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Very close to pulling the trigger on the 1300 GT.
Question- The factory HID low seems weak , have others noted this ?

I plan on HID for both Hi and Low beams , the factory HID is $500 ! Has any one installed HID Low and HI in there 1200 or 1300 GT that came with halogens ? Results please.
Plan on all options except ESA, Alarm, on the fence on factory Xenon.
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The factory low beam HID on my K12GT works just great. No complaints at all. Yes, it's a pricey add-on, but I simply never think about my low beam ever.

Several folks have upgraded the H7 Halogen low beam with an aftermarket HID kit. There was some initial trouble with the CanBus throwing a fault but for some reason, that doesn't seem to be a problem anymore (software update?).

Upgrading the high beams to HID is a little different. Basically, the CanBus assumes you don't need full high beams when stopped, so it limits that voltage to ~10 volts. Once you get up to speed, the high beams go full voltage and thus full bright.

What that means is that at idle, aftermarket HIDs won't fire up on the high beam circuits. But once you're moving, they come on just fine. This really confused me when testing a high beam upgrade, until I got out the voltage tester . . .

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Re: 1300 GT Xenon

For the HID bulb on Max's site the part information is:

63217160933 bulb xenon light (D1R 12V 35W) BUY 1 $240.72

I would get ESAII - I had ESAI on the RT and liked it, ESAII is AWESOME, the feel between all the setting is more noticable and dynamic. To me it is a must have. YMMV

I have the stock Xenon no complaints and they work well in the day.

Suggest you ride a non-ESA GT and then go to an ESA equiped one and see how you like it

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.....The factory HID low seems weak, have others noted this?....
Both the factory Halogen and HID are very good. Bright and focused. The HID upgrade is a lot of bling for little bang.
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....I plan on HID for both Hi and Low beams , the factory HID is $500! Has any one installed HID Low and HI in there 1200 or 1300 GT that came with halogens? Results please....
The aftermarket HID (low-beam), at around $200 smacks, is a decent upgrade. The HID throws even brighter light, further, than the halogen. The color is to your liking, as the higher the "k" the more "Blue/Purple" the light appears.

HID for hi beams are no good because in addition to the Canbus issue, you loose "flash-to-pass" capability. Good, hi wattage halogen is just fine for hi beams.

If you're spending this much bling on a bike, I would definitely put out for the ESA. Factory HID is probably included in the wazuu option package.

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THe factory HID is excellent on the GT. Just get that and avoid all the hassles and headaches trying to retrofit some package.

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Esa would be the first option I would get. Works awesome, I have not seen one without it. You may have a hard time getting a bike without it. A friend tried to order a K1200S without esa and dealer told him no can do.

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For the HID bulb on Max's site the part information is:

63217160933 bulb xenon light (D1R 12V 35W) BUY 1 $240.72

I would get ESAII - I had ESAI on the RT and liked it, ESAII is AWESOME, the feel between all the setting is more noticable and dynamic. To me it is a must have. YMMV

I have the stock Xenon no complaints and they work well in the day.

Suggest you ride a non-ESA GT and then go to an ESA equiped one and see how you like it
Thanks for the info. I will go with the factory HID. The ballast list's for $400 at max.

I plan on Ohlins right from the start the ESA felt harsh to me. Glad the ESA fits you.
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Both the factory Halogen and HID are very good. Bright and focused. The HID upgrade is a lot of bling for little bang.

The aftermarket HID (low-beam), at around $200 smacks, is a decent upgrade. The HID throws even brighter light, further, than the halogen. The color is to your liking, as the higher the "k" the more "Blue/Purple" the light appears.

HID for hi beams are no good because in addition to the Canbus issue, you loose "flash-to-pass" capability. Good, hi wattage halogen is just fine for hi beams.

