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Just How Rare Are The LTs?

Went to Lansdale Bike Night last night, which is billed as the Sturgis of the East, a slight exaggeration, but none the less, they do get about 30-40,000 people for a one night event.

Reason I went was the pulled pork sandwiches. A man's gotta eat you know. Two sandwiches one pulled pork, the other a burnt end, two walk arounds, and it's time to go home.

The people that did stop at look at my bike made basically the same comments, "Man, that's a big bike." " I didn't know BMW made motorcycles." "That's huge!".

Anyhow, all those people did come on motorcycles, and as I walked around the entire area, and saw perhaps, 10,000 motorcycles (They are parked on both sides of Main St. for about 1/2 mile, and parked on both sides of every side street in town), the only LT I saw was mine.

There were a respectful number of sport bikes (no BMWs), and a handful of Gold wings, but only one LT.

Now, one LT in 10,000 bikes tells me the LT may be the best kept secret in the motorcycle community.

Is that ratio about right, 1LT per 10,000 bikes?

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I have to agree with you about how rare our LTs are. I bought my LT about 3 weeks ago and yet have not seen another. Every time I go to bike night I hope to see another but no luck yet.
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Went to Lansdale Bike Night last night, which is billed as the Sturgis of the East, a slight exaggeration, but none the less, they do get about 30-40,000 people for a one night event.

Is that ratio about right, 1LT per 10,000 bikes?
Stefab... I don't know what the ratio is but this is exactly why I choose to ride a BMW. There aren't 10,000 of them everywhere you go. I see you have a HD background so don't take this the wrong way..... Does anyone ever turn thier head to give a Harley a second look?

BTW, where is this event? Its an easy ride for me from NNJ and we might just have 2 LTs show up.
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Stefab... I don't know what the ratio is but this is exactly why I choose to ride a BMW. There aren't 10,000 of them everywhere you go. I see you have a HD background so don't take this the wrong way..... Does anyone ever turn thier head to give a Harley a second look?

BTW, where is this event? Its an easy ride for me from NNJ and we might just have 2 LTs show up.
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I'm not sure the LT to other bikes ratio is the one that is important.

It appears you have stumbled across a frequently demonstrated ratio -- the Poser to Motorcyclist ratio.

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I'm not sure the LT to other bikes ratio is the one that is important.

It appears you have stumbled across a frequently demonstrated ratio -- the Poser to Motorcyclist ratio.

A poser's fourth most popular saying is "I didn't know BMW made motorcycles"

OK... I'll bite. What are the first three?
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OK... I'll bite. What are the first three?
One of them has to be "Loud obnoxious pipes save lives" got to be one.

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Stefab... I don't know what the ratio is but this is exactly why I choose to ride a BMW. There aren't 10,000 of them everywhere you go. I see you have a HD background so don't take this the wrong way..... Does anyone ever turn thier head to give a Harley a second look?.
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Now, one LT in 10,000 bikes tells me the LT may be the best kept secret in the motorcycle community.

Is that ratio about right, 1LT per 10,000 bikes?
I went for a little ride this morning out in the Texas Hill Country. All back roads of course. about 3 hours and 150 miles later I have seen about 40 to 50 bikes today. No counting the 15 or so HD's parked at a gas station over half of the bikes I saw where BMW's and 5 or 6 where LT's. So it must be a "Regional Thing" just not many LT's in your reagion

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Just finished a 4400 mile odyssey to WVa and back fromn Las Vegas..Saw about 10 BMW's and, I think, 3 LT's on the Interstates during my 14 day ride..Around here in Las Vegas I've come across 2 other Lt's..One at a stoplight near Green Valley Resort and the other going same direction on the freeway(he passed me)..

Guess they're not so scarce here..
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#2 - I don't need a helmet (or gear)
Wow just found out I was a poser. Do they have some kind of award for most miles travelled by a Poser?
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Just went for a little 70 mile ride to try out the new Corbin, had to clear my head after the KC Chiefs game(bengals suck). Anyway I passed 3 BMWs a GS, an LT and an RT on I-70.

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3 weekends ago, I took a 1400 mile trip up the center of Michigan, all around the Upper Peninsula, back down the West side of the state then across the Southern end back to Detroit. Saw many BMWísÖmostly RTís and GSís and 3 older K1100LTís No other 1200LTís in 3 days. Seems to be pretty rare around Michigan, I guess.

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No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
CA = 466
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No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
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Cool Dick. 15 members in KS, must be in the Eastern half. I think I have the only LT west of Salina though. Till you get to the Colorado border anyway.

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Well when I get back to visit my relatives in Plainville and Hays there will be two! I was almost there last week, my uncle died and I would have been at his service but I had to be in court.

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No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
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OH = 90
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KS = 15
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Has there ever been a PA/OH Regional Rally? Seems like there's enough LTs to make it a fun event, seeing how we're almost neighbors
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Has there ever been a PA/OH Regional Rally? Seems like there's enough LTs to make it a fun event, seeing how we're almost neighbors
I wouldn't call it a "rally", but we did have had LTs from OH, IN, and PA at my place at the same time... during a Tech Session in June. Last month, we had LTs from OH, IN, and NC.

