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Fumoto Qwik Valve use on an LT

Has anyone tried a Fumoto Qwik Valve on their bike? Know it is a potential breaking point if the bike bottomed out on the oil pan, but I typically scrape the center stand if anything.

Just trying to make oil changes a bit less messy.

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Re: Fumoto Qwik Valve use on an LT

Not on the bikes but on all the cars, or one like it. Just don't have to go find the right socket or wrench. I still seem to get some oil on my fingers. Never had one broken off. Not a bad idea for the bike. I didn't look very close, they have a straight one? (Being more lazy) Have you determined what size to get?

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Re: Fumoto Qwik Valve use on an LT

I never remove the crankcase plug, I drain the oil by undoing the oil filter cover, as many here do. Probably a good item in the right application though, but note that a safety plug is still fitted after the valve (as you would based on the consequences of the valve leaking or inadvertently being opened).

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I use one on my truck and it works flawlessly. They do make a lockout clip for folks that are worried about it opening inadvertently but I find that highly unlikely and don't use that clip. It takes a pretty deliberate motion to get it open and it is a stainless ball valve internally.

Currently I open the oil filter cover to drain the sump rather than pull the plug. Even going slowly it is a mess so I am just thinking about this as an option. Would need to figure out the thread so I could find the right one.

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I didn't look very close, they have a straight one?
Yes - I think the are all straight. At least the ones that I used on my truck and others I have looked at. One on my truck also has a short nipple on it so I can connect up a piece of tubing to drain it right into a gallon jug for disposal.

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Re: Fumoto Qwik Valve use on an LT

Follow the "order by size" tab. They sell elbow fittings by size. Not the same thing, but lawnmower engines have been using a different type of quick drain valve for years. Certainly makes things much easier.


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Cool - I didn't go to that page. When I ordered my other one I just went to the vehicle picker.

Not sure how the right angle adapter would be a benefit on the LT. I would just want to drain it straight down and the plug is already on the bottom.

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I never take out the drain plug and whether you drain the oil first or not your hand will still get an residual oil bath when you crack the filter cover plate. It is just another dumb BMW engineering screw up to have a wet oil filter.
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...your hand will still get an residual oil bath when you crack the filter cover plate.
I was wondering how much oil is really left in the sump at that point since I don't pull the plug either. Agreed it would be nice to not have the filter inside the sump but they do fix a lot on these bikes and I am sure they had to make compromises. Nice to see they changed that on the K1600GTL.

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I was wondering how much oil is really left in the sump at that point since I don't pull the plug either. Agreed it would be nice to not have the filter inside the sump but they do fix a lot on these bikes and I am sure they had to make compromises. Nice to see they changed that on the K1600GTL.
I tested that once, drained through the filter cover, then removed the drain plug. Only 1-2 tablespoons of oil came out. Not worth using the drain plug when you are changing the filter. I only changed my filter every other oil change, which is still more than needed. Filters last far longer than an oil change interval.

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Filters last far longer than an oil change interval.
Interesting - I have heard the opposite, that the filters will clog or break down before the oil actually loses its lubricating qualities or additives. I was going to start having my oil analyzed at Blackstone Labs. Maybe not every time, but want to get a baseline and check it every now and then. Amazing what they can tell with the analysis.

Either way - I replace a filter every oil change which I do at about 5k.

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Interesting - I have heard the opposite, that the filters will clog or break down before the oil actually loses its lubricating qualities or additives. I was going to start having my oil analyzed at Blackstone Labs. Maybe not every time, but want to get a baseline and check it every now and then. Amazing what they can tell with the analysis.

Either way - I replace a filter every oil change which I do at about 5k.
On any decent condition internal combustion engine filters need not be changed until the differential pressure across them reaches a certain point. On diesels, large industrial engines, etc., there are usually differential pressure gauges to tell when filters need changing (high cost and multiple filters). That is not feasible on automobiles, and especially motorcycles, so they just leave it up to the owner/service shop. Real easy to just say change it with the oil and avoid someone letting it go WAY too long. A filter with some time on it actually filters better than a new one.

