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post #1 of 18 Old Oct 18th, 2006, 8:51 am Thread Starter
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How full is full??

On my new '06 LT I have been fueling her on the center stand but have been cautious as I have seen here to be careful not to over fill re flooding a cannister of some kind. So I have been filling until the gas is at the bottom of the throat deal in the tank where the gas pump nozzle goes in. But then the fuel gauge says about 4/5 full.


How full is full???

Would like to get some good mpgs to adjust the computer...

Thanks!

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post #2 of 18 Old Oct 18th, 2006, 8:56 am
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On my new '06 LT I have been fueling her on the center stand but have been cautious as I have seen here to be careful not to over fill re flooding a cannister of some kind. So I have been filling until the gas is at the bottom of the throat deal in the tank where the gas pump nozzle goes in. But then the fuel gauge says about 4/5 full.


How full is full???

Would like to get some good mpgs to adjust the computer...

Thanks!

Gene
Howdy, Gene -

I do what you do as far as filling to the bottom of the throat area; however, I *always* fill while Toad is on the sidestand. Not sure how much more the tank holds by using this method over the centerstand method, butt my dash gauge alwayz reads full when I'm capped up and have reset the OBC.
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Thanks Dick. I will try that on the next tank.

The gas gauge and BC are neat but the pessimist in me still relies on the trip meter. It is an ingrained part of the gas stop ritual. Fill the tank-Zero the trip meter...

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fill' er up

I tried side- and centerstand numerous times and found I can fill the most when on the sidestand. The best I can do is get the right edge of needle to reach the left edge of the mark. Drives me nuts but I'd rather have that then cause a problem with overfilling.
Interesting conversation here, among others:
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14768

Regardless, you can still do the calculations while at the pump. Just divide miles (from tripometer) by the amount you refill. Even though it's not full, you still get miles per gallon consumed. That's how I adjusted my BC; now, it's nearly spot on.
Just in case you don't have it:
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/faq.php?...lt_faq_bcreset

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Thanks Dick. I will try that on the next tank.

The gas gauge and BC are neat but the pessimist in me still relies on the trip meter. It is an ingrained part of the gas stop ritual. Fill the tank-Zero the trip meter...

Gene
Know what you mean Gene. Been doing it that way for over forty years, why change now? Plus it gives you a redundant gas gauge once you get to know the habits of the beast! As far as topping her off goes, side stand is the only way! On the center stand it just can't fill in the upper space due to the placement of the filler neck.

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As far as I can remmember, the manual says that we need to fill it on the sidestand.
I've been doing it but the max I got the needle to be was one needle bellow the full line.
If you fill with the bike on a up hill position you got more gas, but also a higher chance to flood the caniester.

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Fill her on the side stand until full to the filler hole in the neck... Then give her a little shake and put a little more in.. You just want to avoid getting fuel down the vent line to the canister.....Or do a canisterectomy and don't worry about it any more....

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Like others said, you'll get a bit more in on the side stand.

My concern is more like how empty is empty? I tend to run mine down pretty far every time I ride, so I always fill as much as possible. I'll often put in over 6 gallons at a fuel stop. I've removed the canister so that isn't a concern. Sometimes gas expands as it heats up, but that just means I need to get back on and ride to create some air space in the tank.

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Thanks for the responses guys. There is a lot to learn about this beast. rjhammetter appreciate the link to the directions for recalibrating the mpg. I knew I had seen it but could not remember how I found it. Printed it this time..
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Just to put things into perspecitive: Most Harleys have a gas gauge with two settings: Full or Empty. I always use the trip meter to guage when I will actually need gas. Use the gauge and you can find yourself out of gas on the side of the road. Happened once, lesson learned.

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...I tend to run mine down pretty far every time I ride...
I rode with some guys this weekend that did that also. It scared me to get below 1/4. All of the years that I have been driving and riding, I have never been below 1/4 until this weekend. I would rather not add that stress to my life and just fill up around 1/4 and not have to worry about how far I can go on the fumes that I have left. The same goes with calculating MPG. Maybe I'm too stupid to do the math.

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I rode with some guys this weekend that did that also. It scared me to get below 1/4. All of the years that I have been driving and riding, I have never been below 1/4 until this weekend. I would rather not add that stress to my life and just fill up around 1/4 and not have to worry about how far I can go on the fumes that I have left. The same goes with calculating MPG. Maybe I'm too stupid to do the math.
I agree with not really wanting to push it to the limit unless I have no choice. Now Ken can speak with the voice of authority about how far till she runs out, can't you Ken? A little remote part of Eastern Oregon, high speeds and possibly some wind thrown in for good measure can certainly ruin one's day.

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Yep, I've come close a few times, but only ever ran out once. I could see the town, just couldn't quite reach it. Believe me, the GT will have an aux fuel tank fitted pretty quickly. Then I can get a whole lot further before running out.

But we can stop earlier on the way to Ft Bragg if it makes everyone more comfortable. I'll be sure to wait up for y'all at the next gas station.

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LOL lets talk about a Harley. My Electra Glide reads full with the needle against the peg until 70 miles pass then plummets like a home sick brick until it rests on the other peg and remains for the next 120 miles.

Like most of you I fill my LT on the side stand, but after reading all this I filled it as usual then put it up on the center stand. No big change, the fuel appeared to be a bit lower in the tank, but not significantly.

My LT seems to be very accurate and when the low fuel light comes on it will take 5 gals + a bit. The max I have ridden was 315 miles and I sure was looking for the next gas station. The needle had gone all the way to the bottom and was resting on the peg that prevents it from going any lower. I believe it took 6.2 or 6.3 gallons and the fuel pump was making lots of noise.

Like someone else said, I have enough stress in my life and prefer not to add more, so when the light comes on or I see 275 I begin looking for fuel.

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Yep, I've come close a few times, but only ever ran out once. I could see the town, just couldn't quite reach it. Believe me, the GT will have an aux fuel tank fitted pretty quickly. Then I can get a whole lot further before running out.

But we can stop earlier on the way to Ft Bragg if it makes everyone more comfortable. I'll be sure to wait up for y'all at the next gas station.
In reference to the Fort Bragg ride: Tk U Ken!

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Know what you mean Gene. Been doing it that way for over forty years, why change now? Plus it gives you a redundant gas gauge once you get to know the habits of the beast! As far as topping her off goes, side stand is the only way! On the center stand it just can't fill in the upper space due to the placement of the filler neck.

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... to the primary gauge - the trip odometer; the fuel gauge is a sanity check. It must must be an age thing.
The problem with the pee gauge is that the time between stops keeps getting shorter.

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To reply to meese's question, how empty is empty. When the digital display goes to four dashes (no longer registers a milage number) it's time to stop. you've got <8 miles left. The analog display varies bike to bike more than the digital does. Done this lotsa times (livin on the edge)
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The miles-to-go display on the BC goes to --- with 10 miles remaining. I've pushed it to almost 25 miles a couple of times, but I don't recommend it.

My low fuel light comes on at almost exactly one gallon remaining, unless it's recently been parked on the side stand.

FWIW, I usually fill up around 240 miles (overall average of 40 mpg). Maybe 260 if I'm feeling lucky. I've only gotten over 300 miles on a tank once. That was at CCR Jackson Lake, where we did a lot of 45 mph riding through the parks.

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