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Help with tires please.

Hi guys,

This is for a 1999 K1200LT.

So the rear Metz 880 needs replacement after one year. the tread is almost flat and I got a puncture the other day.

I am debating if I should repair the puncture myself to get few more miles out of it or replace the tire.

The question again if I should stay with the Metz or go back to the Bridgestone 02 ??

And since these tires are expensive, does anyone have a used tire they want to sell ?

I am in San Jose, CA.

Might as well ask this too: Anyone nearby has a mounting and balancing gig for the tire?

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Bite the bullet and get a new 880. Call around and see if you can find a shop to change it if you bring in the tire. Some will. Even better if you take off the wheel and just take that in. Maintenance and consumables cost money, bikes are not cheaper than cars.
Tires on the web are 1/2 to 2/3rds cost at the dealer.

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You are not going to find an ME880. If you do the date code is going to be old.
As for used tires... You only have two wheels under you. Buy new! It is cheaper than skin grafts.


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You are not going to find an ME880. If you do the date code is going to be old.
As for used tires... You only have two wheels under you. Buy new! It is cheaper than skin grafts.


160/70B-17 (79V) Metzeler ME888 Marathon Ultra Rear Motorcycle Tire Black Wall
Part# 1487820011

Our price: $176.88

https://www.jakewilson.com/p/1184/46...otorcycle-Tire
Yeah except that the 888 rubs on the right side and would need a spacer...already tried that. Some say the spacer chages the geomtry of the bike and thus should be avoided.

Is there a Huge difference between the Metz (79V) and the Metz (73V) as far as this bike (KLT 1200) is concerned ?

I mean, in practical terms taking the bike weight into account, is the 73 V tire fine/safe to use with this bike ?

Thank you so much.
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I am always concerned when someone tries to save a dollar on a safety item that could hurt or kill you and possibly someone else if it failed. I appreciate saving money just like the next person being retired and on a fixed income but tires ,brakes, lighting, etc, help keep you safe and alive so please go for the new not used. If you do find a used tire, "ebay for instance" make sure the date code is not more than 6 years old, good luck.

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You are not going to find an ME880. If you do the date code is going to be old.
As for used tires... You only have two wheels under you. Buy new! It is cheaper than skin grafts.


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Bite the bullet and get a new 880. Call around and see if you can find a shop to change it if you bring in the tire. Some will. Even better if you take off the wheel and just take that in. Maintenance and consumables cost money, bikes are not cheaper than cars.
Tires on the web are 1/2 to 2/3rds cost at the dealer.
So are you saying the Metz rear is better choice than the Bridgestone tire for this bike??

I mean Better as far as the longivity and handling.

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I've had better luck with Bridgestone, but everyone has their own preference.

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I'd go with the Bridgestones. The rear 160/70/17 79v rated.To me they have better all around traction.Never was a big fan of Metz. Just make sure you keep the pressures at 42 front, 48 rear all the time. I get 7 to 12 K out of a set. Depending how many twisty roads i ride. A combo some on this forum run is a Metzeler front, and a Bridgestone rear. They seem to get good mileage out of both.
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I use and like the metz 888. No problems except for you might have to add a 2nd wheel spacer, as the 888 is about 1/4" wider and some folk have rubbing issues on the swing arm. Mine was too close for comfort so I added a spacer. The spacer is 2mm thick and with the diagonal angle of the swing arm, each 2mm spacer only buys you about 1mm extra space.
But I like the tire. And like having a wider tire under this large bike.

I'll know by the end of summer about mileage, as I have an extremely long ride coming and already have several thousand miles on the tires (both metz).

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Here is that Bridgestone, $145. If you order the matching front shipping is free:
BRIDGESTONE BT020-M 160/70B-17 M/C 79V, REAR
Now you need to call around and find someone to install them. Takes an hour to 1.5 hours to do the job so there is some money too. If you can take the wheels off yourself you will save quite a bit.

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Yeah except that the 888 rubs on the right side and would need a spacer...already tried that. Some say the spacer chages the geomtry of the bike and thus should be avoided.

Is there a Huge difference between the Metz (79V) and the Metz (73V) as far as this bike (KLT 1200) is concerned ?

I mean, in practical terms taking the bike weight into account, is the 73 V tire fine/safe to use with this bike ?

