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Question Attaching A Temp. Sign to the LT

I'm going to print and laminate a sign to be temporarily put on the back of the top case for the trip to CCR. Any issues with taping this to the BMW paint? Any recommendations on what kind of tape will come off a few days later and not damage the paint?

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I would just punch holes in the corners of the sign and use some kind of non-marring tether to attach it (bungie, shoe laces, drapery cord...whatever).

Some attachment points that come to mind: the top-box rack if you have one and some adhesive mounted hooks inside the top-box.

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Tape non-marring

I have used 3M Blue painters masking tape on my bikes for temporary signs, does not harm the paint. Available at your home supply stores, like Lowe's and Home Depot.

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Vinyl tape works best. Painters tape can be real hard to remove after a couple of days in the sun

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Any recommendations on what kind of tape will come off a few days later and not damage the paint?
  • Gaff tape
  • Gaffer's tape
  • Tape de la Gaff
  • The tape that gaffers use
  • Umm . . . oh yea! How 'bout Gaff tape?!
It's the only thing that I'll stick to my BMW.
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  • Gaff tape
  • Gaffer's tape
  • Tape de la Gaff
  • The tape that gaffers use
  • Umm . . . oh yea! How 'bout Gaff tape?!
It's the only thing that I'll stick to my BMW.
... is that the same as 'duck' (duct?) tape - I call it gaffer tape, but my ride buddies call it duck/duct tape - well sticky, but leaves no residue, even after a couple of weeks, - great under tank bags etc.

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... is that the same as 'duck' (duct?) tape - I call it gaffer tape, but my ride buddies call it duck/duct tape - well sticky, but leaves no residue, even after a couple of weeks, - great under tank bags etc.
I never thought duct tape would be "approved for use" on paint, but what the heck. Awaiting anxiously a response to your question. I have duct tape and painter's tape on hand. Anything else I'll have to go get. Not leaving until Sunday so plenty of time.

Vinyl tape: never heard of it. Any brand names?

I don't have a top rack, so that's not an option for me. Maybe I'll duct tape the sign to the back of my jacket.

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You kidding?? Duct (Duck brand) grey tape?? Stuff used to permenantly attache HVAC duct work? Similar to, but not quite as strong as that impenetrable super stickum called "100 mile an hour" tape by our Buds in Dod employ??

Man - as many times as I've used that junk for hold'n wires and cables down I *know* the ugly, sticky mess it can leave behind. Special if it's been heated (sun) or gotten wet. I wouldn't let that stuff near ANYTHING I ever wanted clean again. I even throw away CAT5 cables that have that junk on 'em. Cheaper to buy new than spend billable time trying to deal with the mess.

Whatever tape you use. I'd make durn sure I had a good coat of quality wax down first. That way if it does get goopy, you've a chance of cleaning it up without make'n a problem.

Personally I'd use the Blue painters tape - but change it out daily. Stuff's cheap.

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You kidding?? Duct (Duck brand) grey tape?? Stuff used to permenantly attache HVAC duct work? Similar to, but not quite as strong as that impenetrable super stickum called "100 mile an hour" tape by our Buds in Dod employ??

Personally I'd use the Blue painters tape - but change it out daily. Stuff's cheap.
Duct tape sounded way wrong to me, too, but apparently it's what someone else uses. I'll stay away from it -- thanks.

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16 penny framing nails shot from a Senco framing gun at 120 psi? No goopy mess there.



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Now *THATS* what I'm talk'n 'bout!

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3M makes vinyl tape in all sizes and colors. But, If you have the blue painters tape on hand I would use it. Just check it after 3 days and replace when it starts resisting the urge to pull up from the paint. Its actually pretty good tape, almost as good as the green painters tape which gets pretty costly.

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Gaff Tape Is Not Duct Tape!!!

