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post #1 of 18 Old Jul 24th, 2006, 8:38 pm Thread Starter
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Slipping Clutch

The good news is I am going on a 5 day, 1400 mile ride starting Sat. (7-29-06).

The bad news is my clutch started slipping today on my way to work. Mostly in fourth or fifth gear under heavy acceleration. Fluid level is OK. Reading the Jamiekiel post, I get the impression I could probably still go on the trip, just baby the clutch, and probably make out OK.

But... I would like your thoughts on whether these clutches go fast once they start slipping, and whether I could do any serious damage.

Thanks for the help.

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post #2 of 18 Old Jul 24th, 2006, 8:41 pm
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My friend just lost his slave cylinder on the way to the MOA national and had the same symptoms. I would not take the chance of being stranded if I were you.

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The good news is I am going on a 5 day, 1400 mile ride starting Sat. (7-29-06).

The bad news is my clutch started slipping today on my way to work. Mostly in fourth or fifth gear under heavy acceleration. Fluid level is OK. Reading the Jamiekiel post, I get the impression I could probably still go on the trip, just baby the clutch, and probably make out OK.

But... I would like your thoughts on whether these clutches go fast once they start slipping, and whether I could do any serious damage.

Thanks for the help.

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If it is slipping from leaking slave cylinder (most likely cause) or oil seal leaking, it will go downhill FAST! I would definitely not take off on a trip with this time bomb waiting to go off. You could easily get stranded with a basically non rideable bike.

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I would get it fixed before the trip. Mine showed no symptoms until I was 4 hours into a 4 and half hour trip to MOA on Friday. When I got to the Hotel I check fluid level and it was lower than when i started out on Friday. Lucky for me the dealership I bought the bike from was at the Rally and they packed in their truck and took it back to NH to repair the problem. They then will ship it back to me when they have completed the repair. They are also going to address the noisy break problem as well. I will be calling roadside assitance to submit my rental bill today. Dealership reported that it was a 12 hour repair job.

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post #5 of 18 Old Jul 25th, 2006, 9:43 pm Thread Starter
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Thanks for the advice. I bought the bike at the Cincinnati dealer which is now closed. I called the nearest dealer, which is in Columbus, explained my situation and they were able to schedule an appointment for August 16. Had to cancel my trip and take a certain amount of feces from my Goldwing riding friend.
It has been a rough summer. Earlier I lost three weeks riding time waiting to get a fuel leak fixed (just two weeks at the dealer) and now having to cancel my annual trip.
This lack of dealers and mechanical problems is making me wonder why someone would buy an LT vs. a GW. But then again, I have ridden the GW.
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Uh.. or fix it yourself?

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The good news is I am going on a 5 day, 1400 mile ride starting Sat. (7-29-06).

The bad news is my clutch started slipping today on my way to work. Mostly in fourth or fifth gear under heavy acceleration. Fluid level is OK. Reading the Jamiekiel post, I get the impression I could probably still go on the trip, just baby the clutch, and probably make out OK.

But... I would like your thoughts on whether these clutches go fast once they start slipping, and whether I could do any serious damage.

Thanks for the help.

Steve
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Have the exact same problem. It started with 5th gear and now occurs in 3rd and 4th. The dealer thinks its a blown seal in a piston that is somehow conencted to the clutch (he left a phone message which I didn't quite understand but will get more infor in the morning). Personally, I wouldn't take it on a long ride but that's just me. BTW, I have 1,400 miles on the odometer and have had the bike for 3 weeks... I'm not happy.
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Have the exact same problem. It started with 5th gear and now occurs in 3rd and 4th. The dealer thinks its a blown seal in a piston that is somehow conencted to the clutch ------------------
That is the famous slave cylinder failure, way to common to still be happening in '06 with no attention by BMW! HUNDREDS of them have failed, taking out clutch assemblies just about every time.

Many of us now drill drain holes in the tranny when we are doing these to prevent future clutch contamination when the slave fails again.

I love the LT, but find it almost ludicrous that BMW has left this WELL KNOWN failure point unaddressed. I had TWO clutches replaced under warranty, as have MANY others. I also replaced one myself.

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Many of us now drill drain holes in the tranny when we are doing these to prevent future clutch contamination when the slave fails again.

Hmm, after a friend of me now has a slipping clutch - I when out to my LT - took an extra look in the servicemanual, found the drill - drilled - and was suprised of how much oil it was in there ;-)

Drilled throe the inner cylinder - and now need a new one !
Took me an hour to take it out, and probably two to get the new on in.

