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Today I made the decision to purchase the parts and make the needed and soon needed repairs. Owning a 99 lt with 45K on the meter, I have been contemplating trading in for a new one but since it will be paid for in 10 months I decided to keep her. Needing replacement shocks and the rebuild of the problematic clutch slave cylinder, I went to Victory BMW during their October Fest event. First, I inquired on the cost of the slave cylinder replacement, about $100.00. Then I inquired on Ohlin shocks, front and rear. After a 10% reduction because of the event, the Ohlins, with heavy springs came to $1398 after tax. Plus I got a $100 gift certificate to use at the store anytime. There covering the purchase of the slave cylinder. I really do not think that I got a bad deal. What do you all think?

Now, I need to get the 30mm socket. My question there, is it that much cheeper to buy one OTC at a non BMW facility and have someone machine the cuts in it to be able to insert the allen wrench, or should I just go to BMW and buy their socket? I do have someone with a milling machine that I could get the cuts completed, he is here locally but the cost of time and gas running and asking him to complete the cuts may be more that just buying the socket outright from BMW. Plus how big and exactly where are they located on the socket to do it right? I have all the tools needed to do the job.

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If you can buy the BMW factory socket, sounds good, and it's as strong as you would ever need. But I find the dealers very reluctant to part with the factory tools. Geting a 30mm socket cut down to suit was quite cheap, and well worth the effort.

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I have access to the machine shop at work, and was a tool and die maker myself for several years, so there was little question which way to go. The socket itself was about $9.

The tool from BMW is likely going to be very expensive, IF you can even find a dealer that will sell it to you.

I wanted the BMW valve spring compressing tool, it was over $500 from BMW!!!!! I very luckily found one on eBay for $125.

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Uh, Dave....

You have a source for these raw 30mm sockets and maybe a few hours now and then?? Couple of us 'round that'd be willing to handle the shipping, money bits if you wanna handle the cut sockets part.

If you're not wanting to mess, I may well just know a guy who could cut a few...

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Uh, Dave....

You have a source for these raw 30mm sockets and maybe a few hours now and then?? Couple of us 'round that'd be willing to handle the shipping, money bits if you wanna handle the cut sockets part.

If you're not wanting to mess, I may well just know a guy who could cut a few...
Uh, Tate...Uh, David...
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Uh, Dave....

You have a source for these raw 30mm sockets and maybe a few hours now and then?? Couple of us 'round that'd be willing to handle the shipping, money bits if you wanna handle the cut sockets part.

If you're not wanting to mess, I may well just know a guy who could cut a few...
I had not thought of that, but I will look into the prices for sockets again. I could do several of them after work one day.

After I get prices again and decide how much I would do and ship them for, I will take orders.

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I had not thought of that, but I will look into the prices for sockets again. I could do several of them after work one day.

After I get prices again and decide how much I would do and ship them for, I will take orders.
Dave, I need a tool.. whenever my parts come in...

Been in order for over a month..

I would definitely be a customer! and be very appreciative.

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I had not thought of that, but I will look into the prices for sockets again. I could do several of them after work one day.

After I get prices again and decide how much I would do and ship them for, I will take orders.
Hey count me in too. Especially if you can do them in the next 2-4 weeks. I will look around Phoenix for quality sockets and prices as well.

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Glad to spin the wheels a bit. Put me down for one as well!

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Coincidentally, I have been looking into getting a window cut into a new 30mm, six point, deep impact, socket, P/N #35180. My local source, Swift Tools in Kent, WA (253-854-7777,) can purchase the American-made, Allen Co. socket for $20. I have a local machine shop (one man operation) who will machine the window for $20.

Incidentally, I stopped at South Sound BMW in Fife (greater Puget Sound area) and measured the socket and window's dimensions...they even placed the socket on a photocopy machine and created a couple exposures of two angles, the first looking straight down on the window opening and the second view is from the side. One of the six points of the socket is indexed straight up when the cutter was plunged downward to create the window. BMW at Fife lists the part at $181.00 plus 8.9% local tax, so that gives one an idea of how much the socket will cost if they are willing to sell it...didn't ask them...will proceed with my approach, listed above.

Interestingly, when one views the window opening from directly above, the first half of the opening (starting from the six point end) has the socket walls on each side of the socket barrel reduced in thickness to about 1/2 of the rear half of the opening...the reduced walls are about 1/8" thick...I assume this is to allow a wider angle of 12mm Allen wrench movement.

The window begins about 5/8" from the end of the socket. I have the remainder of the window dimensions/shape at my residence...I'm at work.
David Shealey previously provided me with information before I explored the socket source and machining locally.