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A filter with some time on it actually filters better than a new one.
Assuming the filter material doesn't start to break down.

I agree - big cartridge assemblies in the big rigs are pricey and have pressure monitors but for the $10 for a filter in the bike, it just seems reasonable to not chance it and change it since there is no monitoring.

In my car and old truck I used to put 20K on the Amsoil oil and filter but that was also a synthetic media filter rather than paper media. I run synthetic media filters in my bike as well so I am sure I could push it as you say, but I don't like leaving that old oil sitting in the filter.

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The one issue I would anticipate with the external drain valve would be the length of the threads. Since the drain plug is vertical on the LT, if the threads are very long on the new plug, it will likely retain quite a bit of oil. So you'll still get a pretty good oil bath, but at least it won't be three quarts.


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The one issue I would anticipate with the external drain valve would be the length of the threads.
The fitting is brass so I would think it would be easy to cut them down if they were really long. As I remember from the one for my truck, they weren't too long.

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Wouldn't see the point of this with the internal filter, same on my gs with an internal cartridge. But it would be nice on other hard to access vehicles.

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I was going to start having my oil analyzed at Blackstone Labs. Maybe not every time, but want to get a baseline and check it every now and then. Amazing what they can tell with the analysis.
I went a few cycles with Blackstone including TBN. Wanted to see if I took a 10K mile trip would I need to change oil. Most of the overall analysis, metals, minerals, coolant, fuel, water, etc is an analysis of the condition of the engine using oil as the test medium, all of those things are added to the oil by the engine. But the TBN is an analysis of the oil itself, measures the remaining additives to determine when the oil will no longer be adequate. Based on the miles on the oil sent in they will make a recommendation on how far to go before the next sample, usually in no more than 1000 mile increments unless you were really short on miles with the first sample. On mine with Rotella T Triple 15W-40 the last time I sent it in (a few years ago) I was up to a recommended 9500 miles for the next change. That was good enough for me and I stopped sending it in. The TBN was still around 4 with 1 being the minimum so I was happy doing a 10K interval change.


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I was happy doing a 10K interval change.
That is great info. I am running Rotella T6 in all my vehicles including the LT. I was looking to push the interval out as well. Didn't think about 10K on a motorcycle though due to the higher RPM. I run 10K interval on my Duramax all the time but that is sitting at 1500 - 2000 RPM.

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As a disclaimer: I wouldn't use my figures, of course different bike and also different oil. I would "think" with T6 synthetic you will get as good as my results with conventional T Triple but I would have it tested with TBN to be sure. Frankly I don't even remember what the manual recommends since for years I've been using the Blackstone recommendation but I'd walk yours up just as I did.


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As a disclaimer: I wouldn't use my figures, of course different bike and also different oil.
No worries. I want to baseline my engine and have a TBN done around 5K just to see how things are looking. If all is great - I will probably walk it up as you stated.

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Huh! Just went to the blackstone site and found below. Just never occurred to me to send in early samples to shorten the mileage cycles, always did it at a change. This would get you to a final TBN and mileage without waiting for like 25K miles. I wouldn't do the virgin oil test though.

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The virgin oil has a TBN reading of 7.0. Her used oil has a TBN of reading of 5.0, and her wear levels are fine. Jill decides to leave this fill of oil in place, and she resamples in another 3,000 miles. This time, the TBN reads 4.5, and her wear levels are still low. Jill decides to leave her oil in place a bit longer, and she resamples in another 1,500 miles. This time, the TBN reads 2.5, and although wear accumulations are still normal, we recommend she change out the oil.

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I've heard of truckers and other heavy equipment operators doing stuff like this since they have to dump in gallons and gallons of oil. Can really save money by extending their intervals. That is another reason I could see the QwikValve coming in handy. Would make it easy to pull a sample to send in. Blackstone does sell a vacuum pump to pull it from the fill hole. Think the pump is about $30.

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