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While on my merry way back home to Texas from the Hamburg, NY national we were between Akron and Columbus Ohio when, while doing 73 mph on cruise in fifth gear my revs shot up to about 7500 and the bike slowed down. I dropped it into 4th and limped 15 miles into Ashland Ohio. We are in a motel room and I guess I'll be looking for a U-Haul that will hold both bikes and my bunkhouse trailer. Since the contaminant is engine oil (I know this from the weep hole I drilled) I'm going to assume I've been "O" ringed. I really did not want to do this job with only 26,000 miles on the clock. I guess the "high" quality BMW O-ring hardened up over 16 years and decided to fail. That's my luck, I do every premptive repair that I can and still get bit. OK time for a glass of wine or three.

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Tough luck, sorry to hear.. good luck with hauling everything home.

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Can you nurse it home without the trailer ?. I rode mine for 2 years before I fixed it. I know someone near where you could keep the camper.

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Can you nurse it home without the trailer ?. I rode mine for 2 years before I fixed it. I know someone near where you could keep the camper.
Thanks Dave, I really appreciate the phone call. As I said to you in our conversation, I'm losing too much oil to try to limp it that far. If I did not have time constraints I would give it a try and keep pouring oil into it.

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Thanks Dave, I really appreciate the phone call. As I said to you in our conversation, I'm losing too much oil to try to limp it that far. If I did not have time constraints I would give it a try and keep pouring oil into it.

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Do you have the tools to do the job?

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While on my merry way back home to Texas from the Hamburg, NY national we were between Akron and Columbus Ohio when, while doing 73 mph on cruise in fifth gear my revs shot up to about 7500 and the bike slowed down. I dropped it into 4th and limped 15 miles into Ashland Ohio. We are in a motel room and I guess I'll be looking for a U-Haul that will hold both bikes and my bunkhouse trailer. Since the contaminant is engine oil (I know this from the weep hole I drilled) I'm going to assume I've been "O" ringed. I really did not want to do this job with only 26,000 miles on the clock. I guess the "high" quality BMW O-ring hardened up over 16 years and decided to fail. That's my luck, I do every premptive repair that I can and still get bit. OK time for a glass of wine or three.

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I feel your pain. The good news is you can do this job if you desire. Lots of help here and just take lots of pictures!

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If he doesn't, he will make them.

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So... on a positive note and other than the LT pooping out on you, how was the rally???

Good riding and good vendors?

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Ouch. Sorry to hear this happened to you, Scout. I'll be taking my LT to Canada next week. I'll have my fingers crossed.

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So... on a positive note and other than the LT pooping out on you, how was the rally???

Good riding and good vendors?
Rally was great. 6100 attendees, nice weather (for the most part), roads and area very good. Met and camped with lots of old friends and met some new ones. I was amazed by the number of K1200LTs there. The number of camper trailers being pulled by bikes was surprising. This was our 11th national. Quite a few vendors, not too many great deals but there were some.

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Do you have the tools to do the job?
Gordon, I've got most of the tools. Ill check what I'm missing when I get home and probably fab up what I need. Thanks for asking. I remember there being a list somewhere on this forum. I made up a lot of the drawings (with much help from other members) for the tools and they are posted here.

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Gordon, I've got most of the tools. Ill check what I'm missing when I get home and probably fab up what I need. Thanks for asking. I remember there being a list somewhere on this forum. I made up a lot of the drawings (with much help from other members) for the tools and they are posted here.

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Learn something new about people every day. Yep, posted in the Tools > Technical > Files area and I see your credits on the file.

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Gordon, I've got most of the tools. Ill check what I'm missing when I get home and probably fab up what I need. Thanks for asking. I remember there being a list somewhere on this forum. I made up a lot of the drawings (with much help from other members) for the tools and they are posted here.

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I for one am thankful for your work. I used the hold bar drawing to have mine fabricated. With a little fine tuning of the points on the bar, it fit like a glove and prevented rotation in either direction to a fine tolerance.

The only minor issue was the discrepancy between the angles and the linear dimensions for the two ends. Got my fab shop confused, but he used the linear dimensions and ignored the angles and it came out perfectly.

Good luck with your project. I plan to follow your posts, should you take time to post, so I can relive my agony of May!

