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post #1 of 14 Old May 28th, 2015, 12:01 am Thread Starter
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Brake Bleed Test question

If I was adept at searching the forum I may not have to ask this question but alas I am not.
I just had a local shop change the brake fluid on my 2005 LT.
I had a quoted price for the job but the invoice included an additional amount to carry out a Brake Bleed Test.
Brake fluid was also charged as an extra.
I would have thought that changing the fluid would include all bleeding required. Can someone tell me just why it is necessary to perform this BRAKE BLEED TEST with BMW diagnostics?
I intend doing my own fluid change in future and I know from the forum that many owners do the same and I am sure that everyone does not have a diagnostic tool so is this really necessary?
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Re: Brake Bleed Test question

That's why we call them Bring More Wallet. You would think the quote would include everything.

Plenty of people do their own fluid flushes and bleeding. As long as the brakes are functioning properly the test isn't a have to. There are quite a few members here that do have the GS911 tool and do the test themselves. If there is a member that has one close to you they would probably be willing to help out if you want the test. You would be surprised at the number of times the brakes feel fine yet the bike fails the test.

It's really just for those of us that are a little anal and want that extra peace of miind.
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Can someone tell me just why it is necessary to perform this BRAKE BLEED TEST with BMW diagnostics?
I intend doing my own fluid change in future and I know from the forum that many owners do the same and I am sure that everyone does not have a diagnostic tool so is this really necessary?
Comes down to covering their own arse if something happens they can say it was tested ok here. Is it necessary probably not but they got more money out of you didn't they? that's what it is about the almighty dollar. but you probably should have made them stick to the quote, unless you authorised the extra work
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If I was adept at searching the forum I may not have to ask this question but alas I am not.
I just had a local shop change the brake fluid on my 2005 LT.
I had a quoted price for the job but the invoice included an additional amount to carry out a Brake Bleed Test.
Brake fluid was also charged as an extra.
I would have thought that changing the fluid would include all bleeding required. Can someone tell me just why it is necessary to perform this BRAKE BLEED TEST with BMW diagnostics?
I intend doing my own fluid change in future and I know from the forum that many owners do the same and I am sure that everyone does not have a diagnostic tool so is this really necessary?
A quote for a service should include all parts and labor. I don't know what the quote said though. You got it in writing, right?

The bleed test is confirmation that no air is in the system. It takes all of 5 min including connecting the tester. I hope they didn't charge you too much.

I would definitely be talking with the service manager if they didn't include brake fluid in a quote for a fluid change. And if they performed unauthorized service I would complain about that. And if they say the bleed test is required, then I would say "then it must have been included in the price quote so take it off my bill."
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A quote for a service should include all parts and labor. I don't know what the quote said though. You got it in writing, right?

The bleed test is confirmation that no air is in the system. It takes all of 5 min including connecting the tester. I hope they didn't charge you too much.

I would definitely be talking with the service manager if they didn't include brake fluid in a quote for a fluid change. And if they performed unauthorized service I would complain about that. And if they say the bleed test is required, then I would say "then it must have been included in the price quote so take it off my bill."
Thanks for your reply and also to AXLE & BUFF8STUFF. I will be talking more with this company and athough I have had good service in the past I do feel a little miffed about this deal. I even removed the Tupperware and delivered the bike in a van ready to work on so this was a better than average deal for them.
I do most of my own service work and after this I will do it all. I have diagnostic equipment for my Triumph and Range Rover and might look at getting what I need for the LT. Thanks again.
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. . that's what it is about the almighty dollar. . . .
Good to know the Australian dollar is almighty too!

I do my own brake bleeds / flushes and do not have access to a GS-911. They feel fine and no ABS faults. I would be curious to confirm with a bleed test, but won't ride the 100 miles to the closest BMW shop only to pay their charges.
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Good to know the Australian dollar is almighty too!

