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post #1 of 24 Old Jan 21st, 2016, 5:21 pm Thread Starter
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Unhappy K1200LT Clutch

Anyone know of a company that produces and sells a heavy duty clutch for the K1200LT? Replacing mine at 18K because of the infamous oil leak (weep hole will be drilled!).
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post #2 of 24 Old Jan 21st, 2016, 5:31 pm
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Haven't looked for a clutch for my BMW yet, but on my last bike Barnett was the best.

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Anyone know of a company that produces and sells a heavy duty clutch for the K1200LT? Replacing mine at 18K because of the infamous oil leak (weep hole will be drilled!).
I don't know of a specifically heavy duty one but Beamer Boneyard sells a Siebenrock German made oil resistant friction plate. I just put it in my LT. It looks nicely made and many here have used them. I haven't yet read any bad reports of them.

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Re: K1200LT Clutch

They also sell a conventional disc that is better than the stock BMW unit and cheaper. None of which will eliminate the need to repair an oil leak, just they will not also need to be replaced.
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LT with 18k miles...was this a barn find?
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Re: K1200LT Clutch

No, it just seems I am one of the unlucky ones whose seal gave way between 15k and 25k that I have read about on this forum.
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Re: K1200LT Clutch

Their website only listed 2006 and newer, but I sent them an email just in case they have one available. Thanks!
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Their website only listed 2006 and newer, but I sent them an email just in case they have one available. Thanks!
MAX BMW lists the same part for all LT year clutches. Even though the basic plus listing on BBY shows through 2005 and is currently out of stock, It should be applicable for all LT years.

I ordered the oil proof when it was out of stock and they shipped it as soon as they got them in. In my case, it was less than a week before I got notification it was on the way.

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Be careful with the friction disk. If it is out of spec from OEM in thickness bad things will happen to your throw out distances.
About half way down in this thread is a discussion on disk thickness. And the rest of the thread is relevant to your problem also:
Non Viton o-ring logic - I-BMW.com
Now for the guts of it all:
GregRS's journey into seal territory - I-BMW.com

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Be careful with the friction disk. If it is out of spec from OEM in thickness bad things will happen to your throw out distances.
About half way down in this thread is a discussion on disk thickness. And the rest of the thread is relevant to your problem also:
Non Viton o-ring logic - I-BMW.com
Now for the guts of it all:
GregRS's journey into seal territory - I-BMW.com
Should a guy replace the diaphragm spring and the presure plate if he's putting the basic clutch from BB Even if it looks good
Beech on the other forum a guy on their said you can just put your input and output and the engine seals flush and call it good
Or would you still do the depth measure thing

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That is a good question. If you can sort out that you have the newer pressure plate the new disks go with it. The pressure plate dishes when it gets hot from slipping. It is about 9 or so inches across and difficult to to get a flat edge in there buy you can, outer frame causes some access issues. But if it is dished at all, we're talking .010" or even less it is not a good thing. Because it is so deep into the bike, I go crazy and change just about everything that could possibly cause trouble. I install a new pressure plate, new friction disk and new spring plate. New main nut and orientate the nut washer correctly as shown in Clymer, not the BMW OEM instructions. Just look at it as it comes out. In another forum a fellow purchased a friction plate that came from china. .5mm too thick compared to OEM. His throw out stuff came out to being incorrect by quite a bit. the following link is good information. Starting about post #28 the throw out rod length comes into play due to aftermarket friction disk.

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Thanks Beech for the info

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Sailor already answered that question. It was the early K1200RS that had the different clutch parts. The LT is standard all the way through so if your pressure plate and cover are not dished badly, you will be able to use the new parts with no issue of fitment.

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Please note that the Service-Bulletin we refereed to in this thread is specific to the very early K1200RS only (mainly 1997 and some early 1998).

It does NOT apply to your K1200LT as BMW came out with the K1200LT only later in 1998 for Europe first, then in 1999 for USA market. By that time they had already made up their mind that the pressure plate was going to be different on all K1200 going forward from JANUARY 1998 production.
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Sailor already answered that question. It was the early K1200RS that had the different clutch parts. The LT is standard all the way through so if your pressure plate and cover are not dished badly, you will be able to use the new parts with no issue of fitment.