Hmmmmm.... this gets me to thinking: a regional LT Rally? We could do that... would depend on the interest shown, # of attendees, etc.

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CCR is the place to go if you want MLS (Maximum LT Sightings). Saw about 300 of them there!

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How rare are Lts?

I just got back from the Roar to the Shore in Wildwood NJ.
I saw 1 Lt. there beside mine, It felt good to see another brother!
As stated the Lt,s got most of the 2nd looks and deservingly so!
As far as the statement "you are destroying America by buying that foreign crap!!"
Well I had four Harleys and most of the stock electrical devices and after parts are made in the good old Republic of China. Go figure!
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Well when I get back to visit my relatives in Plainville and Hays there will be two! I was almost there last week, my uncle died and I would have been at his service but I had to be in court.
Sorry to hear about your uncle. If you come this way to visit give me a day or two notice and I will clear out my calendar to go riding. Someone from the board stopped in Hays awhile back but I was tied up with the inlaws.

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Went to Port Dover in Ontario today - home of the Friday the 13th rides and felt really lonely. Saw a couple of other tourers, Wings and Ventures, but mainly just a lot of rugged individuals all dressed in Orange and Black on V-twins. As William S of Olde England said "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

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Cool Dick. 15 members in KS, must be in the Eastern half. I think I have the only LT west of Salina though. Till you get to the Colorado border anyway.
You're just about right, Todd --- although Haven, KS is just a tad west of Salina (on a map page) and there are two LT owners in Haven. Rest of the owners are in eastern KS, 'cept for one in Newton.
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You're just about right, Todd --- although Haven, KS is just a tad west of Salina (on a map page) and there are two LT owners in Haven. Rest of the owners are in eastern KS, 'cept for one in Newton.
Thanks Dick. Good to know I got the only LT west of Haven. Hey, we ain't gonna end up in that whole center of the United States thing again, are we?

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Mmmm, any way to generate a dynamicly updated listing for each state? May be a good bit of info for the 'trivia' thread. Well, at least the site trivia thread

Even a static list, maybe updated once a year... (easy suggestion for the guy that ain't doing it!)

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Mmmm, any way to generate a dynamicly updated listing for each state? May be a good bit of info for the 'trivia' thread. Well, at least the site trivia thread

Even a static list, maybe updated once a year... (easy suggestion for the guy that ain't doing it!)
Tate - not sure if this is gonna answer your question, butt - it's easy to generate a state listing of who's who, using the Member List's search function at the 'Advanced Search' clicker.

I just fill in the state name and USA in the form and click the page. Most of the time, gotta do it twice, as in "KS" once and "Kansas" once. Gonna get some Ar"Kansas" under the "Kansas" list, but easy to not count.

I think you can also narrow the list to "City" within a state if you need to.

This will generate a list of folks in the state that have 'elected' to fill out their profile to include 'state', etc. Won't catch the incognito folks.

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I went to Glacier NP this summer (unfortunately not on the LT, but did see some other BMW's on the trip. Didn't keep track of the #'s. Haven't seen any others in Rochester, MN yet. But the attention the bike gets, from being "rare" is nice. Hope BMW keeps making them.

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Anyhow, all those people did come on motorcycles, and as I walked around the entire area, and saw perhaps, 10,000 motorcycles (They are parked on both sides of Main St. for about 1/2 mile, and parked on both sides of every side street in town), the only LT I saw was mine.
That's because you'll find most LTs out on the road, not parked in poser paradise. (Wow, second stereotypical HD-bashing post in a row. Joe must be getting to me. )

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Hmmmmm.... this gets me to thinking: a regional LT Rally?
There are several already. We have WCR on the west coast, and STC in the east (or south, whatever ). Pick a day and start a thread, and they will come.

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There are several already. We have WCR on the west coast, and STC in the east (or south, whatever ). Pick a day and start a thread, and they will come.
Yep, I've heard of those, and been to one (STC). I was thinking something informal, low-key, low-maintenance, minimal (i.e., no) organization, etc., with no aspirations of becoming an "event". Advertise a date and a place and see who shows up.

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Went to Lansdale Bike Night last night, which is billed as the Sturgis of the East, a slight exaggeration, but none the less, they do get about 30-40,000 people for a one night event.

Reason I went was the pulled pork sandwiches. A man's gotta eat you know. Two sandwiches one pulled pork, the other a burnt end, two walk arounds, and it's time to go home.

The people that did stop at look at my bike made basically the same comments, "Man, that's a big bike." " I didn't know BMW made motorcycles." "That's huge!".

Anyhow, all those people did come on motorcycles, and as I walked around the entire area, and saw perhaps, 10,000 motorcycles (They are parked on both sides of Main St. for about 1/2 mile, and parked on both sides of every side street in town), the only LT I saw was mine.

