.00 is just crazy.
Your boot should be just as protective with great ankle support.

Sorry for the rant...
It pisses me off when I am holding a guy, then you die in the bus on the way to the hospital.

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Now let's talk about hands and feet.

Most riders don't consider how delicate the bones in the hands and feet are.
So lets hop on a bike with no gloves or gloves with all of the fingers removed... WTF?
You then crash at 30mph. You're riding and LT so I will assume you are over 300 pounds.
Those of you who I see vacationing here on your LT are really BIG! Call Jenny Craig. It is time.
At 30MPH your instant reaction is to throw your hands out to save yourself.
Well if you think you are big boned, I can show you two CT scans... 150 pound guy and you.
Both bodies have the same bone size, you just thought it would be better to eat those four extra cheeseburgers and NEVER exercise.
So you hit the road at 30mph. You just broke both of your wrists and fractured every bone in your hands and most of the finger bones.
Fast Forward - Surgery is done. The two docs just spent thirteen hours cutting and drilling both of your hands.
Your getting discharged and your wife is so glad that you are alive. Or is she?
You can't do anything! You have pins coming out of every knuckle. Your hands and arms are a dark purple and the pain...

But because you don't think good gear is important, for some reason you think it is your wife's duty to wipe your azz?

And the age which most of you are at right now, you should never even think of getting on a bike without gear.

Getting on a bike wearing gloves without armor and an Amazon price tag less than 150.00 is just crazy.
Your boot should be just as protective with great ankle support.

Sorry for the rant...
It pisses me off when I am holding a guy, then you die in the bus on the way to the hospital.
So, here's the deal, gloves won't do anything to protect the bones in your hands during an off. Helmets are the only gear we wear that is designed to protect your bones. Every other piece of safety equipment I can think of is designed to protect skin. Good story though.

By the way, I do wear full gear every time, so I'm not arguing that you shouldn't wear gloves, I just hate it when someone makes an argument based on a completely erroneous premiss.

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So, here's the deal, gloves won't do anything to protect the bones in your hands during an off. Helmets are the only gear we wear that is designed to protect your bones. Every other piece of safety equipment I can think of is designed to protect skin. Good story though.

By the way, I do wear full gear every time, so I'm not arguing that you shouldn't wear gloves, I just hate it when someone makes an argument based on a completely erroneous premiss.


God! I hope no one reads your post.
Stop buying your gloves in the garden center at Lowe's and you will protect your hands.
Your information is dated by at lest fifty years.
Good gloves are available.
I wonder what the SBK riders are wearing?

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I don't do "Fashion" but I do "ATGATT".

A twenty five year old padded leather jacket I bought at a Harley shop when I lived in the USA and had a Harley.
Textile trousers with armour.
A waterproof overjacket in HiVis with armour.
Gloves from a BMW dealer because they were the best I could find and have lasted a number of years.
Boots from BMW because I had worn out lots of cheap boots and the expensive ones last longer.

I look like a mess but I am comfortable and happy. And the only time I fell off (in the snow) I ever felt a thing.

When you are filtering past women on their mobile phones you need the protective gear.
(Translation - lane splitting is filtering and cell is mobile - the first is legal here when riding/driving, the second is not).

I forget to add - we lane split/filter on the motorways (highways) at much higher speeds than in the USA.
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I like to ride in the nude...during the day, of course. And go by the elementary schools early in the morning around 8:00 am or so. It is just so invigorating.
If you do that in my neck of the woods, you will end up well "ventilated" for even cooler riding.
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Sometimes I wear everything but pants. Is that OK?
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I fully believe in ATGATT (ok mostly). If I'm getting on the bike, helmet and gloves are going on, and I'm either wearing my steel toe work boots, or riding boots of varying quality (Alpinestars, Tourmaster, then generic "motorcycle boots" you know, cowboy boots with the straps and rings). If I'm heading out for a day, I'm wearing my mesh Cortech, and Tourmaster pants. I can't afford the really good stuff, Aerostich, Klim, Olympia, etc., but going out on the highway without decent armored gear seems foolhardy to me.

