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post #1 of 17 Old Jan 28th, 2015, 12:28 am Thread Starter
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24k Service requiring New ABS

Let me preface my question by saying I am a rider; not a mechanic. I can change oil but that is about the extent of my mechanical talent.

I ride a 2005 K1200LT. 90% pf the service has been performed by the dealer with all routine maintenance completed on time. The bike has been kept in a heated garage since new.

Today I get the call from the dealer that goes something like this:

"Everything looks fine except you are at the beginning stages of a ABS Failure. Cost with labor is about 3k."

I asked if there was a way to bypass the ABS and he said "Yes, but we won't do it it." My ABS light isn't on nor have I had any indication from braking that it is going bad. The dealer said they did not recommend changing my brake fluid because that could cause the ABS system to fail.
Does anyone know who I can take my bike to in Indiana to have the ABS bypassed when/if it does fail. I just felt like I was trying to be scqred into spending 3k on a 10 year old bike that I did not need to spend.

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post #2 of 17 Old Jan 28th, 2015, 5:32 am
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Re: 24k Service requiring New ABS

Get a second opinion. Diagnosis of early stages of failure, based on what evidence?

Please keep the forum posted on results, this is interesting.
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Re: 24k Service requiring New ABS

I had my dealer tell me 2 years ago that I had to sign a waiver to have the complete ABS brake system flush and service done because the units sometimes fail after the service. I said you have to be joking right the whole purpose of having the service is to avoid trouble with the unit. WTF! I then talked to the owner of the shop who I had bought an extended warranty from and he agreed to do the flush without me signing a waiver, of course he saw his and my ass were covered. I then had it done this year and they did not even bring it up so who knows what the truth is about if they are trying to screw you or not. Hopefully one of the wrenching guru's will chime in.
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Re: 24k Service requiring New ABS

Find another dealer. They can perform a bleed test and it is pass/fail period. There is no "marginal" test. Also to say don't change the fluid is also bad advice. Changing fluid will not cause a failure.

The only thing he could have seen was a collection of past faults that have self cleared but are still stored in memory. He may be biasing his recommendation on that but with out the details I cannot comment on the validity. Usually these just fail with no warning so I don't know what he is referring to with "the early stages of failure" report.
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Re: 24k Service requiring New ABS

There is no way that anyone can tell you your ABS Pump will fail if he make a fluid change.
Hi should show you how he found out measure that or wish indicator he has.
Either this unit work or not.
Do the fluid change and go. You will find out.

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"Everything looks fine except you are at the beginning stages of a ABS Failure. Cost with labor is about 3k."
A bit like going to a doctor and being told, "I'm sorry but you are in the beginning stages of death..... here's an expensive prescription to make you feel better in the meantime"
Well, as soon as you are born you're in the beginning stages of death....

Screw em... find someone with a GS911 and check the readouts for yourself (or post them here for opinion), or find another stealer. I'd be more worried about the brake lines being 10 years old, rather than the iABS unit going out. Spieglers are cheaper than an iABS unit.
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I love your analogy! I just wasn't convinced I needed to spend 3k. Now I need to figure out what to do if/when the ABS finally fails. I love my 1200lt....this is my second one as I had a 1999 before I had the 2005. I only ride about 4k miles a year and just have a hard time spending the 3k after I paid 2k for a clutch failure about three years ago.

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Just wondering, and if you don't say I won't be offended, what dealer told you this?

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I just wasn't convinced I needed to spend 3k
Exactly why I bought my own GS911 and, with all the support you get on this site (and friends with LT's) have learnt to do my own servicing...
maybe it's time to bite the bullet, you'll be glad you did.....

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I know it won't lessen the worry about a possible big repair bill, but paying an additional $3K for the ABS is still a better proposition than selling the LT and buying another bike. You probably already realize this since you didn't allude to selling the LT. You obviously like the model since this is your second LT.
I had an ABS go out and it was over $3K. Fortunately, the ABS repair was fully covered through an extended warranty with Zurich. Zurich won't cover a clutch repair and I'm sure I'll encounter that expense in the not too distance future since the LT has about 78K.
Keep us posted about the second dealer's assessment. And good luck.

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I love your analogy! I just wasn't convinced I needed to spend 3k. Now I need to figure out what to do if/when the ABS finally fails. I love my 1200lt....this is my second one as I had a 1999 before I had the 2005. I only ride about 4k miles a year and just have a hard time spending the 3k after I paid 2k for a clutch failure about three years ago.
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Just have it flushed. Flushing is the only thing Preventative maintenance you can do for the ABS to keep it from failing. I wouldn't hesitate too long.
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Just wondering, and if you don't say I won't be offended, what dealer told you this?

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Unfortunately the rebuild for a 2005 LT is still under development but will hopefully be available soon. Does anyone know of another company that rebuilds ABS cylinders for the BMW K1200LT?
On all k-bike forums I read through, it appears the iABS rebuild is still unresolved (I think)... Sailor (Jean/John) will probably know best as he seems to have some of the best all-round knowledge on these units... or JZ also....

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Just have it flushed. Flushing is the only thing Preventative maintenance you can do for the ABS to keep it from failing. I wouldn't hesitate too long.
Certainly flushing is important, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I think exercising the ABS periodically in a controlled hard straight line braking strokes the pistons fully and helps prevent them from sticking.

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On all k-bike forums I read through, it appears the iABS rebuild is still unresolved (I think)... Sailor (Jean/John) will probably know best as he seems to have some of the best all-round knowledge on these units... or JZ also....
Someone on the K1200RS forum called Module-Master recently (last 4 to 8 weeks) and the last update is yet a bit more delay to be able to overhaul the IABS modulator (with servos).

A bit in a hurry this morning and I cannot find the exact post, but they where still in testing phase with their new parts/components - results were positive. Yet another few months to wait. Although it seems they said the same thing 2 years ago, we have to keep in mind this is the only option for North-American riders. In addition, those who had their ABS2 modulator repaired at Module-master are very satisfied - these guys have been in business of ABS modulator for cars for many years and they know their trade.

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Certainly flushing is important, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I think exercising the ABS periodically in a controlled hard straight line braking strokes the pistons fully and helps prevent them from sticking.
The only unit that benefit from this is the older ABS II which has pistons to cycle mechanically. These units use an electromagnet to to modulate the pressure though a ball valve. The only thing you will sense when it is working is the squealing of the tires as they approach the edge of grip. At least that is my experience in very hard, highly loaded stops.

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Call Falcone @ 317-803-2434, ask to speak with "Nick" in service department, I did and here is what he had to say:

Nick at Falcone MrtSprt. said he is 3 to 4 days out on appointments right now, labor rate currently $84.50 until March 1, goes to $97.

Explained full iABS procedure was 6 circuits on unit and control circuits for front and rear. About $10 for fluid, get it all done for around $500 now. Took him a few moments to get the labor hours figured up but he didnít hesitate, said it was 5.5 hour job.

Just thought inquiring minds would want to know.

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