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post #1 of 24 Old May 14th, 2006, 3:22 am Thread Starter
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A long decision nearly complete

I'd resigned myself to waiting until '07 to be able to really replace my LT. The Bonne is a nice ride but no touring (or sport-touring) bike.

Then, out of the blue, a chance to pick up an '06 FJR1300 at a discount knocked me on the head. I hope to have the bike in hand next week.

The new GT was my first choice but the economics of the FJR were just too compelling. Good luck to all you new GT owners and see you down the road!

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post #2 of 24 Old May 14th, 2006, 9:15 pm
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Good luck riding the Japanese price.

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Don't think I can agree with you, Rob. I love my LT (and I haven't ridden a new GT yet because I know what'll happen) but not everyone has that kind of discretionary income. When I first moved back to the States, I wanted an LT to replace the '99 I left in Europe, but with buying a house and getting re-settled it just wasn't gonna happen. I ended up with a Concours at a great deal. It was no LT, but got me back on two wheels and was fine for what it is. When my circumstances changed, I traded it in for an '02 LT and never looked back.

I know the FJR isn't a GT, and Todd even says so in his post. But it is still a fine bike in its own right, and many folks are very happy with them. I know several serious LD riders who swear by the FJR, warts and all (sound familiar?).

So personally, I"m happy that Todd has found a bike that works for him. We should all be so lucky, whatever the circumstances.

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Thanks Ken. I guess some folks just need to feel that BMW superiority ;-)

Those of you that know me, know I loved my LT. In looking for a replacement, I considered the R1200RT, the much-refined '06 FJR and new GT. IMHO the FJR and GT are very evenly matched. However, for me, the $8K price difference was more important than the cruise and ESA. YMMV of course.

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I've ridden both the FJR and the ST1300. Neither compare to the K1200GT in terms of handling and rideability. BMW has really done something very special with the new K1200T - even if the new designs are ugly. Is it worth the $8000 difference? That's only a question you can answer.

I don't know what the magicians at BMW have done with the heat off the K1200GT, but I sure can't feel it. And now that I am out of the run-in period, this bike is rock solid stable at all speeds.


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Some friends of mine throw around a funny term once-in-awhile. "BMW Elitist Pig". I don't know if I've ever met one, didn't know they really existed...but now I'm more suspicious than ever.

I ride a BMW K1200LT. So what?

I ride a Kawasaki Ninja ZX-11. So what?!

Both are amazing bikes, IMHO.

I've ridden the comparable (to my Ninja) BMW K1200S three times and just can't find enough reasons to let go of my $5000 ZX-11 to buy the $17,000 K1200S.

Of course, perhaps if I was a true BMW Elitist Pig, I might be able to find the reasons. But...I guess I'm not.

Besides...rice goes great with Leberkäse. Someday you should try it!
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Then, out of the blue, a chance to pick up an '06 FJR1300 at a discount knocked me on the head. I hope to have the bike in hand next week.
Doug Hines (a former LT rider, now avid GS rider) is also on his second FJR. Must be a reason. He's a smart man and a great rider.

Congrats on your new baby Todd. Keep us updated...and don't mind what the "others" say.
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Doug makes stuff for the FJR crowd. He's on his second FJR because he can deduct it as a business expense. I would if I could.


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Besides...rice goes great with Leberkäse. Someday you should try it!
I've recently found that surströmming also goes quite nicely with Leberkäse (but I'm not sure that the GS agrees). Or maybe it is pasta now that Husky is owned by Cagiva?

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I've ridden both the FJR and the ST1300. Neither compare to the K1200GT in terms of handling and rideability. BMW has really done something very special with the new K1200T - even if the new designs are ugly. Is it worth the $8000 difference? That's only a question you can answer.

I don't know what the magicians at BMW have done with the heat off the K1200GT, but I sure can't feel it. And now that I am out of the run-in period, this bike is rock solid stable at all speeds.
Perhaps we can co-author a long term comparison and sell it to the mags!

BTW, Silver(?) GT for sale at Ft. Worth BMW as we speak. Sitting on the floor.

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BTW, Silver(?) GT for sale at Ft. Worth BMW as we speak. Sitting on the floor.
If I was to sell my ZX-11, then buy that GT . . . Hhmmn . . .

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Did the blue one sell on Saturday? It was there when I stopped by on my way out to Stephenville for BBQ. Bryan and I had a nice talk.


