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post #1 of 25 Old Aug 29th, 2016, 5:48 pm Thread Starter
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The cow bell has arrived

After 55,000 miles, my rear rotor has developed cowbellitus.

I have been perusing past threads and replacing with EBC seems like the easiest solution, albeit not the least expensive. My rotor is in great shape and I hate to trash it due only to noise, but as many of you know, it is a very annoying noise.

I have read about a few other solution attempts such as high-temp RTV, shoe goo (never heard of that), metal shims and replacing a couple of the rivets with screws/bolts. What I don't know is if any of these solutions had any longevity.

If anyone has a solution that lasted more than 10,000 miles, and didn't adversely affect braking, please let me know. I like the idea of replacing the rivets with screws, but I don't know how important the "float" is.

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I have a 2007 and it came new with a 10 bolt rotor. There was a recall for the cowbell noise and mine was changed under warranty to a five bolt rotor. I'm not entirely sure what all was involved as far as new parts required for this change but the cowbell went away. I'm wondering if you ever had yours upgraded to the five bolt, not that the bastards would fix it now anyway. I plan to get the EBC whenever mine needs replacing.

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I have a 2007 and it came new with a 10 bolt rotor. There was a recall for the cowbell noise and mine was changed under warranty to a five bolt rotor. I'm not entirely sure what all was involved as far as new parts required for this change but the cowbell went away. I'm wondering if you ever had yours upgraded to the five bolt, not that the bastards would fix it now anyway. I plan to get the EBC whenever mine needs replacing.
Same here although my issue was squeal, not cow bell. So, I have had the five bolt rotor for probably 50,000 of the 55,000 on my LT. So, it will be EBC for me also if I am unable to find a way to salvage the OEM rotor.

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Re: The cow bell has arrived

Just curious what the thickness of yours is. I had one go to the limits and I swapped it with a used one, then that one went clanky on me and I put on a used EBC. So far it is working well and well within limits.

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Just curious what the thickness of yours is. I had one go to the limits and I swapped it with a used one, then that one went clanky on me and I put on a used EBC. So far it is working well and well within limits.
0.272" +/- at the OD where the pads don't ride.
0.262" +/- near the center of the swept area.

Not sure the specs. Will have to look them up tomorrow.

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0.272" +/- at the OD where the pads don't ride.
0.262" +/- near the center of the swept area.

Not sure the specs. Will have to look them up tomorrow.
I purchased my replacement from Amazon. It was less than BBY

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I purchased my replacement from Amazon. It was less than BBY

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I just checked the EBC catalog and they have a note that this rotor is made from billet steel. I assume that means not SS, but it really isn't clear to me. Do you know if the EBC rotor is stainless? Any rust issues?

Also, I see that the catalog lists different front rotors for 97 - 10/00 (were LTs really made before 99?), 11/00 to 07, and then 07-09 models. And they don't list a front rotor for the 07-09 model years.

I thought the iABS came on in 01 or so and stayed the same until end of production. Any idea why they show a change at 07 and don't list front rotors for 07-09?

Just making sure before I place my order for the rear (kind of want SS) and looking at the fronts as they may need changed as they pulse badly when stopping. Still on the original front pads at 55,000 miles, but the pulsing is getting annoying...

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I just checked the EBC catalog and they have a note that this rotor is made from billet steel. I assume that means not SS, but it really isn't clear to me. Do you know if the EBC rotor is stainless? Any rust issues?

Also, I see that the catalog lists different front rotors for 97 - 10/00 (were LTs really made before 99?), 11/00 to 07, and then 07-09 models. And they don't list a front rotor for the 07-09 model years.

I thought the iABS came on in 01 or so and stayed the same until end of production. Any idea why they show a change at 07 and don't list front rotors for 07-09?

Just making sure before I place my order for the rear (kind of want SS) and looking at the fronts as they may need changed as they pulse badly when stopping. Still on the original front pads at 55,000 miles, but the pulsing is getting annoying...
Before I posted, I checked MAX and they list the same rear PN for both 99-04 and 05 09 both ABS and I-ABS. I know the front is different though but the rear is the same. The BMW rear caliper can be used on the Brembo rear as a substitute but not the front.

