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post #1 of 42 Old Aug 30th, 2006, 5:51 pm Thread Starter
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Red face I just joined the rear end crowd! UGH!

19,000 miles............rear end failure. I just hauled it home so I'm not in to it yet. From the sound of it I believe the inside bearing went first. Rear wheel had no play side to side. (IE grab wheel at 3 and 9 o'clock and no movement) Then it made a grumpling noise(sound like a wheel or tire rythem). Stopped and checked tires at a cycle shop and found nothing wrong. So thought I could limp home.............noooope..........it got worse so stopped after a few miles. Just as I stopped the oil seal gave up.

My plan tomorrow is to remove the rear end and take it to the dealer for repair.
Wish me luck..................

QUESTION?? Should I expect this to happen within the next 19,000 miles?

Any other suggestions appreciated from you gurus.


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so much for the theory that '03s and newer are immune .... (sigh)
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My thought as well

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so much for the theory that '03s and newer are immune .... (sigh)
Yep, that's what I thought too.

Guess the clutch slave will be next. Ugh!


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Yep, that's what I thought too.

Guess the clutch slave will be next. Ugh!
Shoot. Darn it anyway!!!

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Yep, that's what I thought too.

Guess the clutch slave will be next. Ugh!
Vern - sorry 'bout the 'event' happening to ya ... dang. Lissen, what wuz the build date of your scoot? It's under the rider's seat, right side near the battery.

Also, after you git it all well and back on the road, please do that leetle bit of bookeeping and fill out the survey that El Jeffe has set up for final drive failures. And of course, doing the paperwork for the NHTSB, under the suggested category, is encouraged too.

You gonna try to get your dealer to work with BMW NA and good-will a warranty fix? You should, if you have a good relationship with your dealer and they'll go to bat for ya. Kindly let us know what happens, Vern.
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Yep, those are the exact symptoms. Bummer.

Before pulling the drive, call your dealer and ask about, no insist on a warranty repair. I don't know when the original sell date was, but 19K is well within warranty.

If the drive is rebuilt properly and shimmed correctly, then it should last just fine. If it is rebuilt poorly, then it may fail again relatively soon. We've seen both happen here. I'd push for a full replacement drive and see where that gets you. Top of the line bike, known failure mode, you may have to sell it and buy a 'Wing or HD, etc. If you have a good dealer, they'll go to bat for you with BMW NA.

My '99 had the drive rebuilt and seemed fine for another 10K miles until I got rid of the bike. My '02 had an entire new rear drive unit fitted and has been fine for the next 70K miles (so far).

I'd also be interested in the build date. Hm, can we count this as a CCR failure?

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Sorry to hear about your failure Vern; I hope this will be covered under warranty since your bike is an '03 with little mileage.

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so much for the theory that '03s and newer are immune .... (sigh)
Depends -- what is the build date of the bike? Current belief is that it was sometime in the '03 model year that the new bearing started to appear. If this was an early production '03, it could still be an old bearing.

If replaced with a new bearing, and the housing (if reused) is squeaky-clean, there's no "life expectancy" -- it should last like any of the newer bikes.

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My 2000 drive failed at 25400 miles in 2004. They replaced the entire drive out of warrantee since it was not over the 36K point. It was over the 36 months however. I had all service records and I printed the el jeffe survey (about 200 pages) and took it in to the service manager.

Be nice about it, but be firm and make it clear that you are informed and will not settle for any out of pocket costs at all. I would even insist on a new factory drive, not a rebuild.

Its becoming pretty clear that this unit is simply under-engineered with very little to zero headroom. A bearing modification here and there, add 2 balls, take 2 balls, is silly. The thing needs to be redesigned straightaway for the giant mass that the LT is. Add to the fact that many LT's are ridden 2-up by larger folk adds insult to injury since its likely there could be 1400 pounds of bike, gear, and humanity rolling down the road.

That's a tall order for any drive to fulfill.
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mfg date

0703 is the mfg date.

Guess I'm in the dark about the el jeffe survey. Do I get that from the dealer or is it on this board?

Sounds like I need to go see my dealer before I do anything to the bike.

Thanks.....you guys are a big help.


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The Rear Drive Survey can be found here.

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It's becoming pretty clear that this unit is simply under-engineered with very little to zero headroom. A bearing modification here and there, add 2 balls, take 2 balls, is silly. The thing needs to be redesigned straightaway for the giant mass that the LT is.
Eric, many of us have been there already, and have moved on. Just keep riding and if it fails, then get it fixed. In fact BMW has redesigned the final drive, and even made it sealed and maintenance free. You just have to buy one of their newly redesigned bikes to get it.

