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post #1 of 13 Old Feb 3rd, 2016, 12:22 pm Thread Starter
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3 wheeled vaporware

Thinking of trading in my Gerbings.

Just shy of 100,000 miles on my beloved 2000 K1200LT. This bike has taken me and the World's Greatest Pillion Rider across the country east coast to west, south on the Blue Ridge to Florida, to Nova Scotia and Gaspe', and countless hours of cranking the Green Mountain passes, the White Mountains of NH, the Kangamagus (The Kanc), the Adironadaks and Catskills.

It is a touring bike with sport bike characteristics without equal. (IMO)

I wonder what touring in a thing like this would be? So far, with repeated delays in expected production dates, skeptics abound. But...even so, the thing appeals to me.

What say you?

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post #2 of 13 Old Feb 3rd, 2016, 12:54 pm
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Re: 3 wheeled vaporware

You know what caught my attention right away was the fact that they make their own engine. Whoa, that needs some shake out. I would not be a beta tester here. There are alternatives to keep on the road. I'd give this one a year or so. I suspect you have looked at the Polaris one.
Polaris Slingshot First Drive ? Review ? Car and Driver
Even this unit is having a few teething problems but is shaking out and offers more of the motorcycle exposure feel.

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Re: 3 wheeled vaporware

Wait,,, let me put my flame suite on,,, OK

I put my name in the hat, if they ever build the thang I'll buy one. I don't know what I'm going do with it, I just want one. Looks like fun for not much money. My Elio # is 4287 I'm all in, even bought stock.

I think I'll leave the flame suite on for a while.
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Serious hijack here. These vehicles are coming. We all see the Spider and other three wheel bikes out there. I found one for a city car that seems interesting and shows how main stream these will be. (just go to Asia or Southern Europe and look at all the three wheel vehicles.
The link is to Toyota's three wheel electric city vehicle.
For the road, I still like the Polaris unit.

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If it came in a convertible model it might be ok. Not a bike, but maybe an option when I can no longer get the leg over the saddle.


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Re: 3 wheeled vaporware

Looks like a modern day Messerschmitt....

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Its shape reminds me of a coffin. At least if I get whacked on the bike I'll get to ride in a big ambulance. In that thing they can just pick the whole thing up and plant you right in it. If I'm going to be in a cage I want some size and steel around me.


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Re: 3 wheeled vaporware

Clearly the Elio isn't a motorcycle. None of the three wheelers are. Only a side hack making a left hand turn can lean into the turn. I view the balancing of a motorcyle between the forces of gravity and centrifugal as central to the motorcycling experience. When cornering on a motorcycle, the sum vector of gravity and centrifugal forces keeps you one with the bike.
The Toyota iRoad, posted above, might come close, but in all conventional 3-wheelers centrifugal forces are going to force your body sideways in a turn, rather than down into your seat as on a motorcycle. This has to be true for trike conversions, the Polaris SlingShot, CanAm Spyder, etc.

For me, it is this aspect of motorcycling dynamics that is central to the experience, more than being out in the wind. Frankly, riding the K1200lt with helment, gloves, boots, AeroStitch, behind that great fairing and windscreen, isn't the "bugs in the teeth" motorcyling experience that so many Harley riders enjoy in helment free states. If you want open air, here's your motorcyle ride: a short sleeve, do-rag, no helmet putt-putt down the road. (I can't do that anymore, road rash scares the crap out of me.)

For handling, comfort, performance, luggage capacity, pillion comfort, sportability, there is still nothing as good as the BMW K1200LT. The GL1800 and the K1600GT(L) are fine offerings, but the K1200LT is still in a class by itself.

All that said, I want an Elio. Yeah, its a car. Front wheel drive. Heat and air conditioning. Airbags. Roll cage. No, it won't be as safe as driving a Hummer, vehicle safety isn't the main consideration here. The argument that I wouldn't have an Elio because it isn't as safe as a conventional car, but I do ride ride a motorcyle, is a pretty specious argument.

Why I find the Elio intriguing more than other three wheelers: Reportedly going to be cheap. Looks fun to drive. Sometimes when I'm planning on a quick outing, I can't be bothered with gearing up for a motorcycle. I am really hopeful that 2016 is going to be the year the Elio comes to market. I am watching with great interest and enthusiasm.
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Clearly the Elio isn't a motorcycle. None of the three wheelers are. Only a side hack making a left hand turn can lean into the turn. I view the balancing of a motorcyle between the forces of gravity and centrifugal as central to the motorcycling experience. When cornering on a motorcycle, the sum vector of gravity and centrifugal forces keeps you one with the bike.
The Toyota iRoad, posted above, might come close, but in all conventional 3-wheelers centrifugal forces are going to force your body sideways in a turn, rather than down into your seat as on a motorcycle. This has to be true for trike conversions, the Polaris SlingShot, CanAm Spyder, etc.
So if these aren't motorcycles, what are they? Cars? If that's the case, what do you classify a four wheel ATV as?

I think you're alone in this definition. I would venture to guess that most people consider a motorcycle as a vehicle that you sit on top of and a car is something you get into. Simple as that.

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Re: 3 wheeled vaporware

The wife has more physical challenges than I do, so getting her in and out of the back seat would probably be a deal breaker. Looks cool though. When 2 wheels is no longer viable, the Can Am still looks like the top candidate to me.

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Re: 3 wheeled vaporware

Check out the "instatrike" from Tow-Pac


You won't even have to get rid of your K1200LT. I am considering one myself as I am 69 years old now and the old girl seems to be getting exponentially heavier as I age. The device is quickly (5 minutes) removable for two wheeling and just as fast to go back to trike mode...

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Re: 3 wheeled vaporware

I've had a $100 reservation for 3 years now. I've even purchased some of their stock. I have wanted a cheap vehicle that can get 60+mpg since the day my 1985 Honda CRX HF died in 1992. I don't care to be the first guy to figure out if the Elio is a lemon, so I'll read the reviews and take delivery at the end of the first production year....or ask for my money back. I believe the Elio will sell very well even if they miss their price target by $3k and the mileage target by 20mpg. Time will tell. I plan to use it as my business commuter when my trip duration will be unknown, otherwise....I'll continue to ride Tickets until she gives up.
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