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Unless your gloves have built in metal plates, your gloves aren't going to prevent broken bones. Some gear has built in plates to protect from broken bones in more places than just the head with a helmet. Boots can have shinguards. You can buy under armour to help prevent broken bones. You can even buy the air bag jacket that inflates if you are ejected from the bike, really cool - I looked into these to give my SO peace of mind but didn't buy.
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Ok. I'll bite.. I may be dumb, but what the hell is ATGATT. LOL
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Then there's the Harley mantra, NOTGATT, none of the gear all the time.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Ha ha!! Don't feel bad, Joe. I had to Google it.

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This has always been a conundrum for me. I have a cruiser background and in the cruiser world it is MUCH more common to dress for comfort (no helmet, shorts, sneakers, etc). I remember having a conversation with some of my riding buddies that revolved around my inevitable purchase of a BMW K1200LT. A surprising number of them proceeded to tell me that once I bought the Beemer I would not want to ride with them any more (because supposedly BMW riders don't like to ride in groups) and I would have to buy a full BMW riding suit and always wear a helmet.

Yes... I just quoted myself. The reason is because I am curious if there is any validity to the fairly common belief that BMW riders don't care to ride in groups. Several guys I know have this belief and I'm not sure whether it is somewhat founded in truth or just a "stab" at BMW. I think we are perceived as too snooty to want to ride with others. I do not have any friends or consistent riding associates that have a BMW bike so wondered what your thoughts were. I, myself, really enjoy the shared experience of group riding. That hasn't changed since the acquisition of the LT.

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Yes... I just quoted myself. The reason is because I am curious if there is any validity to the fairly common belief that BMW riders don't care to ride in groups. Several guys I know have this belief and I'm not sure whether it is somewhat founded in truth or just a "stab" at BMW. I think we are perceived as too snooty to want to ride with others. I do not have any friends or consistent riding associates that have a BMW bike so wondered what your thoughts were. I, myself, really enjoy the shared experience of group riding. That hasn't changed since the acquisition of the LT.
I don't mind riding with other people at all as long as I am close on either side to their skill level and the bike mfg is irrelevant. If you can keep it on the road, I will follow. If you are all over the place, I will lead and wait up and pick you up if you fall over.

I ride within my means so wherever that is in the pack ( hopefully not too large) I will hang out there and find a sweet spot. I had a ton of fun riding with the folks at the Spring Training/K1600 tame the dragon and there were many group rides. Yes, mostly BMW's but we had Harleys, Hondas, Victorys and a Slingshot etc riding with us so a diverse group.

I also wave at everyone if I can take my hand off the bars.

I was going to say this is a little off topic but it might fit in on the snooty fashion show, I'm better looking than you and don't want to be seen riding with you mindset but most of the "well dressed"
people I have the chance to interact with are personable and down to earth and have a mind for safety with good equipment as well as good looking equipment.

Me, I may wash my bike this year
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Well, i hate to say it, but not ashamed of it, i do belong to the NOTGATT side. Guess it's my 35 years on a harley.. Old habits die hard.. And please don't let this start a safety lecture blog. I've heard it all. It's my choice. and either way, "live to ride, Ride to live".
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I have no delusions that my ATGATT will save me from all harm, but it will likely allow for an open casket funeral.
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Yes... I just quoted myself. The reason is because I am curious if there is any validity to the fairly common belief that BMW riders don't care to ride in groups. Several guys I know have this belief and I'm not sure whether it is somewhat founded in truth or just a "stab" at BMW. I think we are perceived as too snooty to want to ride with others. I do not have any friends or consistent riding associates that have a BMW bike so wondered what your thoughts were. I, myself, really enjoy the shared experience of group riding. That hasn't changed since the acquisition of the LT.
I am only being slightly facetious when I say that turkeys flock while eagles fly alone. My wife and I tour alone often, with one other couple often and only occasionally with a small group (7 - 15 bikes).

Each has its own reward.