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I dunno, Joe, think you can muster enough attitude for that?

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Naw... I'm just a lowly rice-burner rider from way back.
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Did the blue one sell on Saturday? It was there when I stopped by on my way out to Stephenville for BBQ. Bryan and I had a nice talk.
Yes. The blue one was delivered to it's owner on Saturday. At that time, they'd sold 3 of their first 4 and the silver was still available.

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Good luck riding the Japanese price.
Congratulations, that is easily the most ignorant statement I've read on this board all year.

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Hey Jeff-

Have you had a chance to ride an '06 yet? It's improved in every area that kept me from buying one 2 years ago (bought the Triumph instead). The heat management fixes on the '06 have eliminated the biggest problem.

Is it a BMW? No, but what else is?

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Thanks for the riding complement "Messenger13". I now have my 3rd new FJR1300. I have just posted a comparsion of the new 06FJR1300 verses the K1200GT after a full days ride of riding each. Both are excellent bikes.

I always said that if BMW ever made a sport/touring bike as comfortable as the RT with the K engine I would buy one. Well they finally made one, although the GT is not quite as comfortable as RT but close, they have added the K engine with gobs of more power.

Read my new post on the comparsion and see what you think. My friend that has the GT said after riding the FJR, "You know, there's not much difference in these bikes except for the price." I have owned 17 new bikes in the past 7 years, and lucky for me, money has never been an hindrance for buying what I want, but I had to draw the line this time. I paid $11,800 for the 06 FJR1300 and my friend paid $20,500 for the new GT. Although I got a good buy on the FJR and he paid close to MSRP, I just decided there was not that much difference in the bikes to justify spending an extra $8,700.

I love both bikes and matter of fact, the only fault I could find with the GT other than price was the seat. The seat would definetly have to go, but that is subjective and easily cured with a custom seat. The GT will be a great bike and there is just not much to dislike about it. Oh, did I mention also that I thought the GT was butt ugly. That's not really important as I also ride a R1200GS.

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Thanks for the riding complement "Messenger13". I now have my 3rd new FJR1300.
You're quite welcome Doug...and congrats on the new purchases. Sounds like the stable is getting quite full. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.

Until our next ride...take care.
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Smile Got it! (the FJR that is)

Wow, it's exactly the bike I've been looking for! I won't yank your chains over here 'cause there's nothing bad to say about the GT but I couldn't be happier with the FJR. Ride safe brothers!

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06 1200GT vs. 06 FJR??!!

Well, I'll have both is the "stable" shortly (by September, I hope). Both bikes SEEM to be in the same class--so I should have comparable items.

Stay tuned.

(I wonder if it will be impossible to choose my favorite?)

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(I wonder if it will be impossible to choose my favorite?)
When people ask me, "Joe, which bike is your favorite?". I usually say, "Whichever one I rode LAST.".
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The new GT was my first choice but the economics of the FJR were just too compelling.
Good for you

The FJR is a great bike that's really appreciated by its owners. Lots of power, great rideability. But you have to know that mileage is not the same. I don't know what it gets in mpg, but in liters it's about 2l/100kms more...

I had Honda before and it's just night and day in costs. 'Sure it was cruisers but maintenance costs are a HUGE difference. With my Honda 1100 Aero I just never went to the dealer. Did all the maintenance myself. And it still worked as new after 35k miles

I'm not in the "don't worry 'bout money" mood and I own the LT just because I know I can do the maintenance myself. But to be honnest, It wouldn't be possible in the contrary.

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A little update

As I've mentioned earlier, I post here only because I've had a few folks ask for more details on how I like the FJR. I have no intention of stirring any kind of FJR vs. GT debate. IMHO, you can't go wrong with either bike. So...

I'm telling you, the FJR is the finest bike I've ever owned. I just can not express how much fun it is to ride. It's got everything I want in a bike and looks so freakin' awesome, IMNSHO. Lite, fast, agile, all day comfy, ABS with no servos, shaft drive that doesn't fail, great seat, great windshield, great bags...What's not to love?

Oh, and no heat at all. Tons of underseat storage, battery access in 15 seconds and a 250 mile range.

I really like how the bag mounts completely disappear when you take the bags off. Looks like a sport bike without them.

The tweaks they made to the suspension and the longer swingarm really nailed the handling. Like flying on rails.

Now if only the FJR world had a virtual family like this...

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