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Gordon, I've got most of the tools. Ill check what I'm missing when I get home and probably fab up what I need. Thanks for asking. I remember there being a list somewhere on this forum. I made up a lot of the drawings (with much help from other members) for the tools and they are posted here.

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I've got Viton O-rings if you need one of those. would be happy to send one N/C if you don't have any.
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Wow, sorry to hear that but at least you got to a safe place without problems.

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That sucks. Glad to hear that you managed to limp it to a good stopping point.

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Diagnosis update!

I had to limp from the motel to the U-haul store. As I started to leave I heard some crunchy noises out of the trans. At first I thought my drive shaft rubber had let loose. I continued on slowly for about five miles with intermittent bad noises. When I got to the U-haul store I could no longer shift up or down. I stuck my finger in a small puddle of oil and smelled a faint wiff of hypoid oil. More poop. I would like youse guys to weigh in on cause/effect. I have some thoughts on the matter but I will hold back for more info.

On another note, The U-haul place was extremely accommodating. The owner backed the truck up to a berm in his yard and had the ramp out before I got there. I limped the LT up the ramp then rode my wife's bike up. The owner then went and got his 4-wheeler ramps so we could load the trailer into the truck. Could not ask for more, great people.

The saga continues, we are in Kentucky now.
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Diagnosis update!

I had to limp from the motel to the U-haul store. As I started to leave I heard some crunchy noises out of the trans. At first I thought my drive shaft rubber had let loose. I continued on slowly for about five miles with intermittent bad noises. When I got to the U-haul store I could no longer shift up or down. I stuck my finger in a small puddle of oil and smelled a faint wiff of hypoid oil. More poop. I would like youse guys to weigh in on cause/effect. I have some thoughts on the matter but I will hold back for more info.

On another note, The U-haul place was extremely accommodating. The owner backed the truck up to a berm in his yard and had the ramp out before I got there. I limped the LT up the ramp then rode my wife's bike up. The owner then went and got his 4-wheeler ramps so we could load the trailer into the truck. Could not ask for more, great people.

The saga continues, we are in Kentucky now.
I don't know if that is one of the signs of input bearing failure or not. You have now confirmed 2 types of oil leaking so it will be interesting to see whats up when you get it home.

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I don't know if that is one of the signs of input bearing failure or not. You have now confirmed 2 types of oil leaking so it will be interesting to see whats up when you get it home.
I may have be mistaken on the engine oil. Time will tell.

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I may have be mistaken on the engine oil. Time will tell.

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It would be good if it is only one type of oil but that is not the type of oil you want to see along with a grinding noise.

Safe journey home.

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I continued on slowly for about five miles with intermittent bad noises. When I got to the U-haul store I could no longer shift up or down. I stuck my finger in a small puddle of oil and smelled a faint wiff of hypoid oil. More poop. I would like youse guys to weigh in on cause/effect. I have some thoughts on the matter but I will hold back for more info.
The first input shaft our rig ate kind of sounded like that. I took that gear box apart to find the balls on the front input shaft bearing had ate all the way thru the race, & then was eating part of the shaft. it ate part of the torshion spring retainer, & it lost presher letting the shaft move in and out. That let it eat part of the gear that moves power to the interment shaft. after it ate enough of the gear in lost all forward power. .I was stuck where it stopped. I was able to limp off I-69 , up a ramp, & into the local police station parking lot.

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Made it to Arkadelphia for the night. Should be home tomorrow. Wow are the roads rough in Cincinatti and through Kentucky and Tennessee. Arkansas is pretty good.

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Made it home. Still not happy with BMW. A transmission failure with only 26K is unacceptable. $1500 truck rental, $115 in tie downs and 8.7 fuel mileage for 1300 miles. Rant over, now to deal with family issues. I will post findings.

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Made it home. Still not happy with BMW. A transmission failure with only 26K is unacceptable. $1500 truck rental, $115 in tie downs and 8.7 fuel mileage for 1300 miles. Rant over, now to deal with family issues. I will post findings.

Thanks for listening, Robert.
I am glad you made it home with only BIWT (BMW induced wallet trauma).

I share your pain. My LT has averaged probably $400/year in repairs or preventive measures (Jiffy-Tites, FIBIB, etc.) including FD rebuild three years ago and my recent clutch repair, which may have to be repeated to fix clutch chatter.

