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Finally: A "Real" Drop

This one will count as a "real" entry to Droppers Anonymous. My other 2 drops (mentioned several times on this site) were from the center stand with no one on the LT, but that's another story.

Those of you who have attended either Tech Session at our house will recognize the setting.

The gravel drive in front of the garage finally got me. I started parking in this out building a few days ago, as we are going to remodel the attached garage into a father-in-law suite. My practice has been to back the bike into the detached garage but it's not easy because of the gravel and because of the not-smooth transition from gravel to concrete apron, and then apron to garage floor.

Today, I thought I'd improve the process by avoiding the gravel and riding up onto the apron (photo 1), then backing along the apron into the garage. The height difference between gravel and apron (photo 2) caught me off guard; it stopped the forward movement of the bike; the handlebars were turned for the entrance onto the apron, and down she went. As so many have said: Once it starts going no force in the universe is going to stop. That thought ran through my head as I bailed off the right side and fell to the ground.

The LT is impressive laying down (photos 3 and 4).

I knew there would be more than the usual minimal marks on the tipover wing and pannier chrome strip because the bike was very much into the gravel. I tried lifting it but couldn't do it by myself because it needed to be lifted from a low position (gravel) to a higher position (concrete apron). I did have the presence of mind to deploy the side stand before trying the lift.

I called my wife and daughter to give me a hand and we got the beast up without any problem. I rode it into the garage with a few choice words and checked the damage. Nothing broken, but lots of paint knicks (from the gravel) below the right pannier chrome strip, and 2 or 3 tiny knicks on the chrome strip itself. No actual scratches because there was no forward movement of the bike when it went down.

I share this in the hope that it adds to the collective wisdom in some small way.

Lessons learned:
1. Don't try to stop it from falling.
2. Ask for help when you need it.
3. Approach transitions at a right angle if possible.
4. Look where you're going at parking lot speed.
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Next time mine goes down, I'm gonna put a blanket on it, stuff a pillow under 'er face and take a pic.

LT nap time!

(I joke, cuz I been caught almost the same way myself)

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Glad you were'nt hurt Howard. Sorry about the drop.

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Isn't that a sad picture to see our beloved LT laying down like that?

Sorry Howard. I do feel your pain!!

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DUDE !!!!

been there done that glad no one was hurt.................

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DUDE !!!!

been there done that glad no one was hurt.................
Just some cosmetic paint nicks and chips on the bike. I did a fairly-impressive (for an old man) judo-type shoulder roll as I came off the bike. Funny thing is I can't even remember if I hit my head on the ground or not. I'll have to check the helmet. It was on, of course!

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Just some cosmetic paint nicks and chips on the bike. I did a fairly-impressive (for an old man) judo-type shoulder roll as I came off the bike. Funny thing is I can't even remember if I hit my head on the ground or not. I'll have to check the helmet. It was on, of course!
You have got to change that picture Howard... makes my teeth ache every time I see it...

Glad yer OK too...

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I called my wife and daughter to give me a hand and we got the beast up without any problem.
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I'm thinking no bike looks good prone - butt aprone LT looks expecially sad. I mean, it just ain't natural! Glad you dismounted without injury, Howard. Gitcha one of them clusters added to your D.A. pin!!

BTW - what's that leetle black, stubby lookin' thang 'tween the two seats? I'm missing one of my yard sprinkler heads; kinda looks like you found it!!!
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Howard,

I don't think this really counts since it wasn't in a populated area. Without the public humiliation it isn't the same

Glad you weren't hurt.

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Hey, lesson #5... it's okay to stop and once both feet are down, move the beast around.

Yup.. that was my "first" drop... shoulda put feet down to negotiate tight turn on uneven surfaces.

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Man that's tuff Howard. I know your feelings though, as of recent.

Glad you weren't injured.

It's hilarious to hear Judy tell her side of our story when we fell over a couple weeks ago.

She swears she was still on the bike looking at me standing to the left on the pavement looking back at her before she realized what was happening and still falling. Man, I knew I could move quick but that's absurd. I did lower her (the bike) as gently as I could and just stepped off. Judy hit a little harder. But was OK.

That is a tough maneuver you were trying with the narrow pavement section and the building wall forcing a close angle approach to the apron. Maybe you could turn about once inside the building.

I'm sure Joe has offered his condolences even though he is ignoring the rest of us.

Good call on the pick up assistance.

