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K1200LT Replacement Tires

More new Metzler tires. I seem to go thru them pretty quickly. Is there another tire out there that will work on a big heavy bike but last longer? My dealer said Metzler just came out with a new tire, but it is not available for mine yet. New tires every few months ain't cheap!

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How many miles do you put on your tires before they are shot. Metz are suppose to get you the most mileage.
Also every few months, man you do a lot of riding.
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I ride to work almost every day. That's 35-40 miles each way, then church on Sunday, that's another 40 miles each way. It does tend to add up, but it still seems like they should last a bit longer.

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I ride to work almost every day. That's 35-40 miles each way, then church on Sunday, that's another 40 miles each way. It does tend to add up, but it still seems like they should last a bit longer.
What is the total miles you get on tires not each trip?

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no there is not, how many miles are you getting before you replace tyres? how is the bike loaded what are your tyre pressures? should be good for 8k or more. my last one did 13.5k km, towing a camper for half of that.

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There are several of us that run a Metzler on the from and a Bridgestone on the rear. For me the rear Stone lasts longer than the Metz and the front Metz lasts longer than the front Stone. Keep your pressures at 42 for the front and 48 in the rear. You live in a state that has warmer temps than we have in Michigan so keeping the proper pressure in tires would be very important. Heat is one of the great enemies of tires among other things. I consistently get over 25k on my tires.
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+1 on the Metz front and Bridgestone rear.

42psi front, 48psi rear.

My last set yielded 16k, front and 12.5k rear.
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Dunno know the total miles right now. The bike is in the shop right now trying to get that fuel issue fixed, so I cannot check the receipt against the odometer. My issue was that the back tire went bad and had to be replaced. Metzler is only giving me 50% credit because it is really worn. Tires on all of my previous bikes lasted like forever. They were, however, much much lighter.

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One other data point. Over the last 10 years I averaged 7,000 miles on a rear ME 880 with the first one lasting 9,100 (11-ME 880s). I went with a BT-020 on the rear this time and it still had some tread left at 9,912. I did just change it as I have a trip coming up and wanted fresh rubber but I could have gotten another 1,000 local miles on it. So based on that I am getting better mileage off the Bridgestone rear. We will see how the second one does.

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Boy John what do you do with that LT do burn outs I would expect you getting more miles than that I will get between 15,000 and 20,000 on mine

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There are several of us that run a Metzler on the from and a Bridgestone on the rear. For me the rear Stone lasts longer than the Metz and the front Metz lasts longer than the front Stone. Keep your pressures at 42 for the front and 48 in the rear. You live in a state that has warmer temps than we have in Michigan so keeping the proper pressure in tires would be very important. Heat is one of the great enemies of tires among other things. I consistently get over 25k on my tires.
Is there any reason that you recommend 42 psi front and 48 psi rear, My book calls for 36.3 front and 42 rear? Wouldn't that give you a hard ride? also, please let me know which exact tires you are referring to metz front, bridge rear. think I would like to try this combination
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If you run your tires like these guys you will get just a few miles out of
the rear - please note this is a brief moment of brevity

http://speedsociety.com/drifting-240...busa/?var=1320

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Advertisement: At the CCR Reunion in Chattanooga this year TJ
Tennant who is a Tire Engineer for Bridgestone will be there providing two
tire presentations. In his previous tire seminar he stated mileage all
depends on: road surfaces, bike weights, road temperatures, tire pressures
and RIDING STYLES.

As for tire pressures the collective wisdon of this site for over 10 years has
called for the 42 psi front and 48 psi rear. What you will find out over time is
that this site as has far greater knowldedge and experiences regarding the
the K1200LT than exisits at most dealers or anywhere elxe on the
internet. . . really!!

Back to your normal channel and anothe tire thread !!!

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+1 on the Metz front and Bridgestone rear.

42psi front, 48psi rear.

My last set yielded 16k, front and 12.5k rear.
+1. I switched to the rear Bridgs and it lasts longer and does not get near as loud as the Metzs does when it starts to cup. My last 2 have been Bridgs. And its cheaper
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As for tire pressures the collective wisdom of this site for over 10 years has
called for the 42 psi front and 48 psi rear.
Great that TJ will be back. I remember his advice on tire pressure was 2 psi under the max sidewall pressure if riding solo; at the max pressure if two-up. Or 40-42 F, 48-50 R.