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Coincidentally, I have been looking into getting a window cut into a new 30mm, six point, deep impact, socket, P/N #35180. My local source, Swift Tools in Kent, WA (253-854-7777,) can purchase the American-made, Allen Co. socket for $20. I have a local machine shop (one man operation) who will machine the window for $20.


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Is a deep impact socket really needed?
Impact sockets are normally 6 point, it is much better to use a standard deep 12 point socket, as the window would have to be awfully wide to allow re-positioning the socket when tightening to keep from contacting the allen wrench.

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I had not thought of that, but I will look into the prices for sockets again. I could do several of them after work one day.

After I get prices again and decide how much I would do and ship them for, I will take orders.
I looked for sockets today, and I was wrong about the $9, that was for the short one I have. The deep one is about $15. Some places wanted $20 or more.

I was thinking I could get some, along with 12 MM long arm allen wrenches, and sell a set of machined socket and allen wrench for around $30 plus shipping. Have not checked weight and postal charges yet. Assuming it will be $4-5 mailing.

Anyone interested at that price?

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Hey Dave,
I am a tool & die maker and have access to machine shop equipment including an EDM machine which may work better than a mill for machining the opening in the socket if you can give me the dimensions or better yet a print or cad file.
I agree that a 12 point would be better than a 6 point socket and I could make a few of these at a time after work as my free time allows and would be glad to help out other members of this board.
Feel free to contact me if I can help out

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Impact sockets are normally 6 point, it is much better to use a standard deep 12 point socket, as the window would have to be awfully wide to allow re-positioning the socket when tightening to keep from contacting the allen wrench.
I was considering purchasing a 6 point as it normally fits the nut at more surface area. I have heard, from the site, that it takes three men and a boy to break loose the nut. As such, the six point may be the better choice for removal. However, the 12 point would definitely be a better choice when applying the proper torque. So they way I look at it. I will take one of the machined 12 points at the estimated price and buy a 6 point for removal.

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I looked for sockets today, and I was wrong about the $9, that was for the short one I have. The deep one is about $15. Some places wanted $20 or more.

I was thinking I could get some, along with 12 MM long arm allen wrenches, and sell a set of machined socket and allen wrench for around $30 plus shipping. Have not checked weight and postal charges yet. Assuming it will be $4-5 mailing.

Anyone interested at that price?
I would buy one just let me know when and where to send the check.
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I was thinking I could get some, along with 12 MM long arm allen wrenches, and sell a set of machined socket and allen wrench for around $30 plus shipping. Have not checked weight and postal charges yet. Assuming it will be $4-5 mailing.

Anyone interested at that price?
Dave, Please put me down for one.

Just say the word and I will get you the cash, check or paypal... whatever works best for you..

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I was considering purchasing a 6 point as it normally fits the nut at more surface area. I have heard, from the site, that it takes three men and a boy to break loose the nut. As such, the six point may be the better choice for removal. However, the 12 point would definitely be a better choice when applying the proper torque. So they way I look at it. I will take one of the machined 12 points at the estimated price and buy a 6 point for removal.
The high breakaway problem is not the 30MM locknuts, but the studs in the front of the swingarm, which use a 12MM socket. Those have been real bears on some bikes.

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Hey Dave,
I am a tool & die maker and have access to machine shop equipment including an EDM machine which may work better than a mill for machining the opening in the socket if you can give me the dimensions or better yet a print or cad file.
I agree that a 12 point would be better than a 6 point socket and I could make a few of these at a time after work as my free time allows and would be glad to help out other members of this board.
Feel free to contact me if I can help out

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EDM would offer no real advantage. Carbide end mills work just fine, and are much faster than EDM. The sockets are very tough, but not all that "hard".

Looks like I will be ordering some sockets next week, after I get a count.

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Just confirming my earlier 'add me to the list' - not a second listing mind you, but at $30ish +sh - I'm in!

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Dave, I'd like one myself, add me to your list also. With all the interest in the sockets and 12 mm allen wrench maybe you should post the link again for the tap that has been used to clean the threads. Just a thought.....

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Might also consider adding a 6" drill bit to the kit, and the tap as an option.
That might be OK but anything that you can buy locally would be just extra work for Dave and jack up the cost of the kit for things you may already have. I would assume that anyone that was going to do this has some tools..

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My thought on the tap was to just include the source or sources where it was available, not include it in the kit. In a previous thread it was stated that it was not usually available because of the thread size and pitch. Not a common stocked item at the local parts place.

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I had not thought of that, but I will look into the prices for sockets again. I could do several of them after work one day.

After I get prices again and decide how much I would do and ship them for, I will take orders.

Hei David,
I would like to buy one too.
Maybe you should open a thread so we can put our names there?

I remmeber Ken (messe) talking about it some threads ago, but it never happen (I guess... Ken... are you there?)