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A drivetrain failure of this frequency and severity in any automotive application would have amounted to a formal recall long, long ago. Dealers would be sending out notices to bring the thing back for a full factory replacement, not having to buy a new bike to fix it. Also, riding it till it fails isnt the way I prefer to approach things. But that's just me.
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A drivetrain failure of this frequency and severity in any automotive application would have amounted to a formal recall long, long ago. Dealers would be sending out notices to bring the thing back for a full factory replacement, not having to buy a new bike to fix it. Also, riding it till it fails isnt the way I prefer to approach things. But that's just me.
i agree with you 100 percent. some members have taken BMW to task, saying pretty much ed zachary what you are saying, face to face, with factory reps. no love. it seems BMW doesn't care much about its customers. it's the reason i have little-to-no brand loyalty.

don't get me wrong ... i love my bike. never had a bit of problem with it at 36k (it is also an '03). but if something better comes along i won't hesitate to jump ship. i go on rides to some pretty out-of-the-way places, and i'd really rather not get stuck there with my wife when there are reliable two-wheeled alternatives, like the wing.
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The Rear Drive Survey can be found here.
Thanks, I've filled it out and am preparing to send the 2 emails.
One to [email protected]
and [email protected]

This afternoon I plan to go to the Dealer that sold the bike new(not to me) and armed with a copy of my reports and the great info from this board to see if the fix can be done via warranty.

Does that sound appropriate???


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Definitely appropriate. If your bike is not a candidate for full warrantee replacement, I don't know what would be. Your out of pocket expense should be a big, fat ZERO.
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Thanks, I've filled it out and am preparing to send the 2 emails.
One to [email protected]
and [email protected]
Send another e-mail to this guy here, chances are he'll forward it to BMW NA


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I was not aware of rear end failures on the LT. Mine started leaking while on 5200 mile vacation. Came back and dealer fixed it under warranty. About 14000 miles.
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Thumbs up Zippy, you are right!

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Sorry to hear about your failure Vern; I hope this will be covered under warranty since your bike is an '03 with little mileage.
It's 3:30 PM thursday and I just got back from the 200 mile round trip to the Kansas City dealer(Engle Motor's, Inc). Unbeknown to me, the warranty on my '03 LT has a few more months. YeeHaa, so I'm covered. Of course they can't do it until 9/14. Hope they don't have to order any parts as then it will be much longer.

I bought the bike used from a HD dealer and they told me the warranty had ended and just took them for their word. Big Hugh mistake.

However, I'm still glad I filled out the survey as I still think this is an issue that BMW should correct for ALL of us. It just isn't safe.

Thank you all for your comments and help.
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Ya know what they say, Vern? Good thangs happen to good people. You must be one of 'em!!

Another good thang - I think Engle has performed a few of those repairs, so their experience is to your benefit, too.

See ya back on the road in a coupla weeks - hunnert years from now, you'll forget the whole thang!!


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It's 3:30 PM thursday and I just got back from the 200 mile round trip to the Kansas City dealer(Engle Motor's, Inc). Unbeknown to me, the warranty on my '03 LT has a few more months. YeeHaa, so I'm covered. Of course they can't do it until 9/14. Hope they don't have to order any parts as then it will be much longer.

I bought the bike used from a HD dealer and they told me the warranty had ended and just took them for their word. Big Hugh mistake.

However, I'm still glad I filled out the survey as I still think this is an issue that BMW should correct for ALL of us. It just isn't safe.

Thank you all for your comments and help.
Relieved in MO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vern

I sure didn't sleep very well last night!
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Glad it worked out for you, Vern. A good dealer is priceless.

And Dick is right. A couple of hundred miles from now it'll all be forgotten.

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Escalate!

"A drivetrain failure of this frequency and severity in any automotive application would have amounted to a formal recall long, long ago."

Has EVERYONE that has been affected by this, reported the "defect" to NHTSA? One additional way to make your voices heard, if this medium applies to bikes as well.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

Sqeeky wheel gets the oil, or something like that.
The guys on the RT forum should do the same!

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"A drivetrain failure of this frequency and severity in any automotive application would have amounted to a formal recall long, long ago."

Has EVERYONE that has been affected by this, reported the "defect" to NHTSA? One additional way to make your voices heard, if this medium applies to bikes as well.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
The form is very easy to fill out and only took a few minutes. I did have to go out to the bike once for pertinent info. Maybe as a group we can get a head turned.