I ran those pressures and averaged over 13K miles on the rear, and over 20K front.

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One other data point. Over the last 10 years I averaged 7,000 miles on a rear ME 880 with the first one lasting 9,100 (11-ME 880s). I went with a BT-020 on the rear this time and it still had some tread left at 9,912. I did just change it as I have a trip coming up and wanted fresh rubber but I could have gotten another 1,000 local miles on it. So based on that I am getting better mileage off the Bridgestone rear. We will see how the second one does.
John, we've never met. I feel much better now,hearing from the wise one what I already knew. Thank you. I've tried everything- still never not much more than 6000 on Metz rear. My new first time Bridgestone has 4000 is is looking good. Maybe more miles this time.
What a great site.
25000??! Really? How? I'm struggling to believe this. No, I don't believe it.
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I just had to replace my front tyre. It was a BT20, as is the rear. My dealer, whom I trust, said the all new Bridgestone T30 GT was what I needed, and that it was the "modern" replacement for the BT20. As far as I have been able to research, the specs seem to me to be the same, and after the first 700 km I am very pleased with the performance and handling of this tyre. Longevity is to be seen...Ive put some 6000 km on the bike since i got it on March 20th this year...and I keep tyre pressure at 2,9 bar, front and rear...Love to ride this big girl...will be taking her to the Harz mountains in Germany in about 3 weeks time...

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I just had to replace my front tyre. It was a BT20, as is the rear. My dealer, whom I trust, said the all new Bridgestone T30 GT was what I needed, and that it was the "modern" replacement for the BT20. As far as I have been able to research, the specs seem to me to be the same, and after the first 700 km I am very pleased with the performance and handling of this tyre. Longevity is to be seen...Ive put some 6000 km on the bike since i got it on March 20th this year...and I keep tyre pressure at 2,9 bar, front and rear...Love to ride this big girl...will be taking her to the Harz mountains in Germany in about 3 weeks time...
You might want to check the load and speed ratings on your tires - LTs take a 79V rated tire on the rear and 58V on the front. I have found that tire guys don't necessarily want to sell you something they don't have in stock. I had a Metzler ME880 non-reinforced tire installed on my LT right after I bought it. Although it worked ok, I always had that thought in the back of my mind that something bad could happen (like catastrophic failure and then your insurance company denying a claim due to use of a tire not rated for the bike). Attached is a copy of an MIC Tire Guide I downloaded some time ago, and use as a reference on tire issues.
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The guy at the BMW dealership said that Metz is coming out with an 888 tire, but it is not out for the LT just yet.

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Then here is a new question. I replaced the Metz bias ply tire on the front with a radial. Now I want to do the rear, but everything the tire store has for the rear is bias ply. Do y'all know which rear radial tire will work for my '02 LT, or do I need to put a bias ply back there? I have been told that you shouldn't mix and match the two.

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I believe the earlier LTs have had Avon Storm Ultra's mounted:
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I believe the earlier LTs have had Avon Storm Ultra's mounted:
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I looked at that site. They didn't say whether it is a radial or bias ply. I am really trying to get a radial for the rear.

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I looked at that site. They didn't say whether it is a radial or bias ply. I am really trying to get a radial for the rear.
the storm 3d is a radial, that is what the R in the tire size means
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On a car, don't mix radials and bias.

On a motorcycle, doesn't matter. Just be sure that they are rated for the weight.

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OK, here's the story of the film so far: I ordered an AVON Storm 3D X-M 160/70R17 79V . It will be here tomorrow. John T seems to like the AVON, so if it turns out to be a mistake, I can always just blame him. I'll let y'all know how it goes.

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On a motorcycle, doesn't matter. Just be sure that they are rated for the weight.