I do my own brake bleeds / flushes and do not have access to a GS-911. They feel fine and no ABS faults. I would be curious to confirm with a bleed test, but won't ride the 100 miles to the closest BMW shop only to pay their charges.
I check mine simply because I have the GS911 and can. It also tests the aging brakes lines. :-)

However, a fluid flush done right should not introduce air and the bleed test is icing on the cake at best. Now, if you open the system to replace a brake line... That is another thing entirely.
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I check mine simply because I have the GS911 and can. It also tests the aging brakes lines. :-)

However, a fluid flush done right should not introduce air and the bleed test is icing on the cake at best. Now, if you open the system to replace a brake line... That is another thing entirely.
Right - I had to do a thorough full bleed after changing to Speigler brake lines last winter. A normal flush I wouldn't worry about it.

And, thanks for making me feel inadequate not having a GS911 - I've been trying to talk myself into getting one but that is the subject for another thread.
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It is not a bad idea after a flush but I did at least 6 flushes before we had the ability to do the test with the GS-911. Never had an issue or a fault. Now I did do a Speigler line change for a guy on an 05 and it failed the bleed test on the front side. I re-bled it and got one tiny bubble out and it passed after that so it is very sensitive. My advise is you really don't need it for a flush done right but it is good insurance that it was done right.
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Re: Brake Bleed Test question

I replaced my lines a couple of months back, bleeding the heck out of them several times, but never performed the GS-911 test. I've put well over a couple thousand miles on the bike and they work fine, so I must have done them right...

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I just had a local shop change the brake fluid on my 2005 LT.

I intend doing my own fluid change in future and I know from the forum that many owners do the same and I am sure that everyone does not have a diagnostic tool so is this really necessary?
Hi Ray.
I bought the GS911 tool through Motohansa who are the licensed dealer in Oz, there's no "cheap" way to buy a real one unless you can find a 2nd hand one somewhere... beware Ebay clones... (see the warning about counterfeit models on the Hexcode site).
I've got 2 bikes to use it on and am doing all my own servicing now. You only need the enthusiast version as the LT's and other pre-06 (?) models don't record VIN numbers.
Pricey, but then I've found it handy for several diagnostic tests (including bleed test after a Spiegler line change on the LT) and soon recovered the cost from not going to the dealer for service.
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Hi Ray.
I bought the GS911 tool through Motohansa who are the licensed dealer in Oz, there's no "cheap" way to buy a real one unless you can find a 2nd hand one somewhere... beware Ebay clones... (see the warning about counterfeit models on the Hexcode site).
I've got 2 bikes to use it on and am doing all my own servicing now. You only need the enthusiast version as the LT's and other pre-06 (?) models don't record VIN numbers.
Pricey, but then I've found it handy for several diagnostic tests (including bleed test after a Spiegler line change on the LT) and soon recovered the cost from not going to the dealer for service.
Thanks CWS: I have been in touch with Motohansa and when fun money allows it I will take this further. I understand that they come licensed for 11 bikes. Do you share yours or just use it for your own bike(s)?
Finding the right people to share the cost would be great but that is not always easy.
Having modern bikes and cars of different makes almost requires a selection of diagnostic equipment suit each one.
It does seem that if ever I sold the bike that the GS911 would be readily sold on.
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Hi Ray.
As far as "sharing" I don't lend it round.... actually no-one has asked so I haven't had to say no
But when a few of the guys came over to my place for a tech session it was there for them to use on their bikes, which a couple did.
The "license" is only valid for bikes that actually get their VIN stored in the memory of the software.
The LT's & pre 06 GT/RS's don't pass their VIN's to the software, so you could use it on a hundred bikes of those models and it doesn't know the difference.
It was designed for the twins (GS/RT's etc) initially and does store their VINs AFAIK.... haven't used it on one of them.
Have a good read about the software on the hexcode site.... it shows how many different BMW bikes it can be used on.

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Actually the VIN slots are only used if you use the 911 to reset the service minders. You can diagnose all day long on as many bikes as you choose.
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