Kawasaki really spoiled me for 30 years with three nearly repair free bikes. If they only hadn't discontinued making real touring bikes and moved to the Harley clones.

I love my LT when it is working well, but that has been less than 20% of its 54,000 miles. And every time one thing is sorted out, something new pops up to take its place. Unfortunately, I keep looking for something better, but as yet have found nothing.

I have rented two K1600s, a GTL and recently a GTLE, and they just don't do it for me. Clunky shifting, sloppy drive train and lousy weather protection for hands and feet.

The closest was the Yamaha FJR1300A. With the addition of cruise, I thought this would be a contender. Super engine, perfectly calibrated FI, silky transmission, tight drive train and decent seat. But seriously lacking in weather protection and with lousy passenger accommodations. If I was a solo traveler, I would ride an FJR.

I keep hoping Kawasaki will add cruise to the C14. I think that could then be a real contender. But for now, I keep pouring money into my LT and continue searching for a competent replacement that is engineered and assembled for long-term reliability.

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Was checking out after market availability of this 25X52X15 sealed bearing and there are plenty but I don't know if this is a C3 like the crown bearing or is it a different " normal" spec? So far, I have not been able to determine this with searches. I do see that there is a shim at one end of the output shaft though. Both ends of the shaft have the same bearing on it so is there a better quality bearing that can be had for this application than what is sold from BMW? If I pulled it all apart or even bought a spare tranny, I would be tempted to just go ahead and replace them both with the best quality I could find seeing the one the mother ship used seems to leave something to be desired in many cases. I agree with Scooter, 26k is unacceptable for a bearing in this application. The teeth should wear off before that bearing should fail.

Update: OK, I found some documentation on the TM205 pictured on MAX and it looks to be a C3 SPEC bearing. So, Chrome steel, Stainless or is Ceramic an option?

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And another thing. There is a shim on the input shaft to set the spacing between the bearings I would assume so that it is tight in the case. Is this another case of being shimmed incorrectly causing these input shaft bearing failures like the FD crown bearing? I have not seen any discussion on that on any threads i have read yet.

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Was checking out after market availability of this 25X52X15 sealed bearing and there are plenty but I don't know if this is a C3 like the crown bearing or is it a different " normal" spec? So far, I have not been able to determine this with searches. I do see that there is a shim at one end of the output shaft though. Both ends of the shaft have the same bearing on it so is there a better quality bearing that can be had for this application than what is sold from BMW? If I pulled it all apart or even bought a spare tranny, I would be tempted to just go ahead and replace them both with the best quality I could find seeing the one the mother ship used seems to leave something to be desired in many cases. I agree with Scooter, 26k is unacceptable for a bearing in this application. The teeth should wear off before that bearing should fail.

Update: OK, I found some documentation on the TM205 pictured on MAX and it looks to be a C3 SPEC bearing. So, Chrome steel, Stainless or is Ceramic an option?
Gordon, I am very partial to SKF bearings. They hold up very well in my work applications and I always change out the un-sealed/shielded bearings to sealed bearings. We had too many failures with the re-greasable bearings, either from over greasing or quality issues. Are you sure that this bearing is sealed? Seems odd to me in a oil bath transmission, but I know BMW has done stranger things. The C3 spec is just a clearance spec if I remember correctly. If you have a spare Viton o-ring I would appreciate it. Did you have a number on the bearing? Even if I have to replace the transmission with a used one I will still change out the bearings. I'm mostly worried about the internals of the trans. I cannot get it to shift up or down now.

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I am glad you made it home with only BIWT (BMW induced wallet trauma).

I share your pain. My LT has averaged probably $400/year in repairs or preventive measures (Jiffy-Tites, FIBIB, etc.) including FD rebuild three years ago and my recent clutch repair, which may have to be repeated to fix clutch chatter.

Kawasaki really spoiled me for 30 years with three nearly repair free bikes. If they only hadn't discontinued making real touring bikes and moved to the Harley clones.

I love my LT when it is working well, but that has been less than 20% of its 54,000 miles. And every time one thing is sorted out, something new pops up to take its place. Unfortunately, I keep looking for something better, but as yet have found nothing.