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Same symptoms here, after replacing the slave cylinder and drilling the hole 20K miles ago (yes, we removed the old slave cylinder first). I figure it must be an engine or tranny seal that's going. I'm still riding, but am hesitant to go anywhere too far from home. I did manage a 250 mile loop today.

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Same symptoms here, after replacing the slave cylinder and drilling the hole 20K miles ago (yes, we removed the old slave cylinder first). I figure it must be an engine or tranny seal that's going. I'm still riding, but am hesitant to go anywhere too far from home. I did manage a 250 mile loop today.
Ken that's a bummer, The problem must be the input transmission seal. I don't think the rear main seal or oring failure would allow motor oil to migrate that far. You would also see motor oil outside the clutch bell housing if if were motor oil. Top off the trans fluid and go ride. But first take the filler plug out of the trans and lean to the right to see how low the fluid level is.
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Yeah, cfell, if I was a real man I would fix it myself. But it's under warranty and I'm not much of a mechanic. I didn't buy a BMW so I could learn how to fix it. I just wanted to ride.
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Thanks for the advice, Pete. I figure once they tear it open, I'll just have it all replaced. I'd like to do the job myself, but just don't have the time right now.

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Well... The dealer began working on my slipping clutch today. They called this PM and said there were several bad spots on the clutch. No leaking seals etc. The problem is related to wear and is not covered under warranty. Cost of repairs will be $1500. Once again this is a 2004 LT with 15,000 miles. I'm mad as hell right now, but don't know if this a common problem and I should just calm down and pay the bill, or if this is BS and a clutch should last longer than this. I am going to call customer satisfaction rep (?) tomorrow.
I would appreciate any input as to how some of you would handle this.


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That is total BS, 15k on a clutch is nothing, unless you are abusing it (willingly or unwitingly). The clutch may be a wear part, but brake pads last longer than that. A dry clutch should go 50k or longer.

My bike has had 3 slave cylinders and two clutches. The clutches were fouled by the faulty slave cylinder. BMW replaced everything under warranty. The previous owner went through 2 of the slave cylinders and one clutch, I got to go through the last. The bike has 44k and all of that work happened within the last 14k. My turn was at about 40k or less.

I would put my foot down on this one. The LT has a history of eating clutches when the slave leaks. That is why people here have started drilling them. I will be drilling mine this winter, because BMW probably won't replace the next one. It has been almost a year since that incident. I hope it makes it through this year's vacation, unlike last year.

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To lose a clutch in 15K miles is unusual, unless it's been abused (lots of hard starts, lots of slipping at high throttle and low speeds, etc.). The single-plate dry clutch is a definite weak point on the LT. Maybe not a weak point, as they can go 100K miles with proper care, but it's definitely not over-engineered (and thus bullet-proof) the way the rest of the bike is (rear drives excepted).

I had the same situation with my '02 at just over 35K miles. I got it in to the dealer just before the warranty ran out. After it was opened up, the mechanic said he saw no evidence of any of the seals leaking, but the clutch showed definite hot spots. I know I'm tough on clutches, but I was also convinced it was a leaking seal and thus a warranty repair. I looked at the parts myself and didn't see any evidence of a leak either, so they put it back together and I paid just over $1,400 to get it back. I wasn't happy about it, but really had no other choice.

Almost 50K miles later, I'm having more clutch slipping issues. I did drill the slave drain hole, but it could be an engine seal or tranny seal, or just 50K miles of hard riding. I'm tempted to pull it apart myself, but at the moment I have more consulting work than free time, so it'll be a dealer repair.

All you can really do is inspect the parts yourself and look for evidence of a leaky seal. But you may not see anything either. If you trust your dealer, then pay it and get back on the road. If you don't, then it's a bit late to do anything about it. I know that sucks, but it is what it is.

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Recently I purchased a 05 LT with 22000 miles from Max BMW in NJ. It was still winter here in Angola IN. so I didn't get to test the bike until the first part of April. I discovered that the clutch was slipping so badly that I could not even hold 65 mph in 5th gear.
After many nasty conversations with MAX, they sent me all the parts to have the clutch replaced. I took the bike to Woodson BMW in Fort Wayne, IN. to have the work completed. Yesterday I took the bike out for its first road trip, and discovered the new clutch slips in 4th and 5th when you apply heavy throttle, not even 150 miles on the new clutch. I am not happy, and I need advice on how to proceed.
I have owned several bikes, including 4 K1200RS,s over the years, and have never had Clutch issues.
Any help or advice would be appreciated, Thanks Steve
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I would say a trip back to Woodson is in order. They did the work and its not working. That would be my first stop. The clutch in the LT should not slip.

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