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OK, here's the story of the film so far: I ordered an AVON Storm 3D X-M 160/70R17 79V . It will be here tomorrow. John T seems to like the AVON, so if it turns out to be a mistake, I can always just blame him. I'll let y'all know how it goes.
I now have about 3500 miles on a set of Avon Storm 3D X-M tires and they still look brand new. This was my first time with the Avon tires and man do I love them. Wet roads, tar snakes etc are a breeze. I even find that running over the yellow line in the road does not bother me anymore. All of this been said, I feel that if you are looking for mileage only that the Mets and Bridgestone combo would be your best bet. Good luck with your choice and let it be known that the tire question has been beat to death. Just find what works for you (as long as it rated for the LT) and let it go.
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Yes, I am looking for mileage. I ride every day long and straight cruising. I generally ride in the dry on the way to work, and in the wet on the way home. It's Florida after all. It rains every day around 4pm. I was really looking to get away from bias ply and go to radials. In a few months, I will have a LOT of miles on these and I will update everyone.

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I installed the new AVON Storm 3D X-M 160/70R17 79V on the back. I was rather proud that I was able to do that all by myself (no need to give my right arm, left testicle, and first born male child to the dealership). So far, the tire feels a bit weird. The bike seems a bit more unstable under normal flat, straight conditions. I feel kinda wobbly, almost like I am about to fall over. However, it seems to WANT to lean into the turns easier AND that unstable wobbly feeling is there in bad turbulent windy conditions, rather than being thrown all over the road like before. I guess that is the difference between bias ply and radials. Now that I am rolling on two radials (120/70R-17 (58V) Metzeler ME880 Marathon Front) we'll see how she holds up over time. The Metz bias ply tires barely managed a few thousand miles.

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A new set of Avons will make your bike fall into the curves.

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My last rear tire, out of necessity on a 6100mi trip was a Michelin Commander II 160/70B17, it's bias ply with a 73 rating (good for 805lb load capacity). I am pretty happy with it so far, the sales rep tells me it should get me 15k miles, I'll believe it when I see it... but they seem to handle pretty good for a bias ply tire, the profile was a bit curvier than the Metzeler so the bike is a bit easier to lean over imo... I'll update mileage when I get there.
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Also, looking at the Metzeler 888, I can't tell if it's a bias ply or radial, the Metzeler website suggests radial, amazon shows bias ply, it has a higher load rating than the 880 at 79 (963lb vs 805lb for the 880) and it's rated for 130mph.
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Let the flaming begin...
On my 2002 LT, the one in the picture by my name, I tried the Avon Storms.
I was able to get 900 miles out of them.
Sure, I probably did not ride that bike the way you ride your LT, but I personally feel the Storms rubber is too soft for such a big tourer.
Avon tires in general are terrible and should be classed below the Shinko brand.

The same bike I was lucky to get 4K out of the ME880's.
My wife often complained about her foot pegs dragging the pavement.

That bike handled much better than this 2005 I recently purchased.
But I am trying to change my riding style.

Before you rip into my riding habits, remember not all of us live near straight roads. Or use straight roads.

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900 MILES?!?!

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I tried the Avon Storms.
I was able to get 900 miles out of them.
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Before you rip into my riding habits, remember not all of us live near straight roads. Or use straight roads.
I don't see anyone "ripping into" your riding style.
I doubt anyone cares actually.

Plenty of folks ride the LT at a "spirited pace"... myself included.

But 900 miles out of a storm2 ultra is ridiculous.
Something ain't right. Most likely air pressure. (or lack of)

I think the worse mileage I ever got on a set of tires was around 2000 miles. And that was running super sticky tires on a ZX10 through the N. Georgia mountains.

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I don't see anyone "ripping into" your riding style.
I doubt anyone cares actually.

Plenty of folks ride the LT at a "spirited pace"... myself included.

But 900 miles out of a storm2 ultra is ridiculous.
Something ain't right. Most likely air pressure. (or lack of)

I think the worse mileage I ever got on a set of tires was around 2000 miles. And that was running super sticky tires on a ZX10 through the N. Georgia mountains.
Well I check my pressure every time I ride.
2000 on a ZX10 would be high mileage for a local rider here.
I wish I could get 2000 miles out of a set of tires on any of my sportbikes.

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... Avon tires in general are terrible and should be classed below the Shinko brand.
Nothin wrong with Shinko tires. I run them on nearly everything I have, including the rear of my '99 LT. Yeah they carry a lower speed rating (H, 130mph) but are 79 Load reinforced tires (shinko 777HD). Have 2K miles on the tire now and still looks nearly new. I expect at least 10-12K on the tire and almost all of that is 2-up riding and grinding down foot pegs regularly. For the money, you cant beat that with a stick if thats what I get out of them.