Gaff tape (recommended in an earlier post) is definately NOT the same as duct tape. We use tons of Gaff tape at our church as it has super holding ability, but does not leave adhesive behind when pulled off. I do not know if it would be OK on BMW paint, but would suspect so. You could "google" gaff tape and find it. But never would I put normal duct tape on my paint. FWIW

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I'm going to print and laminate a sign to be temporarily put on the back of the top case for the trip to CCR. Any issues with taping this to the BMW paint? Any recommendations on what kind of tape will come off a few days later and not damage the paint?

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May I ask a stupid question? What does the sign say "CCR or Bust"??

P.S. I don't think that the blue painters tape will stick well enough to survive the trip. YMMV

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16 penny framing nails shot from a Senco framing gun at 120 psi? No goopy mess there.
Geez Grif;

He wanted to stick it on the back trunk, not have it anchored to the passenger's back rest...

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I do not know if it would be OK on BMW paint, but would suspect so. You could "google" gaff tape and find it. But never would I put normal duct tape on my paint. FWIW
I have used Gaff tape on my LT over and over and over again, and it has never been a problem. That's the beauty of it. And on my CCR trip on the GT, I plan on using it on the grab handles, to protect them against scratches where I am using Bungees for my seatbag.
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Geez Grif;

He wanted to stick it on the back trunk, not have it anchored to the passenger's back rest...
There could be a win/win stitch-a-tation here. If the passenger was in place, she soitanly wouldn't fall off when she fell asleep.



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Sorry guys +1 gaff tape

Gaff Tape (also Gaffer’s Tape):
This special grade of duct tape (often colored black) was developed by the entertainment industry to hold lighting equipment and cables in place and has a dull finish so that it won’t reflect lights.
Can be used outdoors, tolerates UV rays. Gaff Tape also has a specially formulated, less tacky adhesive that won’t leave a residue when it is removed.

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I use black gaff tape on my Avalance mirrors to ptotect them before mounting the $50 (cheapass but work great) slip on mirror extensions.


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May I ask a stupid question? What does the sign say "CCR or Bust"??

P.S. I don't think that the blue painters tape will stick well enough to survive the trip. YMMV
Nope, it's a good question. The sign says "CCR" (first line), and "FRS ch 2" (second line). The thinking is, anyone who passes me on the way to CCR will know how to call me up (assuming I get the radio working by then). If they're not going to CCR and have an FRS radio then we can chat, too. Might be fun -- break the monotony, you know.

You could argue that anyone going to CCR already knows what channel to use. This will be a friendly reminder.

Thanks for all the advice. I'll give the painter's tape a try. I have some of that around here somewhere.

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Mind if I copy your idea?
Not at all. My Word doc is attached. I found that this size is the biggest I can print it but still fit it on the top half of the top case, to the left of the BMW roundel.

My plan is to laminate it (local office supply store) and then tape it to the top case.
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How about a little bigger still...and using the Arial font as it's a bit more readable? I'm not fond of the font, but it is easier to read the TNR.

see attachment...
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How about a little bigger still...and using the Arial font as it's a bit more readable? I'm not fond of the font, but it is easier to read the TNR.

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What is "TNR"?

You can make the sign bigger, filling more of an 8.5 x 11 page, but that won't fit on the space I want for the sign -- which is the area on the top case lid (the lid only), to the left of the roundel. If the sign spans the top and bottom halves of the top case it will be inconvenient to open the lid.

And we won't get into a debate on serif (Times Roman, e.g.) v. sans-serif (Arial) fonts. Typesetting pros will tell you that a serif font is easier to read than a sans-serif font. I was thinking of going with Olde Gothic, actually.

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What is "TNR"?

You can make the sign bigger, filling more of an 8.5 x 11 page, but that won't fit on the space I want for the sign -- which is the area on the top case lid (the lid only), to the left of the roundel. If the sign spans the top and bottom halves of the top case it will be inconvenient to open the lid.
TNR = Times New Roman
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All this talk of tape reminded me of something...........

Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the
universe together.