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...BTW - what's that leetle black, stubby lookin' thang 'tween the two seats? I'm missing one of my yard sprinkler heads; kinda looks like you found it!!!
It's the passenger helmet lead coming up from the Baehr. I keep it tucked in between the 2 seats.

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Howard,

I don't think this really counts since it wasn't in a populated area. Without the public humiliation it isn't the same

Glad you weren't hurt.

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I think it still counts: my daughter was watching as I pulled up to the garage, saw me fall over, and said "Are you OK?". I leaped to my feet and said "Yep!".

Some hours later now: my back hurts a little from my first attempt at lifting it and I think I bonked my head on the gravel -- Mr. Headache is here.

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Hey, lesson #5... it's okay to stop and once both feet are down, move the beast around.

Yup.. that was my "first" drop... shoulda put feet down to negotiate tight turn on uneven surfaces.
Oh, I did that. I came to a stop, then tried to power it onto the concrete. That's when the wheel hit the edge of the concrete and said "nope, I'm not going up there"...

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...That is a tough maneuver you were trying with the narrow pavement section and the building wall forcing a close angle approach to the apron. Maybe you could turn about once inside the building...
You're exactly right. Looking at it later today, there's no way I could have backed into the garage from that narrow strip of concrete. Another lesson learned. I think I'll switch to one of the overhead doors on the other side -- 20' of concrete outside that door, just no automatic door opener.

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Ouch!

Hey, I feel for you, Howard. Man, that's a sad sight. Thanks for being willing to share your story, complete with pics 'n all. True humility...admirable.

Glad you're okay though I know your a little sore now. Gotta confess I would love to have seen your Joe Mannix imitation as you rolled away from the bike over that gravel.

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I was just wondering about your new avatar.

What are those pieces of paper under the bike? Suicide note, maybe?

Glad you're OK, and that the cosmetic damage is minor.

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I was just wondering about your new avatar.

What are those pieces of paper under the bike? Suicide note, maybe?

Glad you're OK, and that the cosmetic damage is minor.
I stopped at the mailbox on the way to the detached garage; it's the mail that fell out of the unzipped tank bag during this little incident. Kind of gives the picture a little more authenticity, as though that's necessary.

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I was wondering why you did not ride onto the patio and then back in the side door?

I dropped mine in Vermont at the rally luckily it was dark and less than 20 people witnessed me trying to park the bike with no side stand

I was thinking you would look more like TJ Hooker tucking and rolling across the gravel drive

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I was wondering why you did not ride onto the patio
Howard you have a ride thru barn??? Why are you backing up at all??
Pull into one door and out the other.
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Hey Howard

You are a real trooper! even posted pictures, WOW

Glad your OK, maybe at the next tech session you could do a renactment for us?

Joe must be on the road to have not posted about this!

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I was wondering why you did not ride onto the patio and then back in the side door?

I dropped mine in Vermont at the rally luckily it was dark and less than 20 people witnessed me trying to park the bike with no side stand

I was thinking you would look more like TJ Hooker tucking and rolling across the gravel drive
Mike (and Rock),

The door I've been using is the only one with an electric opener. I can be REAL lazy and press a button in the tank bag, ride on in, and dismount. Either I pay for another door opener (worth every penny, IMO) or use a side door as Mike suggests.

Riding through the building won't work in its present configuration. As we used to say in the Coast Guard, the building is a real s**t storm -- crap everywhere from various projects. Out the other end of the building is more gravel, too. I think the answer is to use the patio and 1 of the side doors.

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Hi Howard,

welcome to the brave bunch!

You even had the nerve to take pics...
Every time (sigh) I drop mine, a camera is the last thing that comes to my mind. I am in so much rush to get her up again and make sure nobody saw anything.

Glad you (or the bike) were not hurt.

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Howard;
While I haven't dropped my LT ( yet) I'm impressed that you have posted such a thorough analysis of the event and even had the kohonees to take such memorable pictures.
I don't think I have the right equipment to document such an event.
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Howard;
While I haven't dropped my LT ( yet) I'm impressed that you have posted such a thorough analysis of the event and even had the kohonees to take such memorable pictures.
I don't think I have the right equipment to document such an event.
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Joel (and Ari),

I think it's a sure sign of my "sickness" (i.e., obsession with the LT, my search for motorcyling "truths", and sharing too much on this site) that the first thing I did after rolling off the bike was to get the camera out of the tank bag and snap those photos. After putting the bike away I started this thread while I ate dinner. SO wasn't too happy...