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Well I check my pressure every time I ride.
2000 on a ZX10 would be high mileage for a local rider here.
I wish I could get 2000 miles out of a set of tires on any of my sportbikes.
Do you street the bikes or are they track toys? I ride extremely aggressive on my sportbikes, specifically on my RC51, which is a heavy girl. Regularly drag knees and am hard on the power and brakes pretty much all the time unless i see those scary black and white cars around. Only time I have done-in a set of tires that fast is on the track, and then it is just the shoulders and they make for good take-off street tires after that. I also run Shinkos on my RC51 as well (Apex 010 to be exact) and punish the hell out of them and they take it in stride - with a plug in the rear even. I have about 3500 miles on those and showing about 1/2-2/3 gone. rarely will I see 6K out of sportbike tires, usually 4500-5500 miles.

I have trashed a brand new set of michelin pilot powers in 7 laps on the track, but they were soft racing compounds.

FWIW, Im running the shinko 777HD on the rear and an IRC on the front - 41f/42r - max pressures per sidewall, and love the combo now. the front still looks new and the rear is showing nearly no wear and both very sticky on the dry stuff. Wet is another story. Im not happy about that but im not sure if its the tires or the bike as I use the 777 on my metric cruisers as well and have no wet handling issues. The rear seems to be the slippy tire in the rain on the LT but I have no other comparison to base it off of.

dont knock the brand unless you have used them (recently - they used to be junk though). Its another option, at least for the rear of the LT. I am going on a 2771 mile trip, 2-up and fully (over)loaded in 2 weeks (over 8 days) through california and oregon and then down PCH and will report back on that.

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The Avons I mounted back in July were doing great... until Sunday when I noticed the steel belts on the outside. The weird thing is, the wear pattern. The center and right side of the tire are fine and have plenty of life left. The left side however... well, you can see for yourself in the pix. Has anyone seen this before? I have asked tire friends and other bike friends, but they are at a loss.

Well I WAS going to upload pix, but the website has an error. It does not recognize JPG or BMP as valid file types.

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How did they preform prior to this? I just ordered a set for $275 and hope they grip as well as I've heard.
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The Avons I mounted back in July were doing great... until Sunday when I noticed the steel belts on the outside. The weird thing is, the wear pattern. The center and right side of the tire are fine and have plenty of life left. The left side however... well, you can see for yourself in the pix. Has anyone seen this before? I have asked tire friends and other bike friends, but they are at a loss.

Well I WAS going to upload pix, but the website has an error. It does not recognize JPG or BMP as valid file types.
Nor PNG as I tried that when Jpeg failed. Something is broken with the server.

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I had the picture loading problem a couple weeks ago. I just emailed myself the pictures and loaded them thru my desk top....

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Nothin wrong with Shinko tires. I run them on nearly everything I have, including the rear of my '99 LT. Yeah they carry a lower speed rating (H, 130mph) but are 79 Load reinforced tires (shinko 777HD). Have 2K miles on the tire now and still looks nearly new. I expect at least 10-12K on the tire and almost all of that is 2-up riding and grinding down foot pegs regularly. For the money, you cant beat that with a stick if thats what I get out of them.



Do you street the bikes or are they track toys? I ride extremely aggressive on my sportbikes, specifically on my RC51, which is a heavy girl. Regularly drag knees and am hard on the power and brakes pretty much all the time unless i see those scary black and white cars around. Only time I have done-in a set of tires that fast is on the track, and then it is just the shoulders and they make for good take-off street tires after that. I also run Shinkos on my RC51 as well (Apex 010 to be exact) and punish the hell out of them and they take it in stride - with a plug in the rear even. I have about 3500 miles on those and showing about 1/2-2/3 gone. rarely will I see 6K out of sportbike tires, usually 4500-5500 miles.

I have trashed a brand new set of michelin pilot powers in 7 laps on the track, but they were soft racing compounds.