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Well Triple V, I am glad your warranty was still in effect and covered the repair.
Sorry about the couple weeks without your mount, but it sure beats having to wait that much time AND having to pay out of pocket!
My '03 is under warranty until December, although I have over 35 k miles on it with a few months to go.
Are you contemplating getting an extended warranty? I was quoted a little over $1.300 for 3 additional years by BMW of Ventura. Not sure yet what I'll do in December... Buy or just stand-by... ?

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I'm not sure either.

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Well Triple V, I am glad your warranty was still in effect and covered the repair.
Sorry about the couple weeks without your mount, but it sure beats having to wait that much time AND having to pay out of pocket!
My '03 is under warranty until December, although I have over 35 k miles on it with a few months to go.
Are you contemplating getting an extended warranty? I was quoted a little over $1.300 for 3 additional years by BMW of Ventura. Not sure yet what I'll do in December... Buy or just stand-by... ?
Zippy,
To be up front, I wasn't expecting to deal with anything major on such a nice machine. But, I was fooled in that department. It would only take one major breakdown to make the extended warranty pay.

My experience over the years on other vehicles never paid to have the extended warranty. However I guess one could rest easier if one had the coverage. These bikes are machines and do require expensive repairs.

I've got a couple months to think about it.

Thanks for the mention.


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My experience over the years on other vehicles never paid to have the extended warranty. However I guess one could rest easier if one had the coverage. These bikes are machines and do require expensive repairs.

I've got a couple months to think about it.

Thanks for the mention.
Yup, we are on the same boat.

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"A drivetrain failure of this frequency and severity in any automotive application would have amounted to a formal recall long, long ago."

Has EVERYONE that has been affected by this, reported the "defect" to NHTSA? One additional way to make your voices heard, if this medium applies to bikes as well.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

Sqeeky wheel gets the oil, or something like that.
The guys on the RT forum should do the same!
NHTSA is well aware of the issue -- including some of us having direct conversations with a guy who reviews reports from citizens and identifies issues to be pursued with manufacturers (a guy who also happens to own/ride a BMW, and is as interested in the issue as we are).

As I understand it, the long and the short of it is that because he has never received a report of an actual injury attributable to a final drive failure, and there does not appear to be a failure mechanism which could potentially result in an immediate hazard situation (i.e., these always fail with enough warning to get safely to the side of the road), it's not a recall issue -- there's no "problem" meeting the safety criteria that define the thresholds at which an issue is formally run up the chain for action.

Yes, that sucks, but unless someone comes up with a credible immediate danger scenario, the simple truth is NHTSA's not going to do anything on it.

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It's 3:30 PM thursday and I just got back from the 200 mile round trip to the Kansas City dealer(Engle Motor's, Inc). Unbeknown to me, the warranty on my '03 LT has a few more months. YeeHaa, so I'm covered. Of course they can't do it until 9/14. Hope they don't have to order any parts as then it will be much longer.

I bought the bike used from a HD dealer and they told me the warranty had ended and just took them for their word. Big Hugh mistake.

However, I'm still glad I filled out the survey as I still think this is an issue that BMW should correct for ALL of us. It just isn't safe.

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Relieved in MO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vern

I sure didn't sleep very well last night!
Yep all the work was done under warranty for the final drive fix and they did it a week sooner than they first told me.

For those interested, the parts cost was a little over $500. Sure glad the warranty was in effect.

Picked it up today and had a fine 1 1/2 hour ride home.

Engle's doesn't offer an extended warranty so will call Pinnacle to see about getting something. Engles says I need to make sure that they (Engles) accept the warranty that I purchase and what specific as to what it covers.

BY THE WAY, Engles drilled the seep hole at the clutch slave while they had it in for the final drive repair. I thought that was nice of them to do that for me.

So now, it's back to HAPPY riding...........................


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I bought my 03 used this past June and it has 18K on it now. I looked under the seat and it says 07/02..should I be worried about the wheel bearing? What is the date that BMW may have changed it? My warranty is good until December, Maybe I should ask the dealer?
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I bought my 03 used this past June and it has 18K on it now. I looked under the seat and it says 07/02..should I be worried about the wheel bearing? What is the date that BMW may have changed it? My warranty is good until December, Maybe I should ask the dealer?

Hi, I just learned that when you change the final drive oil and it is DIRTY, then you better have the bearing checked.

They suggested I change the final drive oil each time I changed the engine oil.

My final drive oil was changed at 12000 miles and it WAS DIRTY, but I sure didn't know it was a sign of bearing failure coming. They told me the oil should be clean looking when it's changed. Ugh! Live and learn.

As for your bike, I'd sure ask your dealer about it. I understand that the percentage of bikes with my problem is less than 4%. Guess I got the lemon.

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My understanding is that the cleanliness of the final drive oil is not a good indicator of impending failure.

