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post #1 of 16 Old Apr 27th, 2014, 1:08 pm Thread Starter
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I ride a K1300 GT and need to replace my front brake pads. Any positive experiences with brands, etc.

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post #2 of 16 Old Apr 28th, 2014, 8:27 pm
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hello Denny. I have had good luck or at least no problems with the EBC sintered HH pads if memory is correct. I do have a bad memory though! I am playing down in the southwest right now. I can give you more when I get home.

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I've had good luck with the EBC pads:

Rear Pads FA438HH

Front Left Pads FA335HH (no brake pad wear sensor cutout)

Front Right Pads FA441HH (with cutout for the wear sensor)

Note that the FA335HH and FA441HH are the same except for the cutout, so either set will fit in either caliper side if you have already disabled the wear sensor by shorting the wire up at the first plug. See this thread for details and pics.

I imagine there's a non-sensor-cutout version of the FA438HH rear pads as well, but I never bothered to chase it down.

I find that Powersport Superstore usually has them on sale for under $30 a pair. Fast shipping, too.

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I've had real good results with Carbone Lorraine's from Beemer Boneyard. While I have an RT I can't see why you wouldn't get good results from them too.
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I did notice the carbonne pads available through Beemer Boneyard and wondered about them. Anybody else have experience with them? Tks for the responses so far.

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I'm using SSB's if I remember correctly. Lots of bite and stopping power but I don't know how they are on the rotors yet. I think at the time it was all I could find in stock.

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I am reluctant to disagree with Ken, but you may want to see the discussions in these threads regarding SBS vs. EBC brand brake pads.

I had EBCs, but switched to SBS.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=30899

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=29798
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Yeah, I hate it when people do that.

My experience with EBC pads was fine, and they were pretty much the only option available back then.

I've since heard good things about the SBS and Carbone Lorraine pads, but by that point I'd moved on to a different Beemer, so I never had the chance to try any of them out myself.

I know that Bob (RFW on i-bmw.com) is also an experienced high-mileage rider, and usually gives very good advice. If I was still riding my Slant/4 GT, I'd probably try the SBS pads out myself just to see the difference.

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I've never been disappointed with EBC pads. Love their stopping power.
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I gather that BMW stopped installing the brake pad wear sensors at some point due to unreliability, etc. - anybody know when that happened?

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They're not on the K1300 bikes, nor are they on the K1600 bikes.

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Denny, Have you bypassed your brake sensors yet?

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Brian -

From what Ken posted it looks like my K1300 GT doesn't have the sensors. I assume you've shorted yours out?

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They're not on the K1300 bikes, nor are they on the K1600 bikes.
Thanks for the clarification, Ken.

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I'm aware that some grouse about EBC HH being harder on rotors than stock. Maybe- after all they're HH and not GG like most BMW stock fronts. Less friction generally equates to a softer pad and vice versa.

But I've got them on 5 of 7 in the fleet (the others are new enough to still have oem) and can't tell any issues with rotor wear. Not that I'd care much anyway since the rotors will clearly go well over 100K on most, maybe all of these bikes anyway and with as many bikes as I ride I surely won't kill them all from distance before getting other bikes.

Re the fact that BMW uses a softer rear pad than front- its true. But there is also no reason to stick with that- the change to HH at the rear will not cause any rider detectable problems. BMWs designers are apparently terrified of some former chopper rider locking up a rear and doing something stupid even with ABS. So they provide an underpowered rear brake that is spongy partly due to a wrong master cylinder size and partly to the organic pad, has excessive travel and almost no modulation feel especially on models with linked brake systems. The fact is that a harder pad like the EBC HH improves it a bit and you may well find the rear easier to use in conjunction with the linked system when needing all out stopping power. The linked system does not deliver maximal power using the front lever only though that methods works fine for normal stopping.

I've changed out the dissimilar stock pads to EBC HH front and rear on both a wedge GT and an R1200RT both with linked brakes (the GT also with those rotten whizzies) and both systems are better with EBC HH in them.

SBS. CL and a couple others have good reps for brake pads so nothing wrong with trying them if you wish. Many BMW dealers inventory and sell the EBC HH for routine service work due to the cost of BMWs stock pads so you may find what you need sat your local dealer as well as mail order. The EBC HH are sintered copper, not sintered iron like true high performance cage pads, and copper is not hard enough to eat rotors quickly. However, all sintered pads make metallic dust that is corrosive when wet and can damage wheel finishes. I coat my wheel paint with a commercial product, Eagle's Keep Clean Wheel to prevent that. It prevents it totally if used a couple times a year and chemically is essentially like a waterproof sunscreen base- without the UV protectant.

EBC makes its stuff at two primary locations- one in the US, the other in the UK. Though I like the HH, I do not at all like their performance cage pads having seen too many problems with them as a track instructor (usually inability to withstand the conditions for which they were rated by EBC). For true automotive track performance, IMO there is only one always trouble free maker and that is Performance Friction (any of their real race pads, not so much their well advertized street Z pad). They do require a true race brake system with serious rotor cooling built on the vehicle because their very fine sintered iron content can spike very high rotor surface temps.
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Thanks to Paul (Racer7) for his helpful comments. My motives for changing from EBC to the SBS pads were:

1. EBC pads are harder than stock, resulting in faster rotor wear. Paul covered this topic very well.

2. Supposedly BMW makes assumptions about pad hardness and grip when designing its ABS systems. It was my understanding that SBS pads more closely replicate the hardness and grip of the BMW OEM pads, and is closer to what the BMW ABS design expects as it does its job. There has been some discussion in the past that the ABS might not sufficiently release the pads in some wheel lockup situations with the EBC pads installed.

Would Paul (Racer7) or others care to comment about the relationship between the choice of brake pads and ABS functionality, or whether it matters?
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