Thank you so much.
Due to the weight if the LT, it requires a 79V rating and should have REINF on the sidewalls. Not worth a blow out.

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Due to the weight if the LT, it requires a 79V rating and should have REINF on the sidewalls. Not worth a blow out.
I agree...
But this guy is worried about price not safety.
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I agree...
But this guy is worried about price not safety.
Then he should buy the cheapest tire that fits that includes a 79V rating.

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The first Metzler rear tire I had installed by a local motorcycle tire specialist (that rides an RT) was the non-reinforced version and he reassured me that it was good for the LT. After reading all the literature on LT's needing reinforced tires, I came to the conclusion that my specialist was more interested in selling one of his "in stock" tires, than actually satisfying manufacturers recommendations. I was happy to finally replace the non-reinforced version with the 79V reinforced and have not gone back to that guy. One other issue to consider is the possible effect on insurance payouts should you ever have an accident due to tire failure from using an under-rated tire.... My '07 has had Bridgestones front and rear, and I plan on replacing the front with a Metzler next change, but staying with the 'Stone on the rear.

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Yeah except that the 888 rubs on the right side and would need a spacer...already tried that. Some say the spacer chages the geomtry of the bike and thus should be avoided.

Is there a Huge difference between the Metz (79V) and the Metz (73V) as far as this bike (KLT 1200) is concerned ?

I mean, in practical terms taking the bike weight into account, is the 73 V tire fine/safe to use with this bike ?

Thank you so much.
You really think that moving the rear tire 2mm to the left is going to be noticable? Ridden mine on 2 long trips and several 2 or 3 hundred mile trips. Been riding since 1968 and I cannot tell the difference. The bike handles great, inline with my abilities and spidey sense.

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I installed the Avon on rear of my '99. It seems to stick the corners better for me; with Bridgestone on the front. And yes, the Avon is 79V REINF rated for this flying brick.
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Just remember one important thing! A proper new tire is a lot cheaper than having to pay the funeral home or a serious hospital bill. Ride safe.
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Then he should buy the cheapest tire that fits that includes a 79V rating.
You both are wrong, I am worried about safety. I am simply asking what will work/safe on this bike without spending a fortune. Of course you can read it anyway you want to read it.
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You really think that moving the rear tire 2mm to the left is going to be noticable? Ridden mine on 2 long trips and several 2 or 3 hundred mile trips. Been riding since 1968 and I cannot tell the difference. The bike handles great, inline with my abilities and spidey sense.

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I really don't know since I have not yet tried it (installing spacers with the 888). The dealer tells me few MM will change the bike geomtry and steering, others tell me something else.

It is difficult to know who knows what they are talking about anymore.
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I really don't know since I have not yet tried it (installing spacers with the 888). The dealer tells me few MM will change the bike geomtry and steering, others tell me something else.

It is difficult to know who knows what they are talking about anymore.
Dealer is very wrong. I have set up rear wheels 1/4" off center. I will say that that was for a sidecar. I did and have put many miles as a two wheeler with that wheel. If you think about it the rear will follow the front. It is a self correcting.

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put two 888S on 2000 lt no spacers no problems on line at jp cycles got both under 300 free shipping hope they are still offering that price ,let that brick fly!!!!
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By the time I put the 888 on the bike, I had read a post somewhere, in which an LT caught fire on the highway from a rubbing issue. (The extreme heat caused the FD fluid to catch fire.) It was i think the first substantial ride after the dealer put the 888 on that bike if memory serves.
So I was keen to check the clearance between the tire and the swing arm. Found it to be only a 2.1mm gap, with full tire inflation. So not knowing how much tire flex to expect, I added the extra spacer for insurance, but cannot tell any diff in handling.
Also, the tire wears well and I have no complaints about performance.
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By the time I put the 888 on the bike, I had read a post somewhere, in which an LT caught fire on the highway from a rubbing issue. (The extreme heat caused the FD fluid to catch fire.) It was i think the first substantial ride after the dealer put the 888 on that bike if memory serves.
So I was keen to check the clearance between the tire and the swing arm. Found it to be only a 2.1mm gap, with full tire inflation. So not knowing how much tire flex to expect, I added the extra spacer for insurance, but cannot tell any diff in handling.
Also, the tire wears well and I have no complaints about performance.
But to each his own...
The 888 rubbed on my bike for sure, I can see where the tire was shaved from rubbing, I could see the black rubber on the bike and the shinny ring around the tire. So I replced it with an 880 which are now impossible to find for my bike.