01 34 21 7 711 093 REAR BRAKE DISC - ABS 6.61 1 $570.42

I have no idea if it is SS or not. So far, I have no rust issues but I also garage keep it and don't ride in the rain.

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Before I posted, I checked MAX and they list the same rear PN for both 99-04 and 05 09 both ABS and I-ABS. I know the front is different though but the rear is the same. The BMW rear caliper can be used on the Brembo rear as a substitute but not the front.

01 34 21 7 711 093 REAR BRAKE DISC - ABS 6.61 1 $570.42

I have no idea if it is SS or not. So far, I have no rust issues but I also garage keep it and don't ride in the rain.
Dont ride a BMW in the rain? That's heresy!


I garage keep mine also, but ride in the rain fairly often.

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Dont ride a BMW in the rain? That's heresy!


I garage keep mine also, but ride in the rain fairly often.
Well, it just hasn't come to that yet.

Since I normally go 2up, rain in the forecast is not a desirable by the pillion so indoor activities win out.

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Well, it just hasn't come to that yet.

Since I normally go 2up, rain in the forecast is not a desirable by the pillion so indoor activities win out.
That's just wrong!


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That's just wrong!

So far, heat more than rain has kept me off the roads on solo ventures. Over 70 days this year above 90. I want to wear out some rubber but I don't want to melt it off
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So far, heat more than rain has kept me off the roads on solo ventures. Over 70 days this year above 90. I want to wear out some rubber but I don't want to melt it off
But the tires are so grippy when it's above 90.

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Just got a EBC. Plan on installing soon.

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But the tires are so grippy when it's above 90.
Grippy is fine but pillion doesn't like to be drippy rain or shine

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0.272" +/- at the OD where the pads don't ride.
0.262" +/- near the center of the swept area.

Not sure the specs. Will have to look them up tomorrow.
The old one I took off is 0.272 in the center and was not warped when pulled. It did not cow bell on me but I did have a screeching metal on metal ( not squealing) sound under some rear breaking but there are no signs of abnormal contact anywhere. so I don't know the actual source of the sound. It was like worn out pads, metal on metal.

I tried to remove the screws with heat but they did not come lose so I drilled off the heads believing I would never use it again. I can ship it if you want it. No timing ring but locktite would hold it on i bet.
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Re EBC and "rust"... a few years back the boys at BBY told me they didn't stock the EBC fronts because of concerns over rust.
So I bought some from another US supplier, turns out they were mismatched rotors, eventually EBC UK shipped me some new ones, matched and correct spec.
Several years later (and not a lot of extra k's put on the LT) and living in a high humidity area close to the sea (like, within 1 mile of the ocean) and there are still no signs of rust on the fronts. I would happily put an EBC on the rear if/when I need to.

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The old one I took off is 0.272 in the center and was not warped when pulled. It did not cow bell on me but I did have a screeching metal on metal ( not squealing) sound under some rear breaking but there are no signs of abnormal contact anywhere. so I don't know the actual source of the sound. It was like worn out pads, metal on metal.

I tried to remove the screws with heat but they did not come lose so I drilled off the heads believing I would never use it again. I can ship it if you want it. No timing ring but locktite would hold it on i bet.
I appreciate the offer, but I pulled the trigger on my Amazon order yesterday and my EBC will be here Thursday or Friday. I figured for $140 and change it was worth going new. I may still try to salvage my original as a winter project, but didn't want the downtime during riding season. Lost too much time already with the nearly six week long clutch repair. Then again, I did much more then clutch (Wilbers, Speigkers, full throttle body removal and deep clean, etc.), but it was still too much downtime at the start of riding season.

I have been watching videos on moving the ABS ring and that looks like fun. Once the screws are removed/ground off, I think I am going to freeze the assembly and then hit the ring with a torch and see how that works. I may check BBY and eBay to see if I can buy just a sensor ring alone. That would make keeping the original as a spare much easier.

