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Bad Metzler 880

I was doing my normal pre-flight getting ready for a ride when I noticed this. A rather large chunk of rubber missing from my tire.

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Tire: Metzler ME880 bought from BMW in NC
Age: 12 1/2 months
Mileage: @8300
Location: rear
Bike: 2000 BMW K1200LT
USE: mostly highway mileage
6000 miles in last three weeks
Air pressure: 48 but tire would loose @10lbs every two days. I always top off the tire before riding.
Front tire running @42 never drop
Other info: running Dynabeads for balance.

I would call this a failure on the part of the tire. Do I have a case for a replacement from Metzler

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considering the age and mileage I would think not, but maybe they will show a little faith by way of discount if you go back where you got it and ask if there is any thing they can do. looks like it has more wear on the left side probably lamination from heat blister 6k in three weeks is not a bad effort

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I was doing my normal pre-flight getting ready for a ride when I noticed this. A rather large chunk of rubber missing from my tire.

Specs:
Tire: Metzler ME880 bought from BMW in NC
Age: 12 1/2 months
Mileage: @8300
Location: rear
Bike: 2000 BMW K1200LT
USE: mostly highway mileage
6000 miles in last three weeks
Air pressure: 48 but tire would loose @10lbs every two days. I always top off the tire before riding.
Front tire running @42 never drop
Other info: running Dynabeads for balance.

I would call this a failure on the part of the tire. Do I have a case for a replacement from Metzler

Comments welcome!

I am guessing not based on my experience last year. I had a circumferential crack on the sidewall after about 4,000 miles of use. I was told the deal was 50% refund if at least 50% of tread remained. No refund if less than 50% tread remaining.

I normally get 8-9,000 miles so I was on the borderline. I sent it back to where I bought it and hot 50% credit! but it took over a month as I recall. I bought a Bridgestone as the replacement based on recommendations from several here on the forum.

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Re: Bad Metzler 880

I had the same thing happen to me. The tyre was alittle under half used, the retailer told me I'd used an underinflated tyre an picked up a nail along the way. Utter drivel since I regularly check my tyres and tyre pressure. Still, had to buy a new tyre and no discount!

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That looks just like what happened to me a year ago. You can see a photo and discussion of it here. The majority opinion in that discussion was that it was not delamination.

I assumed I had hit something while underway, so I didn't pursue a refund with anybody.

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Re: Bad Metzler 880

Just had the same issue on a recent Metz. I thought maybe it was my fault for not being dilligent enough on checking tire pressure but now I know that wasnt it. I got that tire from Cycle Gear and when I returned it they gave me half of the cost in store credit decided to try the Stone this time.
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I had a bubble in the tread on a front tire and Metzeler told me I had to go though my dealer for a claim. I told them I get my tires mail order and they didn't care, if I wanted them to help I had to go through a dealer.

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I had a bubble in the tread on a front tire and Metzeler told me I had to go though my dealer for a claim. I told them I get my tires mail order and they didn't care, if I wanted them to help I had to go through a dealer.
Same here. I had to pay shipping back also. Almost wasn't worth it for a 50% refund.

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Hiya Pace,

I had the same thing happen during a trip around Australia. My failure was on the RHS with 5 blisters that the tops had ripped off. We drive on the LHS of the road. Was very hot, pulling a trailer and not hanging around either. Metzler replaced it no charge after I got home. Another few k's and it would have popped!

Looking at your picture which is very dark, it looks as if you have bad assymetrical wear on the tire. Are you towing a trailer at all.

I am half way thru another Australian tour and after the bad experience with the Metzlers have a set of BS 020's fitted. Again I am showing wear, only nowhere as bad. As we have been riding for the first 2 weeks into wind from the RH quarter, I suspect that the lean of the bike into the wind, and maybe the trailer acting as a sail, is promoting this wear pattern. I still have about 6000k's to go so I will see how it pans out. The last week has been nearly no wind. Amazing the difference it makes to fuel consumption!

I normally run 42/48 psi front and back but have reduced the rear slightly as heat build up takes the pressure over 50 psi - beyond the design limits of the tire.

After the last trip, I now run the back wheel without the spacer, making sure that the wheel does not rub on the swing arm. This has also reduced the RHS wear tendency during normal riding. I can ride hands off now, where as before there was always a tendency to pull one way.

Discount all the camber of the road arguments, as to achieve the angle of wear, you would have to be riding on a very highly cambered road for extremely long distances.

I have tried to attach a piccy of my tire - hope it comes thru.

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[QUOTE=bmwbazza;969265]Hiya Pace,

I had the same thing happen during a trip around Australia. My failure was on the RHS with 5 blisters that the tops had ripped off. We drive on the LHS of the road. Was very hot, pulling a trailer and not hanging around either. Metzler replaced it no charge after I got home. Another few k's and it would have popped!

Looking at your picture which is very dark, it looks as if you have bad assymetrical wear on the tire. Are you towing a trailer at all.

I am half way thru another Australian tour and after the bad experience with the Metzlers have a set of BS 020's fitted. Again I am showing wear, only nowhere as bad. As we have been riding for the first 2 weeks into wind from the RH quarter, I suspect that the lean of the bike into the wind, and maybe the trailer acting as a sail, is promoting this wear pattern. I still have about 6000k's to go so I will see how it pans out. The last week has been nearly no wind. Amazing the difference it makes to fuel consumption!

I normally run 42/48 psi front and back but have reduced the rear slightly as heat build up takes the pressure over 50 psi - beyond the design limits of the tire.

After the last trip, I now run the back wheel without the spacer, making sure that the wheel does not rub on the swing arm. This has also reduced the RHS wear tendency during normal riding. I can ride hands off now, where as before there was always a tendency to pull one way.

Discount all the camber of the road arguments, as to achieve the angle of wear, you would have to be riding on a very highly cambered road for extremely long distances.

I have tried to attach a piccy of my tire - hope it comes thru.

Barry[/QUOTE


I believe the Bridgestones have a 48 psi max as compared to 50 for Metzeler.

No need to adjust for temp induced pressure rise. The tire maker has already done that. You can inflate to the max pressure as long as the tire is cold. No need to worry if hot temp pressure rises above the cold inflation max.

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