I think for the price maybe the Bridgestone rear is a better buy.
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Wheel spacers and front/rear alignment discussed in this thread from 2014 (with BMW manual alignment pic supplied by JZ)

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You both are wrong, I am worried about safety. I am simply asking what will work/safe on this bike without spending a fortune. Of course you can read it anyway you want to read it.
AJ, that was most certainly not a poke at you. There have been many tire threads and most are dismayed with the small selection of 79V tires available for the LT that actually also fit. I am simply saying get what is appropriate. A 73V tire is rated at 805lb and a 79v is rated at 963lb. The old girl wet with no load or rider ( 833LB ) is already greater than the rating of the 73V. If you rode 1 up with no load all the time and half a tank, you might get away with it or you might not.

The CSW post leading to the wheel spacer thread hopefully sheds some light on the tolerance of adding a larger spacer or even adding another 2mm spacer and the effect of that on the bikes geometry. John Zeller rocks First time i had seen that thread and measuring illustration myself. I have read that many have simply added a second stock spacer and not reported anything abnormal in handling after that to account for the tire rubbing. Looks like that is an acceptable action to take within reason.

Good luck in your tire search. I haven't put enough miles on my LT yet to wear out what I have but I will be doing the same thing you are when it comes time. Looking for the best bang for the buck but in my case, it will be a 79V REINF tire even if i have to get another wheel spacer to keep it from rubbing. I ride 2 up and at or close to the bikes upper limit so I won't be taking any chances.

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While I must certainly rank right up there with those sick of this same discussion over and over again, I would propose a question, or series of questions.
Referring to this posted information: "A 73V tire is rated at 805lb and a 79v is rated at 963lb. The old girl wet with no load or rider ( 833LB ) is already greater than the rating of the 73V. If you rode 1 up with no load all the time and half a tank, you might get away with it or you might not."
The total weight of the LT is 833lbs empty, much higher loaded. The load rating on the 73V is 805. So, is that 805 the rating on that tire, or the bike in total? If it's for that tire, the weight on the LT on the rear would be considerably less than 833 lbs, making the 73V acceptable.
And where in this weight assignment is the dynamic force/weight during high speed cornering (centrifugal of centripetal) considered?

I am not advocating the use of a 73V rated tire. If the bike calls for 79V, BUY THE G..DAMNED 79V!!! It ain't rocket science.
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While I must certainly rank right up there with those sick of this same discussion over and over again, I would propose a question, or series of questions.
Referring to this posted information: "A 73V tire is rated at 805lb and a 79v is rated at 963lb. The old girl wet with no load or rider ( 833LB ) is already greater than the rating of the 73V. If you rode 1 up with no load all the time and half a tank, you might get away with it or you might not."
The total weight of the LT is 833lbs empty, much higher loaded. The load rating on the 73V is 805. So, is that 805 the rating on that tire, or the bike in total? If it's for that tire, the weight on the LT on the rear would be considerably less than 833 lbs, making the 73V acceptable.
And where in this weight assignment is the dynamic force/weight during high speed cornering (centrifugal of centripetal) considered?

I am not advocating the use of a 73V rated tire. If the bike calls for 79V, BUY THE G..DAMNED 79V!!! It ain't rocket science.
I am probably going to get myself in trouble here but here goes. I am learning the details of this as i type.

According to the plackard on my LT, the GWAR of the front tire is 450lb and the rear is 886LB.

GAWR is the maximum distributed weight that may be supported by an axle. ( see wikipedia )

If at full load, you can expect the tires to be under a 450lb front and 886 LB rear distributed load then a 73V tire at 805lb is under rated for that type of service.

With no cargo load on the bike and if you are not a heavy weight, you might be under the 805lb load rating of a 73V for the rear but not by much. I would think you would be running that tire at or very close to the maximum load all the time but I am only guessing at that because I don't know how to figure that out from the information i have. This is IMO the reason for the requirement of a 79V rated tire. She is a beast to be sure.

Adding some math. front GAWR plus rear GAWR 450 + 886 = 1336LB Permitted weight is 1321LB Max permitted weight is 15 LB under the sum of the front and rear GAWR.

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