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Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
And my saying goes...
Duct tape is for DUCTS! For just about everything else, GAFF!
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And my saying goes...
Duct tape is for DUCTS! For just about everything else, GAFF!
OK, sir, so what kind of store can I go to to find gaff tape? My plan is to use painter's tape (blue, not green) along with my tethered mirrors (black zip ties, not white ) unless I can find gaff tape.

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First off!

You attended Joes instructional talk on tape at the first tech session. (Or were you busy getting your helmet buddy installer's jouneyman's card )
Your a singer, Gaffers tape is for musicians, so you can just kife it off them and not feel bad about it.
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You attended Joes instructional talk on tape at the first tech session. (Or were you busy getting your helmet buddy installer's jouneyman's card )
Your a singer, Gaffers tape is for musicians, so you can just kife it off them and not feel bad about it.
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I was there but don't recall any intel on where to buy the stuff. Still hoping that will happen.

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And my saying goes...
Duct tape is for DUCTS! For just about everything else, GAFF!
But...what if you needed to tape lighting and sound wires to a ventilation duct?

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But...what if you needed to tape lighting and sound wires to a ventilation duct?
Don't encourage him, Larry.

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... is that the same as 'duck' (duct?) tape - I call it gaffer tape, but my ride buddies call it duck/duct tape - well sticky, but leaves no residue, even after a couple of weeks, - great under tank bags etc.
Oh, and if you're left with any "sticky stuff" once you've removed the tape, use some good ol' benzine - it wipes right off without damaging the paint finish.

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Late tonight! I have the little sign printed (no biggie, just a Word doc); will get it laminated at Office Max then tape it to the top case tonight.

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Here's a photo. Before I leave on Sunday I'll rework the tape to make it look sharper. The text looks better in person; I had to resize the picture to upload it. I think the blue tape matches the roundel blue perfectly.
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Here's a photo. Before I leave on Sunday I'll rework the tape to make it look sharper.
I hope the sign sticks better than that pic did!
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Make the picture bigger .

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Here's a photo. Before I leave on Sunday I'll rework the tape to make it look sharper.
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the composition on the picture was superb
the lighting was spot on
and the subject matter was something we all know and love

but could you make it not so invisible so we can see it.........

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the composition on the picture was superb
the lighting was spot on
and the subject matter was something we all know and love

but could you make it not so invisible so we can see it.........
Check again. It's there now.

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Check again. It's there now.
Nice job Howard

should be able to read that at least up to 85 mph


have a great time at CCR .

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Nice job Howard

should be able to read that at least up to 85 mph

have a great time at CCR .
Thanks. That's the idea. I toyed with the idea of putting it directly in the middle of the bottom half of the top case; that would have covered the latch and would have made opening the top case en route very inconvenient (remove tape, open case, shut case, reapply tape, etc.). I'm very curious to find out (a) how many LTs I encounter along the way, and (b) if others with FRS/GMRS check in. I'll let you all know.

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Thanks. That's the idea. I toyed with the idea of putting it directly in the middle of the bottom half of the top case; that would have covered the latch and would have made opening the top case en route very inconvenient (remove tape, open case, shut case, reapply tape, etc.). I'm very curious to find out (a) how many LTs I encounter along the way, and (b) if others with FRS/GMRS check in. I'll let you all know.
I'll let you all know

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drop the ou and you got y'all
you will fit right in with the other georgians

be sure to say "hay" to everyone for me
i lived in Columbus GA for a year
and don't forget the "sweet tea"

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I was there but don't recall any intel on where to buy the stuff. Still hoping that will happen.
You missed the operative word kife.
Thats means you go in and appropreate it for your needs, like you work for FEMA
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Huh?! OH! You mean "SWAYIT TAY"!
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drop the "ou" and you got "y'all"
you will fit right in with the other georgians

be sure to say "hay" to everyone for me
i lived in Columbus GA for a year
and don't forget the "sweet tea"
I'm pacing myself. I don't want to make that transition all at once -- I might pull something.

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