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Let me setup my situation, give the facts as they stand now, and then ask for advice.

Situation: I'm 546 miles from home in Columbus, OH. The bike feels like it has a little wiggle in the end at slow speed, <35MPH. >35MPH it goes away and is smooth as glass. My plan was to leave here today and head toward Clinton, IA, then down to Little Rock on Friday, and return home on Tuesday. A total of 1500+ miles in the next week.

Facts: Spinning the rear tire there is no drag. There is no play side to side. No play up or down as best I can tell. There is no noise other than the pads on the rotor. I do get a clunk as the tire spins at the same place in the rotation, that sounds and looks like it is coming from the rotor.

Advice: Do I head for home today, where I know I've got 2 dealers available and with one I know for sure exists between me and there? Or do I do like everyone says and "Just Ride It?" Is there something else you'd look at, pinion bearing, rear end seal, etc?

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Me? First thang I'd do is check tire pressures and look/feel for tread separation/bumps/etc. Next thang I'd look for is oilage, spillage, fluidage, leakage, and seeing none, ride on. Next thang I'd do is look in my Anonymous book for a dealer nearest Columbus; call 'em and describe the deal; ax 'em if they're prepared for a VOR (vehicle off road) lookee and verdict. What's on your route 'tween Columbus and Clinton? Any dealers?

I'll leave the good stuff to the gurus, Steve. Good luck, Bud. Oh, and one other thang; you did mount the rear shock correctly with no left over parts?!?! ;-)
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I don't know how to answer your questions, but if I can be of any help, I am in Xenia OH, about an hour ride from C-bus. I am off today and you can call my cell phone at 937-372-8019. I am sure you know there are two BMW shops in Columbus. I have used BMW of Columbus and they seem pretty good, except they are usually very busy. Good luck.

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Me? First thang I'd do is check tire pressures and look/feel for tread separation/bumps/etc. Next thang I'd look for is oilage, spillage, fluidage, leakage, and seeing none, ride on. Next thang I'd do is look in my Anonymous book for a dealer nearest Columbus; call 'em and describe the deal; ax 'em if they're prepared for a VOR (vehicle off road) lookee and verdict. What's on your route 'tween Columbus and Clinton? Any dealers?
Tire pressure is fine. Matter of factly, I'm running 44/50 instead of the 42/48, just changed out the front radial 020 with 12K on it running these pressures. The rear was changed out at the same time and appears to have tread left and appears okay from the outside. Since I don't have x-ray vision , I can't tell about the inside.

No oil spillage, did a lubricant change all around on Satidee as a health check. Rear end good at 91K miles with just the normal sludge on the magnet. I'll go out to the bike and bring the Anon Book in and have a looksee.

Route to Clinton is I-70 due west to Indianapolis. I-74 to Moline, IL and then the river road up to Clinton. Just over 500 miles from here to there.

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I'll leave the good stuff to the gurus, Steve. Good luck, Bud. Oh, and one other thang; you did mount the rear shock correctly with no left over parts?!?! ;-)
Bwahahahahahaha. Go get another cup of *$$ and a couple of donuts. Wish I could meet you guys for "Q".

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Thanks Steve. I'll run by BMW of Columbus before I leave town and see what they say.

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Let me setup my situation, give the facts as they stand now, and then ask for advice.

... The bike feels like it has a little wiggle in the end at slow speed, <35MPH. >35MPH it goes away and is smooth as glass. ...Facts: Spinning the rear tire there is no drag. There is no play side to side. No play up or down as best I can tell. There is no noise other than the pads on the rotor. I do get a clunk as the tire spins at the same place in the rotation, that sounds and looks like it is coming from the rotor.

It sure sounds like a medium worn rear tire. The wiggle feel could be increased due to your slightly higher than normal pressures and my personal experience is a worn rear is more noticeable after putting on a new front. Even though the edge of the rain channels may not be feathered or cupped, does the tire in general feel scalloped if you run your hand around the circumference?

Since everything feels tight, seems like a tire matter.

Good luck, we're heading to Columbus Friday.

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Steve,
If you think that the rear end bearing is going, mine did have some outward signs before it gave out. The tire was making marks on the swing arm and the bike felt like I was on an uneven surface when I was going between 3 &5 mph. Other than that it rode smooth as glass at highway speed, even when it dumped oil all over the back rim.
Sounds like a tire to me, 35 mph a worn tire will make the bike wobble some.