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I wish i saw this post earlier as I have 2 EBC front rotors I bought for my 09. I ended up going with Lucas because you could buy a bobbin kit for the floating aspect. Messy mechanic that I am I lost a few of the bobbin parts I took off the originals.If anyone need front rotors I have 2 unused... OOPPS my bad I see it's rear rotor talk. I went with EBC rear but haven't ridden yet. But I do have 2 fronts for sale
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I appreciate the offer, but I pulled the trigger on my Amazon order yesterday and my EBC will be here Thursday or Friday. I figured for $140 and change it was worth going new. I may still try to salvage my original as a winter project, but didn't want the downtime during riding season. Lost too much time already with the nearly six week long clutch repair. Then again, I did much more then clutch (Wilbers, Speigkers, full throttle body removal and deep clean, etc.), but it was still too much downtime at the start of riding season.

I have been watching videos on moving the ABS ring and that looks like fun. Once the screws are removed/ground off, I think I am going to freeze the assembly and then hit the ring with a torch and see how that works. I may check BBY and eBay to see if I can buy just a sensor ring alone. That would make keeping the original as a spare much easier.
It wasn't too bad getting the old ring off but I was doing it in the middle of winter and standing out in freezing weather trying to heat the screws and ring with a torch. It couldn't happen fast enough but still, wasn't too bad.

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I had the same problem with my 1998 r 1200 c. From the chromehead forum I tried this wrap each rivet with 3-4 use an equal amount of dental floss. 10,000 miles and still no cowbell.
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I changed out all discs and abs ring heat was all I needed.

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I wish i saw this post earlier as I have 2 EBC front rotors I bought for my 09. I ended up going with Lucas because you could buy a bobbin kit for the floating aspect. Messy mechanic that I am I lost a few of the bobbin parts I took off the originals.If anyone need front rotors I have 2 unused... OOPPS my bad I see it's rear rotor talk. I went with EBC rear but haven't ridden yet. But I do have 2 fronts for sale
Are you saying the EBC rotors are missing parts? Or are the factory bobbins typically used again. I have not had my front rotors off so I am not yet familiar with how they go together.

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Are you saying the EBC rotors are missing parts? Or are the factory bobbins typically used again. I have not had my front rotors off so I am not yet familiar with how they go together.
I recently had to pull off a front rotor to replace a broken sensor ring. If the new rotors do not come with a new set of bobbins ( roll pins in the MAX Fiche), I don't see an issue with reusing the old ones unless they are badly worn. I just cleaned the loctite off and used the same roll pins, wave washers and screws with new loctite. Max does not note that these need to be replaced every time they are removed like the clutch bolts.

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Well, my EBC rear rotor arrived yesterday and I put it on today. It went fairly well. I heated each ring retainer screw for about 5 minutes with my heat gun. All three came out with no damage to the hex heads. I should have chilled the disk before removing the ring, but it was already hot from screw removal so I thought I would try more heat and pry on it. It finally came loose, but I did round a few of the teeth a little, but likely not enough to cause trouble. I think chilling and then heating the ring would be better.

I chilled the new disk and heated the ring to 300 in the oven. The ring dropped on with probably 0.010" of slop. I was afraid it might not tighten up, but 10 minutes later it was tight. Then I hit the snag...

I purchased a set or rear pads from BBY last May when I did my clutch as I saw I would need new pads in a few thousand miles. I did not realize they sold sintered pads rather than the proper organic pads. I have a set of BBY pads on the rear now and missed that they were sintered when I put them on four years ago. That explains why my rotor scored and wore so fast these past 27,000 miles as compared to the first 27,000 on the OEM organic pads. It was very smooth after the first pads wore out, but is heavily scored and worn almost to the limit now.

I have emailed BBY to see if they will take these pads back since I saw the sintered note this time before opening the package, but I am well past their 14 day return period. I have ordered several times from them, but never got a wrong part before. I checked their web site and it wasn't an order error. They actually list a sintered pad for the LT rear and I am quite sure that is a wrong part for this application. The instructions with the new EBC rotor are adamant that this billet, as opposed to rolled and hardened, steel rotor is too soft for sintered pads. They recommend only organic or their V pad which is described as "semi sintered", but say in big red font that sintered pads are "OFF limits" and will void their warranty.

Anyone want to make me an offer on a set of new, unopened Carbone Lorraine pads part 2987RX?

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