FWIW, Im running the shinko 777HD on the rear and an IRC on the front - 41f/42r - max pressures per sidewall, and love the combo now. the front still looks new and the rear is showing nearly no wear and both very sticky on the dry stuff. Wet is another story. Im not happy about that but im not sure if its the tires or the bike as I use the 777 on my metric cruisers as well and have no wet handling issues. The rear seems to be the slippy tire in the rain on the LT but I have no other comparison to base it off of.

dont knock the brand unless you have used them (recently - they used to be junk though). Its another option, at least for the rear of the LT. I am going on a 2771 mile trip, 2-up and fully (over)loaded in 2 weeks (over 8 days) through california and oregon and then down PCH and will report back on that.

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I wonder if the tyre pressure is wrong I had the same problem with my old r100rt had to put an extra 10psi in it then it worked fine. check with the manufacturer they will have the answer definatly needs mare air
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I have a Metzler 888 ultra on the rear. Should get 20k easy. Like it so well I put an 888 on the front. The size is a little off but not too bad. Think it's a 130/80/17 on the front.
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I wish they would come on and release the proper size in the 888. I'm trying to hold out as long as possible as I'm not happy with this last 880 front, and it is getting worse.

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The 130.80.17 - 888 runs fine on the front. For me anyhow. No hands, twisties, 115 mph. I have no problems so far. Probably have 2500 miles on it
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YAY! I got the pictures to upload. Anyhoo, now you can see what is going on with them. They have been good tires up until now. They rode great. I e-mailed all of this to RockyMountainATV where I bought it to see what they have to say about it.
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Severe cupping has my vote.
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But what would cause the cupping in the first place?

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But what would cause the cupping in the first place?
I am in no way a tire guru. I think cupping because it looks similar to other tires I've seen that had that issue. To my understanding the condition of your suspension, air pressure, road and riding conditions factor into it but some tires are just more prone then others on some bikes. Luck of the draw I believe. I did steal this from a post on another forum.

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Cupping, which is more accurately described as scalloping (see pictures, but we will use the more common term "cupping" here), is a natural wear pattern on motorcycle tires and it will always follow the tread pattern. It is not a sign that you have bad suspension parts. It merely shows that your tire is indeed gripping the road when you make turns (thank you for that Mr. Tire!). This cupping develops within the side wear bands of a leaned motorcycle. The extreme forces that come in to play when the bike is leaned in a turn are what produce the effect and when the wear becomes sufficient, one will experience vibration and noise when one banks into a turn. Upon examination of the pictures at left of our sample rear Avon, our dusted front VTX Dunlop D256, and the picture of our chalked Dunlop D206 one can see how the cupping follows the tread pattern. The leading edge of the tread does not flex much as it grips the road and the rubber is scuffed off the tire in that area causing a depression. As the tire rotates, the pressure moves to the trailing edge of the tread pattern where the tread flexes more causing less scuffing so less material is ground off the tire. The more complex the tread pattern, the more complex the cupping pattern will be. The softer the compound of the tire, the sooner this cupping will develop. Radial tires are more prone to cupping than are bias ply because the compound of radials is softer. As one can see, the simple tread pattern of the Avon pictured produces a simpler scallop pattern while the more complex VTX D256 Dunlop is somewhat involved, though still easily seen in our photo. Cupping on the Valkyrie Dunlop D206 is very hard to photograph because of the complex tread pattern. Low tire pressure will exacerbate this wear pattern and you will lose many serviceable miles by running low. Improper balance has nothing to do with cupping on a motorcycle tire. Improper balance will merely cause your bike to vibrate within certain specific speed ranges.

The following textual illustration comes from Martin who contributed to this article by E-mail on June 26, 2006:
I was just reading your bit on "cupping" and thought I'd share with you how I describe what's going on. I usually tell people that what's happening is that the individual "blocks" or "islands" of tread are squirming and deforming due to the forces applied to them during cornering and braking. When this deforming takes place, the wear is naturally not evenly distributed across the surface of the tread. (I define a tread block as an area of the tire surface surrounded by a groove.) I next tell people they can demonstrate to themselves what's happening by taking a new pencil with an unused eraser on the end and while holding the pencil perfectly vertical, push down and drag the eraser on a rough surface in one direction. Then I tell them to look at the eraser and note that all the wear is on the leading edge and not evenly distributed across the end surface of the eraser. It seems to make the concept easier for many to understand. Cheers!"
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