I have rented two K1600s, a GTL and recently a GTLE, and they just don't do it for me. Clunky shifting, sloppy drive train and lousy weather protection for hands and feet.

The closest was the Yamaha FJR1300A. With the addition of cruise, I thought this would be a contender. Super engine, perfectly calibrated FI, silky transmission, tight drive train and decent seat. But seriously lacking in weather protection and with lousy passenger accommodations. If I was a solo traveler, I would ride an FJR.

I keep hoping Kawasaki will add cruise to the C14. I think that could then be a real contender. But for now, I keep pouring money into my LT and continue searching for a competent replacement that is engineered and assembled for long-term reliability.

Best of luck with your tear down and repair.
Matt, you've got me thinking. There is a Yamaha shop in my little town but I think the only thing he stocks are 4 wheelers, cruisers and dirt bikes. I only ride solo as my wife rides her own bike. I wonder if a trailer hitch is available. Since I bought my K1200LT with less than 8,000 miles I have done the following:

cannisterectomy
un plugged the airbox sensor
replaced the in tank fuel lines and filter
replaced the fuel gauge sending unit
drilled the weep holes
replaced the clutch slave
changed the brake lines to Spielers and added speed bleeders
Adjusted the valves to maximum clearance
changed the spark plugs
three rear tires and two fronts
metal valve stems
installed a trailer hitch with wiring and relays
welded gussets to the center stand
bought a spare final drive and sent it to Saddleman and installed it
installed Eastern Beaver relay box
did the Ford starter relay
installed PIIA lights with a Autoswitch
hardwired Garmin plugs
installed a cigarette power outlet in the right dash

I have kept up with all the normal maintenance.
The bike now has 26,000 miles, I think my cost per mile is horrendous even if i discount my labor. This aint no airhead.

Oh well, onward and upward.

Robert

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Gordon, I am very partial to SKF bearings. They hold up very well in my work applications and I always change out the un-sealed/shielded bearings to sealed bearings. We had too many failures with the re-greasable bearings, either from over greasing or quality issues. Are you sure that this bearing is sealed? Seems odd to me in a oil bath transmission, but I know BMW has done stranger things. The C3 spec is just a clearance spec if I remember correctly. If you have a spare Viton o-ring I would appreciate it. Did you have a number on the bearing? Even if I have to replace the transmission with a used one I will still change out the bearings. I'm mostly worried about the internals of the trans. I cannot get it to shift up or down now.

Thanks, Robert
Send me a PM with your address and I will get one out pronto.

As for the bearing PN I was referencing, I may have been looking at the wrong shaft but the bearings in the pictures for both shafts show as sealed. The 176 bearing is the one at the input end of the shaft. 175 is the internal other end embedded in the cover.

23 12 2 330 176 GROOVED BALL BEARING - 20X47X14

23 12 2 330 175 GROOVED BALL BEARING - 17X35X10

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Send me a PM with your address and I will get one out pronto.

As for the bearing PN I was referencing, I may have been looking at the wrong shaft but the bearings in the pictures for both shafts show as sealed. The 176 bearing is the one at the input end of the shaft. 175 is the internal other end embedded in the cover.

23 12 2 330 176 GROOVED BALL BEARING - 20X47X14

23 12 2 330 175 GROOVED BALL BEARING - 17X35X10

Pictures from MAX attached. I noted that in Kirks video, the bearings were sealed as he pulled the shafts out.
Thanks, Gordon. PM Sent. I will check with my supplier when I go back to work. (Only 71 days to retirement).

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Yeah it sounds like the input shaft bearing. You also know I pull a trailer. Since the input shaft gear is the only angle cut gear in the box I decided to see what made the bearing to load up and fail. What I determined IMHO is that decelerating in gear causes the shaft to load the bearing. With the extra weight of the trailer it would keep the bearing loaded longer in the higher gears and shock it more as I downshifted. After repairing mine I have adopted the practice of using the brakes more and stopping quicker or pulling in the clutch while slowing down. I no longer rely on the transmission to slow the bike when I am pulling the trailer unless I'm in the lower gears going slow. Just like a failing clutch, the load is higher in the higher gears. That is why a bad clutch slips in 5th gear. Good luck on your repairs.
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