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I looked for sockets today, and I was wrong about the $9, that was for the short one I have. The deep one is about $15. Some places wanted $20 or more.

I was thinking I could get some, along with 12 MM long arm allen wrenches, and sell a set of machined socket and allen wrench for around $30 plus shipping. Have not checked weight and postal charges yet. Assuming it will be $4-5 mailing.

Anyone interested at that price?

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I have had to take the rear drive off several times. slave valve, clutch.and final drive bearing. The only socket issue I had was breaking every 14 mm socket I own. I went to harbor freight and got 2 sets of impact sockets ( 30 mm included) for less than $25. The tool you are looking for is not required. Just mark the inner plug, as you tighten the outer plug, check the inner one often. If it moves, move it back. The right side will never move. You only have to worry about the left.
I'm a retired helicotper mechanic, must of the factory tools were not needed to fix the machines , just aftermarket BS.
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The problem is that once the inner bolt turns, you've just over-torqued the bearings. Taking the solid socket off to check is too late. Sure it can be done the way you suggest, but having the proper tools is a much better option.

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I've actually got 5 12-point sockets, allen wrenches, and drill bits already. I needed to get the windows cut and then got swamped at work. If David has the time to pursue it, that would be great.

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I'd like to buy one of the sockets as well, please add me to the list.

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Here is my 30mm window socket.
Brand name is "OEM", bought at AutoZone $10. Ground the window out. The 12mm hex wrench is a Craftsman with 1/2 in cut off the short end.
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Like I said the tool is not required!But it is your money.
As far as over torquing the bearing. I said check it often,9Lets just say every 1/8 turn). The bearings on the left and the right are the same one torqued at 200 NM and one torqued at 10 NM. you will not over torque the left bearing if you check it often. You guys sound like this tool is the neatest thing since sliced bread.
A little about me now that I got that SLAM off my chest. I am new to this page,BUT! I have been wrenching and riding my own bikes for over 35 years. If anyone thinks they can do it better, I invite them to come to my house and work on my '78 XT500 or my '82 Vision"s Or my '83 Venture.
I won't let dealer mech's work on my bikes.
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Sounds like you need some newer bikes

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I like the bikes I have.
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I like to ride a verity of bikes.
The K 12 LT eats up tires not miles.I only get 3500 on the fronts and 4000 on the rear. Can't afford the rubber. Only put 24000 on the KLT last year and 70000 on one of my Visions. no OD on the XT and the Venture needs a new clutch( it has 158000 on her).
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I looked for sockets today, and I was wrong about the $9, that was for the short one I have. The deep one is about $15. Some places wanted $20 or more.

I was thinking I could get some, along with 12 MM long arm allen wrenches, and sell a set of machined socket and allen wrench for around $30 plus shipping. Have not checked weight and postal charges yet. Assuming it will be $4-5 mailing.

Anyone interested at that price?
Hi Dave.. even though I dont expect to need it for a while (I Hope) Cound me in too for a set.. I have helped work on other guys rides, and sooner or later I will get to this too !! Bill

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Not to start another tire thread but many of us have had good sucess at raising the tire pressure for more mile. I run 42 in the front and 48 in the rear. I routinely get 8K out of the fron and 10K out of the rear.

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I do my own work because I know that I'll take the time to do it right. If that means creating whatever special tools I need, then so be it.

David is offering to help out the list members with a special project that is right up his alley, and many are glad for it. He has proven time and again his commitment to this community, and his expertise has been invaluable to many of us here. Sure, some of these guys will buy the tools and never use them, but then again some guys buy bikes and don't ride them.

And one difficulty I have with dealer mechanics is that they're often overworked and underpaid which often leads to shortcuts, or a "close enough" mentality. Why would I then choose to be as haphazard in my own work, when just a little extra care and the proper tools means the job is done right?

Seems rather foolish to me, but then again we all have to go with whatever makes us comfortable. Note that I'm not saying that I can do it better than anyone else, just that I know I'll do the work to my own high standards. Since it's my butt on the line (or the seat, really), then that's the best that I can ask for.

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I have had to take the rear drive off several times. slave valve, clutch.and final drive bearing. The only socket issue I had was breaking every 14 mm socket I own. I went to harbor freight and got 2 sets of impact sockets ( 30 mm included) for less than $25. The tool you are looking for is not required. Just mark the inner plug, as you tighten the outer plug, check the inner one often. If it moves, move it back. The right side will never move. You only have to worry about the left.
I'm a retired helicotper mechanic, must of the factory tools were not needed to fix the machines , just aftermarket BS.
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I guess that could work if you check every slight movement of the outer nut. That is not a good way to do it in my opinion though. Much better to have the windowed socket and allen wrench.

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