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post #1 of 34 Old Jun 11th, 2015, 12:29 pm Thread Starter
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Figuring it's time for new springs at least. Bottomed out going over speed numb about knocked my teeth out. My question is will adjusting the rear spring make that much difference? Rear shock is currently set at the two red dots for 1 up riding. Also I read that when bike is on side stand if it doesn't lean over very far it's a sign your springs or shocks are worn out. I'm always afraid of coming out and seeing it on outs side because it almost sits straight up. I'll crank it up but thinking new springs.

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Have you added oil to the spring preload adjuster? You should do that first before cranking it up.
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I did. Thanks
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keeping in mind that this bike has a relatively low payload capacity, you may need to crank up the preload adjuster for the rear. Mine was fairly saggy - I am 240lbs all geared up - and I had to add oil to mine and it worked better cranked up to the 2-up position. With the wife on we basically max out the payload cap and the spring in the bike (53K) is barely adequate but workable. Any additional load and there would be significant rideability issues with it due to sag.

I do have a HyperPro spring sitting here next to me on the desk for when I actually get around to ripping the shock out of there and swapping it. HyperPro assures me their spring will resolve all my problems

I know all too well the harsh and unsettling feeling of hitting hard parts, both straight and in the curves.

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I should say the bike had 46K on it.
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Are you replacing the front spring too?
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Put on the HyperPro springs and don't look back.

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Put on the HyperPro springs and don't look back.

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Did you install them yourself? How long did it take? I've watched the video but that's a guy who does it a lot.

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Re: Bottomed out

Got new springs on my '99 when Ohlins shocks installed. New springs helped a lot with bottoming on speed bumps, and I no longer have to look for a downhill slope to the left to park on. Replaced at about 180,000 km.

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Just ordered new springs.
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nope, just the rear. Front seems to be in great shape and nice and stiff so if it aint broke.....

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Did you install them yourself? How long did it take? I've watched the video but that's a guy who does it a lot.

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Yes, it takes about half a day to do both if you fart around some. That is after i made the spring compressor.

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Do you know what a shop would charge to put springs on? That would be great I will let you know. I would be sure to return right after I complete the job. I would love to do it all myself.

Springs were shipped today I believe.
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Do you know what a shop would charge to put springs on? That would be great I will let you know. I would be sure to return right after I complete the job. I would love to do it all myself.

Springs were shipped today I believe.
Take a ride down to you local independent auto repair shop and ask them for help in either doing it or do they know someone who is able to do it.

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cost me 40 bucks here in Oz for both, much easier than doing it yourself

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Springs will be here Tuesday. Pretty jazzed. Went for a ride late last night and really for the first time the bike felt spongie in the rear. Now it just needs to cool down a bit for the work to get done.
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Wow, I just stopped at BMW dealership service dept. they told me that the springs cannot be replaced and it would be $600 to just remove the old ones. After I picked myself up off the floor I said goodbye. I checked into it as its 112 outside and hotter in my garage. I'm going to brave the heat.
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Wow, I just stopped at BMW dealership service dept. they told me that the springs cannot be replaced and it would be $600 to just remove the old ones. After I picked myself up off the floor I said goodbye. I checked into it as its 112 outside and hotter in my garage. I'm going to brave the heat.
Sounds like they don't want your business. Replacing springs is not a big deal. Tie the center-stand so that it cannot roll forward. Remove the rear shock. Jack up under the engine (use a small plywood pad) then remove the front shock. When you compress the rear shock remember to loosen the grub set screw on the preload adjuster first. Lots of threads and pictures on this site. Then try to find a suspension place to compress the springs and replace with new.

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Wow, I just stopped at BMW dealership service dept. they told me that the springs cannot be replaced and it would be $600 to just remove the old ones. After I picked myself up off the floor I said goodbye. I checked into it as its 112 outside and hotter in my garage. I'm going to brave the heat.
It's bad enough that they charge the kind of money they do, but to lie to people to up the charges is ridiculous. You should submit a complaint about that dealer. I'm sure the mother company knows the springs are replaceable and that owners know it as well.
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Videos show the front tire removed to replace thr front shock is that necessary? I'm asking before I look for myself.

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Yes as well as the fuel tank. With the wheel off and the brake lines detached from the fork sliders (3 mm button head and 10 mm nut) the whole assy can be lowered enough to get the shock down to where you can reach up and remove the rubber donut. Then the shock will lift up to clear the telelever.

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Crazy question, I have limited space in my garage and was wondering if after removing the rear shock is the bike moveable? I want to remove the back one and put the bike back where I store it over night until I find a shop to replace the spring.

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Crazy question, I have limited space in my garage and was wondering if after removing the rear shock is the bike moveable? I want to remove the back one and put the bike back where I store it over night until I find a shop to replace the spring.

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Not easily. Best to do it in one spot.

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You could put a piece of angle stock to support the swing arm bolted to the shock mounting points. Then you could move the bike.

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Didn't think it was a good idea. I'll wait until I got all the time I need. Thanks
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Anyone find a shop that can swap springs that might be nationwide? I've spent hrs on the phone to try to find one. No one even wants to try.

How much to have one made? How about renting one from O'Reillys.
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Crazy question, I have limited space in my garage and was wondering if after removing the rear shock is the bike moveable? I want to remove the back one and put the bike back where I store it over night until I find a shop to replace the spring.

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Some people have indicated that they kept their old springs/shocks when they were replaced with aftermarket so they could still ride or move their bike when the new units needed rebuilding. I kept mine just in case for that reason. If lucky, you may be able to find someone in your local area willing to loan you their's and at least then you could find someone locally that can swap out the springs on your units, once they are able to see what is involved....

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Going to price out parts to make my own tool. Found a template here.
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FWIW:My '05 LT (83K miles) had a poor ride & I was all ready to get a hyperpro spring for at least the rear shock if not both shocks.
However, after re-filling the hydraulic oil in the pre-loader, I find a very satisfactory ride on the old spring, even two-up.

Having said that, changing the spring(s) out for hyperpros would improve the ride more, no doubt. I will save that upgrade for a winter project some time.

But I gotta say, refilling the preloader is fast, cheap and a good 1st measure. Only took 5 min.

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Found a shop to put springs on. Now the install and reassembly. I hope I dont have to many screws left over when I think I'm done
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Found a shop to put springs on. Now the install and reassembly. I hope I dont have to many screws left over when I think I'm done
Every time I take mine apart, I end up with extra holes I don't have screws for. I've always wondered where they went, now I know.
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Those left over screws are a reminder that you're not done yet....

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Bike is back together and no spare parts. Wow, on a short test ride what a difference. I haven't had the bike that long but can tell the ride is stiffer and more solid. The real test came putting it on the center stand. A huge difference. Thanks for all the advice and help.
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Bike is back together and no spare parts. Wow, on a short test ride what a difference. I haven't had the bike that long but can tell the ride is stiffer and more solid. The real test came putting it on the center stand. A huge difference. Thanks for all the advice and help.
Glad it all worked out. The old girl is not too hard to work on just tedious.

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