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DOH!!! I'll go back and check. Thanks.

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Thanks Don. By the way bring your coat. Highs in the low 40s up here this weekend.

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Let me setup my situation, give the facts as they stand now, and then ask for advice.

Situation: I'm 546 miles from home in Columbus, OH. The bike feels like it has a little wiggle in the end at slow speed, <35MPH. >35MPH it goes away and is smooth as glass. My plan was to leave here today and head toward Clinton, IA, then down to Little Rock on Friday, and return home on Tuesday. A total of 1500+ miles in the next week.

Facts: Spinning the rear tire there is no drag. There is no play side to side. No play up or down as best I can tell. There is no noise other than the pads on the rotor. I do get a clunk as the tire spins at the same place in the rotation, that sounds and looks like it is coming from the rotor.

Advice: Do I head for home today, where I know I've got 2 dealers available and with one I know for sure exists between me and there? Or do I do like everyone says and "Just Ride It?" Is there something else you'd look at, pinion bearing, rear end seal, etc?

TIA

P.S. I'm not even going to mention the weather.

Are you running the radial B-stones? if so replace the rear , just in case it is one coming apart and you can not tell it, you do not want a rear or friont tire coming apart at 80mph down the highway, it is CHEAPER than your deductable if you wreck or a major TOW if you don't


OH BTW your safe, my major trip was cancelled so i'm about 5500 miles shy this season

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Warped disc hitting abs sensor ?.

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Nope. BTDT. Thanks.

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Steve,

Are you pulling a trailer, or do you have the bike loaded more than usual. I have found that different tongue weights or loads can cause a little slow speed shimmy...Just a thought.

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I know this might sound stupid , but are all the wheel nuts tight ?.
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Actually I'm running about what I normally run when I don't have the SWMBO onboard. So I'm beginning to think it is the tire (tyre).

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Thanks for the thought, I checked all those during the oil change this weekend just to make sure.

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John, I think you've nailed it on the head. This rear has 14K with tread still left. There are rough edges like the BT020s get when they start to feather. Called both dealers in Columbus, BMW of Columbus didn't have one in stock and NorthWest BMW, Honda, Suzuki, etc, only carries Metzlers. And I'm not going that route. Next call is to Cincinatti to see if they have one in stock.

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Steve,

Competition Accessories just west of you on I 70 in Springfield may have the tire you need. Also, a call to Iron Pony might be worth trying. They are in Westerville, north suburbs.

Try to Google them.

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I had an experience similar at CCR and it turned out to be a slipped belt in the tire, I thought it was a front wheel out of balance, when I got home found a split in the tire wall, went out and kissed "The Beerburner" square on the mouth.

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For-what-it's-worth....I keep a spare new Metz rear tyre in the garage for emergences.

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Got the answer

Couldn't find a BT020 anywhere near Columbus that I could get installed that day. As a matter of fact, one of the dealers in Columbus doesn't even carry BT020s.

After a careful inspection of the bike and the rear tire, I started a sub-light ride home on Wednesday and Thursday. Made it with no other issues except the rear end was a little twitchy >35 but smooth at ~50. Called both of the local dealers yesterday to find out that one had the correct BT020 radial. I told them to put my name on it and I'd be in tomorrow.

After having breakfast with my lovely wife it was off to the dealer to get the tire replaced. The tech moved the bike into the tire changing area. I looked at the tire before he pulled it and the light hit the tire in such a way that I could see the a small buldge on the left hand side of the tire. So it looks like I've got one of the BT020s with belt separation. The buldge was not there are the beginning of the day Thursday or Thursday evening, but it sure was there today.

The tech pulled the tire and proceeded to put the new tire on. While he was mucking with the tire and wheel before putting it back on, I looked in on the swing arm and there were a couple black marks on the it. I checked the right side of the old tire and there was another buldge about 180 degrees opposite the one on the left side.

While putting the right tire back on, the tech noticed some oil on the final drive right at the boot. He opened it up and fresh oil spilled out of the boot onto the floor. So besides having a bad tire, it looks like I've got a leaking seal at the tranny output shaft and possibly at the pinion seal. I'll know more on Tuesday.

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