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post #1 of 21 Old Nov 2nd, 2014, 10:10 pm Thread Starter
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Got in a major wrestling match mounting a scooter tire last summer and ended up putting a slight tear in the bead. Wasn't a happy guy.

Anyhow, I have a new Metzler 880 front tire half on the rim. (the easy part) It's kicking my rear getting the other half on. Don't want a repeat performance of last summer. The weather is cool so leaving the new tire out in the driveway to warm up all day is not an option.

Anybody ever heat up a tire with a heat gun or improvise a home made tire warming oven?

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post #2 of 21 Old Nov 3rd, 2014, 7:34 am
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Re: tire mounting

Have you used a liberal application of tire mounting lubricant? It's not too late to take it to a BMW motorcycle dealer for mounting & balancing. I haven't had to change any motorcycle tires during the last year or two, but if I remember correctly the tires on the K1200LT are probably the most difficult to mount because the sidewalks are so stiff.
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Mosts bike shops charge $20 to $30 to install (includes balance and new valve stem). better than ruining a tire.
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Re: tire mounting

lots of soapy water and get the opposite bead (180 degrees) into the valley of the rim.
It is not difficult if everything is in the right position.

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Anybody ever heat up a tire with a heat gun or improvise a home made tire warming oven?
I wouldn't try a heat gun; too concentrated.
Heat lamps or an electric warming blanket is what I might try depending on how cold the tire and air is.
If you use heat lamps, be careful as the metal wheel might get a bit hot to the touch.

Soapy water is the common mounting lubricant, but if you need to step up, RuGlyde from NAPA auto is quite a bit slicker.

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Re: tire mounting

Yeah, what they said.

I have a Harbor Freight tire changer mounted to the floor of my shop which I use to hold the wheel, but I still use my old method of tire irons. The best thing about the HF tire changer is the bead breaker.

I wouldn't apply heat to the tire. Warm it in the sun or bring it inside on a cold day is enough. Making sure the opposite bead is seated in the well of the rim and using plenty of lube are the two key points in my opinion. I use a rubber mallet to make sure the opposite bead is in the well of the rim. Put pressure on a tire iron, then wack the opposite side of the tire to make sure the maximum amount of bead is in the well. And LOTS of lube. I use straight liquid dish detergent, undiluted. And make sure the lube is on all the surfaces that need to slide over the rim, not just the outer bead; that means the inside of the tire, in inner edge of the bead, and the outer edge of the bead all need lubrication. I find if I do those things the tire pops right on without undue stress on the tire and without rim damage.
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Re: tire mounting

+1 on CharlieVT. No way you can stretch the tire to fit, you have to push that bead down into the rim's valley. Use your hip.
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I insert several small blocks of wood in between the rim and the bead to hold it down in the drop well. That is the only way to get the other side over the rim.
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Re: tire mounting

Hockey pucks work pretty well too for holding the beads in the well. One of these days I'm going to try a couple of three foot zip ties to hold it in the well while I spoon it.


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... No way you can stretch the tire to fit, you have to push that bead down into the rim's valley. Use your hip.
Reading about the wood blocks and hockey pucks, made me think about this comment above about: "use your hip".

Yeah, I guess I do something like that, maybe some "body english". I'm sure I did that before I started holding the rim down with the HF tire changer.

The trick to doing it without blocks or pucs holding the tire down in the wheel wheel is to keep constant tension with tire irons. (Nothing wrong with the wood blocks of hockey pucs method, what ever works, but I seem to have developed a method where that isn't needed.

Kind of like this sequence: pull the bead with two tire irons, let go of one tire iron and wack the opposite side of the tire with a mallet while continuing to pull with the one tire iron. Then use two tire irons to pull again, then again let go of one tire iron and whack the opposite side of the tire to coax more of the tire into the rim well.

In this sequence it goes like this: repeatedly, a little more of the bead gets pulled over the rim, and a little more of the opposite bead gets pulled into the well. With plenty of lube, it goes pretty quickly.

With all these suggestions, joeyboltz should have his tires mounted by now, no?

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I have always used three tire irons.

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I use four!

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I use four!
Yep, I use wood blocks, knee on tire pushing bead into drop center, lots of lube, 4 irons and often wife's two hands in addition to mine!

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Re: tire mounting

When using tire irons have any of you ever scratched a rim ?.

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When using tire irons have any of you ever scratched a rim ?.
Well, yeah...

Until I learned how to do it as I have described above, I was kind of hard on the rims and I have scratches and dings to show for it.
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When using tire irons have any of you ever scratched a rim ?.
Sure, early on. I now use plastic sheets cut from oil jugs. Much thinner than the Motion Pro style protectors and much cheaper and more durable. I broke the Motion Pros on the first use.

I recently bought three No-mar levers with the polymer tips and look forward to trying them next tire.

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Wood blocks, mojoblocks and a mojolever, add tire lube, and honestly it's actually quite easy. Tire levers, if not done carefully, (even with rim protectors etc), can scratch the hell out of rims.

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I have the no mar levers. You will love them.
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Two wooden hand screws, http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001DT...770858-8755323, protectors for the tire irons made from a milk jug, plenty of dish soap.

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Well, the tire went on slicker than snot. That is, once I found out you have shove the opposite side into the center of the rim from all the the fine folk around here. 3 tire irons, some tire lube, and a girlfriend. I'm ready for a Yuke

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Also, now that I am a certified tire mounting expert. Anyone that wants to mount or dismount a tire, come on by. Beemers and Japanese bikes are free but Harley's are 1.0 Ya don't even have to bring much beer as 1 is my limit. Have a Coates 220 tire machine I stumbled onto for a song, tire irons, a Harbor Freight spindle balancer, and enough sticky weights to last until my grandkids are great great parents.

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