Quote from Sailor.

Please note that the Service-Bulletin we refereed to in this thread is specific to the very early K1200RS only (mainly 1997 and some early 1998).

It does NOT apply to your K1200LT as BMW came out with the K1200LT only later in 1998 for Europe first, then in 1999 for USA market. By that time they had already made up their mind that the pressure plate was going to be different on all K1200 going forward from JANUARY 1998 production.
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Gordon and all,

The above quote came from another recent thread on the K1200RS forum. it would be VERY USEFUL if we could have a current K1200LT owner (any year) measure the thickness of his Pressure-plate (from flat surface to the high ridge on opposite side at 4 spots or more).

BMW does not publish the Pressure-plate thickness in any repair manual of any K1200RS or K1200LT. Mine is not apart right now and the most recent measurement we have is from a member in Australia that just received a new one for his K1200RS.

Having this info would confirm us that his measurements were correct AND would give some reference value for wear over time. In normal usage, I would guess that the wear is minimal - my rough guess would be 0.003 inch (3 thousands) although BMW does not publish any acceptable wear tolerance. Obviously, being perfectly flat (no warp) should always be the most important item to check on this item and also the top cover plate.

Does anyone has a K1200LT clutch apart right now ??

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Gordon and all,

The above quote came from another recent thread on the K1200RS forum. it would be VERY USEFUL if we could have a current K1200LT owner (any year) measure the thickness of his Pressure-plate (from flat surface to the high ridge on opposite side at 4 spots or more).

Does anyone has a K1200LT clutch apart right now ??
I would think someone has those pieces laying around after the job. Since I didn't replace those hard parts in the clutch, I don't have them to measure or I would be happy to.

I think Panzer also reused his as they had minimal dishing but I will check with him to be sure.

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Got a response from Panzer. He did reuse his plates so those are not available to measure. He did do measurements but only for flatness and not thickness, same as I did.

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I think I have two sets of used. I did a full replacement on my 05 @ 50 K and I am not sure of the miles on the other set. If I can find them I will get a measurement done. I still and not permitted to bend over very far after my last surgery.

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I think I have two sets of used. I did a full replacement on my 05 @ 50 K and I am not sure of the miles on the other set. If I can find them I will get a measurement done. I still and not permitted to bend over very far after my last surgery.
John,
I was not aware of recent surgery. Praying for a full recovery as we just cannot afford to loose you ;-)

There is no rush for these measurements...

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I bent over to dry my lower leg after a shower and ruptured a disc, L2-L3. This is a rare one to blow also. Think it was just time as I have degenerative disc disease going on in the lumbar area. This happened Nov 17th and I had a Microdiscectomy on 30 Dec. Went in a 1" hole to pull what came out of the disc off my nerves. Right leg is still pretty numb and weak but I am back to work with a cane. This will be a longer recovery than the other two laminectomies. May not get much riding in this year.

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I have lumbar trouble. L5 degenerative disc, with arthritis in C3 and 4. The orthopaedic doc says he doesn't think surgery is necessary. Just The series of 3 shots every now and then. Although i gotta say. So far. It's not working for a whole year.

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I bent over to dry my lower leg after a shower and ruptured a disc, L2-L3. This is a rare one to blow also. Think it was just time as I have degenerative disc disease going on in the lumbar area. This happened Nov 17th and I had a Microdiscectomy on 30 Dec. Went in a 1" hole to pull what came out of the disc off my nerves. Right leg is still pretty numb and weak but I am back to work with a cane. This will be a longer recovery than the other two laminectomies. May not get much riding in this year.
Oh no - really sorry to hear of your issues John. All the best for a smooth recovery.
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When my slave leaked and ruined the clutch in my 03 I just replaced the clutch disc and reused the pressure plate and Bellville. I tore it down after the first slip was noticed. The Bellville was fine and the pressure plate had some black marks but no "smears" from metal being moved. Those will rise up again when heated or so I'm told by engineers who are in the automotive business. I rebuilt automatic transmission for the last 25 years and that's what I went by. My clutch worked fine after that and lasted another 35K until I totaled the bike.

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jzeiler,


I have been there and done that PLUS a hip and knee replacement.

I now can ride again with no problems.

Keep your chin up and your battery charged!

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