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Clutch issue...whats wrong?

I just got home from work and when I pulled off the highway I was trying to downshift and it was almost impossible. It seems that the when I pull the clutch lever, it does not want to engage the clutch all the way. When I am stopped, the bike idles in 1st gear, but it engages very quickly when I release the clutch level (only have to move 1/2 a centimeter before it grabs).

I am not the best mechanic, but I have friends that can help..what is wrong? Is this an easy fix? Is the clutch fried? Please help. its a 2005
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Take a look at the little dial near the base of the clutch lever. Now push the lever out, it should move out about an inch. Rotate the dial two notches and then try out the clutch.

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Did that..did not do much...but I did check the fluid level (should have done that first)...it should be pretty full correct? Its not...

So, what kind of fluid do I get? Can I get it at any autoparts store? Also what level do I fill it up to?

Just read the cover plate dot4...I am going to fill it and see if a puddle forms - if I have a leak- if I do, its under warranty.

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I just got home from work and when I pulled off the highway I was trying to downshift and it was almost impossible. It seems that the when I pull the clutch lever, it does not want to engage the clutch all the way. When I am stopped, the bike idles in 1st gear, but it engages very quickly when I release the clutch level (only have to move 1/2 a centimeter before it grabs).

I am not the best mechanic, but I have friends that can help..what is wrong? Is this an easy fix? Is the clutch fried? Please help. its a 2005
Sounds like the clutch slave cylinder may have failed, which is a somewhat common issue on the LT. It's covered under warranty, and if it fouled the clutch plates (doesn't always happen) they should replace those, too. Get it to your dealer and have them take care of it.

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Well I refilled the clutch rode it around the block twice...still is not right. Does it take time to refill the line? Do I have an air bubble in there?

I think I just have to bite the bullet and bring it to the dealer...1 hour away...in the trailer..what a pain.
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Brian, I guess the NYC "CCR", stop & go, ST. JUDE run, was to much for your 05 slave, last Saturday. Along with all the 3-5 MPH riding along the 46 mile route, an ambient of 68 degrees, my 2000 engine temp went a couple of needle width's into the red zone, which is a first in 50K miles for me. I thought the fans had cut out, but when we turned onto the West Side Drive, a little breeze helped the fans out.

I hope the guys at Canton (if that is were you are going) will fix you up quickly! Maybe you can talk Mac into drilling the weep hole!!

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I was thinking the same thing. I also did the ride the day before..not as long, but lots of stop and go as well.

What is the weep hole?
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better check to see if canton cycles is still doing warranty work...might as well bring it to max bmw in new hampshire
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better check to see if canton cycles is still doing warranty work...might as well bring it to max bmw in new hampshire
My hope is the Gengras can pick it up. From what I heard last time I was in Canton, Nov 1st was the sales date, but maybe they are certified to do the work now. They are heck of alot closer than Canton. From what I heard for the sales guy at Canton they will continue to be certified mechanics for BMW, just not sales.
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im not sure they will be able to do warrenty work
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Sounds like another '05 with a leaking slave cylinder.

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Sounds like another '05 with a leaking slave cylinder.

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It is really amazing that BMW has known of the slave cylinder problem for years now, and now we have '05 LTs having a horrible problem with them. You would think they could have improved something, but instead it seems they got much worse!.

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It is really amazing that BMW has known of the slave cylinder problem for years now, and now we have '05 LTs having a horrible problem with them. You would think they could have improved something, but instead it seems they got much worse!.
It certainly doesn't give those of us with climbing mileage any reason to install a new SC as a preemptive measure!

We seem to have an idea at the failure rate of FDs - 4 to 5%... Does anyone have a clue as to the failure rate of slave cylinders?

David, you used to recommend replacement at or before 60,000? Do you still hold to that?

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It certainly doesn't give those of us with climbing mileage any reason to install a new SC as a preemptive measure!

We seem to have an idea at the failure rate of FDs - 4 to 5%... Does anyone have a clue as to the failure rate of slave cylinders?

David, you used to recommend replacement at or before 60,000? Do you still hold to that?
My recommendation is to drill the drain hole anytime one can work it out. If over 40,000 when this is done, replace the cylinder at the same time. I still say if one makes it to 60,000 with no problems, replace it!

If I was to get an LT again, new or used, I would drill the drain hole at my earliest convenient time. Probably within 3-4 weeks of getting the bike.

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We seem to have an idea at the failure rate of FDs - 4 to 5%... Does anyone have a clue as to the failure rate of slave cylinders?
I don't have any idea what the failure rate is but I'm pretty sure that it is higher than most people would realize. We took four out to drill the weep hole and three of them were leaking. I'm sure that age and mileage will enter into the equation but the '05 bikes seem to have it worse than anyone else with low mileage failures.

I'd bet that by 100,000 miles the failure rate is essentially 100% but some of those won't actually have any symptoms yet.

I have the weep hole in my bike and if the slave cylinder goes again I'll just replace it and keep riding. I'm not too worried about it. I know that it won't strand me and I can always get the bike into gear and ride home. My concern before was the potential to contaminate the clutch and be stranded on the side of the road......that and the cost of the repair and labor involved.

Does anyone have an '05 slave cylinder that is no good? I'd be interested in getting one to see if the seal was changed either in design or materials.

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I was thinking the same thing. I also did the ride the day before..not as long, but lots of stop and go as well.

What is the weep hole?
Look up Kevin Cook's Sept 25 2006 post at 8:51 AM. He did an excellent professional write up of how to install the weep hole that keeps the slave fluid from getting to the clutch disk, if the slave starts to leak. B.B.

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Angry Clutch & CS - disapoitment

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Sounds like another '05 with a leaking slave cylinder.

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Seems to me that not only in USA the problem exists. Down here in South Africa we have the some issues. I plan a trip on my Lt 2005,now 6500kms, and send it for a "check up". Only to have the news that the clutch was finished and need to be replaced. Parts were orded, but not the CS. The technician didn't realize that the problem come from the collapsed CS. Three weeks later and no bike. Must wait another week before I put some power between my legs again.http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/newreply...eply&p=115190#
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Happened to me

I had the same thing happen to me on a trip down south last summer. It was the slave unit and it was under warranty. When the dealer replaced it I had him drill weep hole so if it goes again it won't ruin my clutch. As told to me from this site.

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My recommendation is to drill the drain hole anytime one can work it out. If over 40,000 when this is done, replace the cylinder at the same time. I still say if one makes it to 60,000 with no problems, replace it!

If I was to get an LT again, new or used, I would drill the drain hole at my earliest convenient time. Probably within 3-4 weeks of getting the bike.

David,

A replacement Slave Cylinder comes with a little "dab" of clear/white grease inside of it (where the clutch acutator rod contact it). It looks minimal, so many have added grease, but I wonder if that could exaserbate the situation and actually speed failure. What are your thoughts?

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David,

A replacement Slave Cylinder comes with a little "dab" of clear/white grease inside of it (where the clutch acutator rod contact it). It looks minimal, so many have added grease, but I wonder if that could exaserbate the situation and actually speed failure. What are your thoughts?
The grease is for the little ball thrust bearing in the piston. If that bearing gets tight or seizes the piston spins with the actuation rod, and that destroys the cylinder immediately.

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To bad these guys http://www.evoluzione.net/photos/99030.jpg don't make an after market slave for the LT. They started making them for KTM 950 and have made the problem go away, and they have a 10yr warranty!

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