No bravery or cohones (sp?) here; just hope someone learns what not to do!

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Ouch! That brings back bad memories. But at least you didn't autopark in a gas station with 20 cars around. BTW, did she shut down by herself or did you have to hit the kill switch?

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Ouch! That brings back bad memories. But at least you didn't autopark in a gas station with 20 cars around. BTW, did she shut down by herself or did you have to hit the kill switch?

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Oh, she ran just fine on her side. After the bailout I got up and turned it off.

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Gulfxray,

I had a similar experience with my wife on the back. I was following two other bikes into a gas station, and we were coming in past a stand of trees so the people filling up didn't see us right away either. Having to enter via the exit due to a rather large puddle, I was approached by a Toyota Pickup driver, and I think hit the front brake as I banked the bike. Not the right choice as I think the Toyota and I might have collided had I kept going.

No body was hurt, (we had all our gear on, which explains why you were it) and the right bumper (tipover wing) took the brunt of it and the right bag trim now has a slight gouge out of it. Could happen again so I'll wait into the summer to replace it since it's winter out here in NE now and it really doesn't matter.

Shakes you up it does and it could happen again but practise and more 2-up riding will make it perfect. Can't really blame the K!! Keeping the rpms up and working the clutch, "feathering" it, might help versus touching the front brake, I'm telling myself as well, here.

It's taken me some time to accept that this happened to me, but I can't wait to get back out there.

Great sharing this you. Seems to happen to alot of us. Kind of like the guy in Laugh-In on the tricycle. Ha ha.

Have a great night......


Thanks for sharing Rick.... I knew I should have had the rpms higher or let the clutch out slower - just had a brain fade...

I am seriously thinking about not replacing the lower fairing. If ti falls again, it'ld just punch another hole. I may just get out the Dremel and clean it up and make it look like it is suppssed to be there.

I think I'll just clean up the rough edges on the jpeg and spray paint it. Hate to be cheap, but unless someone knoew, I don't think they would notice.

I probably will replace the chrome trim on the right side saddle bag - that looks pretty bad... Might replace the black plastic on the tip over wing too...

Glad you and your wife weren't hurt in your 'incident' - boy, when the K heads down, there's no stopping her! Glad you guys had on the gear - i always gear up to regardless.

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Glad you're OK and the LT isn't too bad off either!

You might want to consider using those square concrete blocks (they come in various rectangular shapes) to replace the gravel in the area of interest. It may be helpful to use possibly three or four courses wide and adjust the height of the blocks to allow easy transition into the garage...just a thought. Safe riding!

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Glad you're OK and the LT isn't too bad off either!

You might want to consider using those square concrete blocks (they come in various rectangular shapes) to replace the gravel in the area of interest. It may be helpful to use possibly three or four courses wide and adjust the height of the blocks to allow easy transition into the garage...just a thought. Safe riding!

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Good idea. I even have a big stack of them behind the building. I'll probably just spring for more concrete out in front of the garage. In the meantime I have already switched to another overhead door, on the other side of the building. There is a 20x52 pad of concrete outside that door!

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A hairy thunderstorm with big hail etc threatened here (Minnetonka MN) last Saturday Nite, so we decided to put my son's new Subaru in the garage. In juggling bikes (2 BMWs) etc, I parked my '05 K1200LT next to his RF fender. Turned my back to check clearances on my wife's car & heard the most sicking crunch as the LT rolled off the kickstand and tipped onto the Subaru. The LT miraculously came out fine, but the Subaru is getting paint and a new fender today ($750). I'd like to have spent the money on accessories etc instead. I still can't believe the LT came thru scratch-free. It woulda cost a lot more. I didn't have the courage to take pictures.
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I hope I didn't jinx you last Saturday by talking about dropping the bike. However, thanks for the additional pointer. I'll have to add this one to the list of how to drop an LT.

Really glad to hear that you weren't injured and that the bike survived so well.
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I hope I didn't jinx you last Saturday by talking about dropping the bike. However, thanks for the additional pointer. I'll have to add this one to the list of how to drop an LT.

Really glad to hear that you weren't injured and that the bike survived so well.
Nope, it was entirely self-inflicted Bill, but thanks. This one was all my fault -- no one pulling in front of me, etc.

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