There were a respectful number of sport bikes (no BMWs), and a handful of Gold wings, but only one LT.

Now, one LT in 10,000 bikes tells me the LT may be the best kept secret in the motorcycle community.

Is that ratio about right, 1LT per 10,000 bikes?
Not even close. maybe .1 in 10k biles maybe

I think last I knew there were only 15k (or something like that) total K1200LTs that had been produced.

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#1 - Loud Pipes Save Lives
#2 - I don't need a helmet (or gear)
#3 - something about anything other than a Harley isn't really a motorcycle

actually they say helmets are dangerous, the can break your neck and kill you. YES the great improved ABATE Motorcycle Safety Awareness Program actually stated that to a group of kids in School in FL

the real funny thing about #3 is Harley hasn't produced a motorcycle since 1969 and the rubs don't even know it!

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Thanks to all for your replies.

I'm just thrilled to be a part of this community and to have discovered the LT.

I came from a HD background, and man, what a world of difference, not only in the bike and how it handles/performs compared to my Ultra, but also in the community.

Yes, there is a strong HD sense of family, and that's a good things, but most of the discussions are not about the ride, but the bike, and what's been added (in the way of chrome), etc. Nothing wrong with that, just different from the LT crowd where the emphasis is on where you've ridden over what you've added to your bike.

There was a statement somewhere on this board that went something like this, "There are riders, and there are bikers."

Having owned an LT for close to two months, the truth of the statement has hit home.
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Thanks to all for your replies.

I'm just thrilled to be a part of this community and to have discovered the LT.

I came from a HD background, and man, what a world of difference, not only in the bike and how it handles/performs compared to my Ultra, but also in the community.

Yes, there is a strong HD sense of family, and that's a good things, but most of the discussions are not about the ride, but the bike, and what's been added (in the way of chrome), etc. Nothing wrong with that, just different from the LT crowd where the emphasis is on where you've ridden over what you've added to your bike.

There was a statement somewhere on this board that went something like this, "There are riders, and there are bikers."

Having owned an LT for close to two months, the truth of the statement has hit home.

I've rode Hd since I was 18 years old, till 08-02 the good ol days of brotherhood (what you call a sense of family) in the HD community has been long lost, today it is just a fashion fad and a false "sense" of family, there are a few old timers that know what I mean here on this board.

The meaning of Biker has long since changed as well.

Welcome to the real world of motorcycling, stepping up to and cllimbing on the LT, meeting serious riders form all over the world will be enlightening to say the least.
that is IF you decide to do so!

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the real funny thing about #3 is Harley hasn't produced a motorcycle since 1969 and the rubs don't even know it!

<grin>
That would be 1970 not 1969, Dec 1969 they signed the deal with AMF.
1970 was the first year of the AMF logo, while they moved the assembly plant to York, PA and retooled.
Ever since they have yearly increased the part use by their overseas factory Chinky Davidson
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No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
CA = 466

It looks like 46% are in California. Why not have CCR in California sometime soon?
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Welcome to the real world of motorcycling, stepping up to and cllimbing on the LT, meeting serious riders form all over the world will be enlightening to say the least.
that is IF you decide to do so! ...
Oh yeah , that's exactly what I've decided to do
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Stefab... I don't know what the ratio is but this is exactly why I choose to ride a BMW. There aren't 10,000 of them everywhere you go. I see you have a HD background so don't take this the wrong way..... Does anyone ever turn thier head to give a Harley a second look?

BTW, where is this event? Its an easy ride for me from NNJ and we might just have 2 LTs show up.
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I think Lansdale is just south of Allentown, if thats the case we might be up to 3 LTs I never heard of the event

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I've rode Hd since I was 18 years old, till 08-02 the good ol days of brotherhood (what you call a sense of family) in the HD community has been long lost, today it is just a fashion fad and a false "sense" of family, there are a few old timers that know what I mean here on this board.

The meaning of Biker has long since changed as well.
I do hear you, and agree. I'll still keep my '84 FXR(T) and ride it until I pass, though.
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I think Lansdale is just south of Allentown, if thats the case we might be up to 3 LTs I never heard of the event
Yep. About 35 miles south of Allentown, maybe 40 miles north of Phila.

Here's the link for future reference.

The only reason to go is for the pulled-pork sandwhiches, but they are good.

It would be great to see 3/4 LTs all parked together. Be like an alien invasion , or sumpin' like that.
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It looks like 46% are in California. Why not have CCR in California sometime soon?
...AND we can split lanes!!!

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...AND we can split lanes!!!
In the belief there are not dumb questions...What does "splitting lanes mean?"

Either we can't do it in PA, or we can, and I've never tried.

Thanks.
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Oh, that means that on a road with multiple lanes in each direction, you can ride between vehicles going the same direction as you are, sort of riding the lane markings. I think it is a very dangerous activity but it is legal in some states but not Penn, I don;t think.


And by the way, I think that, generally speaking, the lack of LTs at such bike week gatherings is because we, as a group, don't go to such things. We would rather ride than style.

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