Riding solo is great as you have ultimate freedom and flexibility. But obviously no help in case of trouble or camaraderie.

Riding in a group is painful for me. It takes much more concentration, I see less of the scenery, have to ride more slowly, stop twice as often and for 5X longer. However, you have the camaraderie and lots of help if the crap hits the fan.

Riding with one other bike is somewhere in between.

So, each has its own reward, but I lean towards riding alone. Nothing to do with snootiness, but I just like my freedom.
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Well, i hate to say it, but not ashamed of it, i do belong to the NOTGATT side. Guess it's my 35 years on a harley.. Old habits die hard.. And please don't let this start a safety lecture blog. I've heard it all. It's my choice. and either way, "live to ride, Ride to live".
It's your choice brother. As long as you're aware of the choice you're making you'll get no lecture from me.

As for riding in groups, I still ride with my RC and love it.
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True! However, those of you who are ugly, please ride with NOTGATT and save us from having to look at you in the coffin!
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I usually ride alone simply because of scheduling. Hopefully, that will change as I finish up a major 2+ year work project soon. When riding with others, I found people like to go slow. In fact, the most scared I've been on a motorcycle was riding in a small group (about 8 of us) on a Dallas freeway. The leader set the speed on the speed limit and chose the middle lane. People were driving 75+mph and constantly passing us on the right and the left, sometimes very close to us as they rushed up behind us.

Most motorcyclists don't seem to ride 250 miles between stops. So, it is time to relax and wait for others to get gas. Of course, if you get gas, it is mandatory to get a drink and use the restroom. But, when you stop at the diner to eat and chat, it is a lot of fun!

I once traveled with a group of about 80 (yes, 80) spread throughout vans and it was crazy hard. Every stop was the loss of an hour or more but that is a story for another forum and another time.

I have seen groups of guys getting ready to head out for a ride and have been tempted to join them. Unfortunately, I am usually returning from a ride and the SO is expecting me to be home.
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I am curious if there is any validity to the fairly common belief that BMW riders don't care to ride in groups. Several guys I know have this belief and I'm not sure whether it is somewhat founded in truth or just a "stab" at BMW. I think we are perceived as too snooty to want to ride with others. I do not have any friends or consistent riding associates that have a BMW bike so wondered what your thoughts were.
My riding habits didn't change from before I had a BMW to when I had only a Ducati to when I owned only one or more BMWs. I will ride with a small group of close friends or one or two other like minded riders, regardless of what they are riding. If I'm travelling I prefer to ride alone. I can start when I want, stop when I want, go as far as I want, etc. Don't get me wrong I love meeting up with other riders for a coffee, burger, camping, etc. I'll even follow the leader for a day of riding, especially an area that is new to me. I will never ride in a parade of bikes!
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I never did dress to impress. Or buy a bike to impress as some feel they do when buying a Harley. I don't care if i fit in. Back in 1999. I bought my brand new Suzuki 1500 Intruder LC because i loved it for it's looks,balance. It was a big fat tire bike, which tire wise had no equal at the time. I could have bought a HD or whatever. I wear jeans,my tourmaster Jet jacket if need be. Firstgear boots,because their waterproof, That's all i will wear ,wet feet suck.And a Scorpion half helmet most of the time. This goes whether i'm on the LC or the LT.So my mix/match is not exactly a fashion statement.

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I just got back from Tennesee. I rode the Dragon 3 times. And the Cherohala skyway, The Blueridge ,28. Wow it was a blast. The LT always performs well on the Dragon. It's amazing how it nimble it is for a big bike.
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I just got back from Tennesee. I rode the Dragon 3 times. And the Cherohala skyway, The Blueridge ,28. Wow it was a blast. The LT always performs well on the Dragon. It's amazing how it nimble it is for a big bike.
That area has some great roads and the LT is a great bike to ride them on.

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Yep. It sure is. And it will go from that to eating miles at 80mph on the superslab. I do need a custom seat. It's a bit painful after 300 miles. Even with Jpegs.

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