I seem to recall several cases where the oil had recently been changed and looked almost new only to have a final drive failure soon after.

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Lightbulb It's just what I was told today.....

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My understanding is that the cleanliness of the final drive oil is not a good indicator of impending failure.

I seem to recall several cases where the oil had recently been changed and looked almost new only to have a final drive failure soon after.
That may be true. All I can say is what the dealer told me today. Guess it is just an opinion. However when I change the oil in 4-5000 miles from today and it's dirty, I'll be down to see my dealer for a diagnosis of the oil. Other wise, we just ride til the final drive gives up. (or not)


I still think 19000 miles is way to soon for a final drive failure to occur in the first place. No matter how it has been ridden.


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Well Triple V, I am glad your warranty was still in effect and covered the repair.
Sorry about the couple weeks without your mount, but it sure beats having to wait that much time AND having to pay out of pocket!
My '03 is under warranty until December, although I have over 35 k miles on it with a few months to go.
Are you contemplating getting an extended warranty? I was quoted a little over $1.300 for 3 additional years by BMW of Ventura. Not sure yet what I'll do in December... Buy or just stand-by... ?
I was looking at extended warranties and came across one from Quality Warranties and they quoted about $650 for 2 years, but it run concurrent to the existing BMW one, I was going to wait until just before mine runs out in December
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0703 is the mfg date.

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Sorry for your loss..
Well I just checked my build date--you guessed it 07/03. I have 16.6k on mine guess I'm fine for another 2.5 K, you recon?? What kind of lube were you using in yours?

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PS: I now see you were covered under w arranty. That's great. Still wonder if oil type vs failures shows any correlation, etc.

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Be sure to add your failure to the rear drive survey

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Lightbulb I used BMW 80/90 lube

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Sorry for your loss..
Well I just checked my build date--you guessed it 07/03. I have 16.6k on mine guess I'm fine for another 2.5 K, you recon?? What kind of lube were you using in yours?

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PS: I now see you were covered under w arranty. That's great. Still wonder if oil type vs failures shows any correlation, etc.
I used BMW 80/90 lube. The dealer sold it to me for tranny and final drive. I'd like to know too if a heavier or synthetic would be better than BMW oils.

Beats me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Hmmm....feelin' better all the time about the beautiful Wing in my garage parked next to my '05 LT.
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I used BMW 80/90 lube. The dealer sold it to me for tranny and final drive. I'd like to know too if a heavier or synthetic would be better than BMW oils.

Beats me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After 1000 miles breakin on my warrantee replaced drive, I put this http://redlineoil.com/whitePaper/11....0shockproof%22 in there. 15K miles later and 2 changes, never more than a matchhead sized clump of grey paste on the magnet. And the thing is dead quiet and smooth. It coats, it soothes, it cools. Shockproof heavy is truly pepto-bismol for the gears.
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Dealers make a lot of statements that aren't necessarily true. I've changed my oil, engine, transmission and rearend, every 6K since I got the bike 51,000 miles ago. It has all been dirty every time it has been changed. JM2CW

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Re: I just joined the rear end crowd! UGH!

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I was looking at extended warranties and came across one from Quality Warranties and they quoted about $650 for 2 years, but it run concurrent to the existing BMW one, I was going to wait until just before mine runs out in December
I'm looking into getting a warranty from Quality Warranties now. I recently bought an '06 (with only 3,125 miles on it) and the factory warranty expires this December because the bike was put "in-service" in December '05 and sold in September '07 to the original purchaser (who neglected to tell me the warranty would expire soon).

Anyway, did you or anyone else get a warranty from Quality Warranties and are you happy with it?

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To me warranty isn't the issue. It is trying to get everything and everyone back home when the FD shells out in the middle of nowhere. We need a rapid source of replacement FDs.
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NHTSA is well aware of the issue -- including some of us having direct conversations with a guy who reviews reports from citizens and identifies issues to be pursued with manufacturers (a guy who also happens to own/ride a BMW, and is as interested in the issue as we are).

As I understand it, the long and the short of it is that because he has never received a report of an actual injury attributable to a final drive failure, and there does not appear to be a failure mechanism which could potentially result in an immediate hazard situation (i.e., these always fail with enough warning to get safely to the side of the road), it's not a recall issue -- there's no "problem" meeting the safety criteria that define the thresholds at which an issue is formally run up the chain for action.

Yes, that sucks, but unless someone comes up with a credible immediate danger scenario, the simple truth is NHTSA's not going to do anything on it.
Anyone care to volunteer to get horrendously maimed due to a final drive failure? We'd all be very grateful......

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