If you're spending this much bling on a bike, I would definitely put out for the ESA. Factory HID is probably included in the wazuu option package.
Thanks for the feedback Jay. My plan at this point is to order factory HID . I will install HID 4300-5000 K Hi Beams along with a pair of third and fourth generation PHID driving lights..
I was not happy with the ESA . I will install Ohlins from the start.
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THe factory HID is excellent on the GT. Just get that and avoid all the hassles and headaches trying to retrofit some package.
Thanks David!
I hope your bike will be on the road soon.

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Esa would be the first option I would get. Works awesome, I have not seen one without it. You may have a hard time getting a bike without it. A friend tried to order a K1200S without esa and dealer told him no can do.
Thanks Brian, I will have to special order my bike . All bikes with the options I want come equipped with ESA. So I will get all options except the ESA and Alarm.

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My plan at this point is to order factory HID. I will install HID 4300-5000 K Hi Beams along with a pair of third and fourth generation PHID driving lights.
Same exact setup as I'm going towards. Gotta love that football-stadium lighting, and the powerhouse alternator to handle it all.

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I was not happy with the ESA . I will install Ohlins from the start.
If you get stuck with an ESA-only bike (or if that gets you the bike you want sooner), let me know. At 95K miles, my ESA shocks need replacing. And for the retail cost of a pair of ESA suspenders I can almost trade up to a completely different bike. So I might be able to take those factory shocks off your hands for a decent price.

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Same exact setup as I'm going towards. Gotta love that football-stadium lighting, and the powerhouse alternator to handle it all.

If you get stuck with an ESA-only bike (or if that gets you the bike you want sooner), let me know. At 95K miles, my ESA shocks need replacing. And for the retail cost of a pair of ESA suspenders I can almost trade up to a completely different bike. So I might be able to take those factory shocks off your hands for a decent price.
The beauty of the PHID 3 is the throw of light down the road and the scatter of light to the side. With the PHID 4 I will shoot them straight down the road and aim the threes to the side for twistys and to freeze the critters. The alternator juice will be great !
I was also amazed by the motor heat management, I could not feel any.

Love the ESA concept , may take you up on that Swap. I think Works is the only company aside from stock that is compatable for the ESA.
I will make my decision on a 09 or10 GT based on new model year changes if any..
I guess I will call Dan Kyle and see if Ohlins is in the ESA game.

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Very close to pulling the trigger on the 1300 GT.
Question- The factory HID low seems weak , have others noted this ?

I plan on HID for both Hi and Low beams , the factory HID is $500 ! Has any one installed HID Low and HI in there 1200 or 1300 GT that came with halogens ? Results please.
Plan on all options except ESA, Alarm, on the fence on factory Xenon.
More Koolaid Please

Thanks !
I will jump in with my 2 cents worth.

I have the factory HID on my 2007 K1200GT. It is much brighter than any other headlight I have used. It has an asymmetric lighting pattern - flat left and center, with a sharp cutoff just below "rear window" height, then a straight line (45 degree) rise to the right, which illuminates the right side of the road and road signs very well. It is very bright. I don't understand why the lighting pattern is legal, because it must be annoying to people if I am riding behind and to the left on multi-lane highways.

I have had a few people flash their brights at me in an attempt to get me to lower my "high beams". Once, while riding with friends (with their own HID-equipped GT), some [email protected]#^& tailgated us the full length of Donner Pass in the dark, to deliver the message that he was annoyed with our headlights. The driver really put our safety and live at risk, just to deliver the message that he/she didn't like our headlights.

The factory low beams are HID, but the high beams are not, which I believe is a good thing. I would be concerned that HIDs high beams take a few seconds to reach full brightness, which doesn't help to flash a warning. Meese has commented that HIDs in their initial warm-up phase are still brighter than standard bulbs, but I believe the quick "flash" gets more attention than the slow glow to full brightness.

If you need still more illumination for LD rides, consider adding separately switched auxiliary lights (HIDs or otherwise). They are on my long-term farkle list.

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I have the factory HID on my 2007 K1200GT. It is much brighter than any other headlight I have used. It has an asymmetric lighting pattern - flat left and center, with a sharp cutoff just below "rear window" height, then a straight line (45 degree) rise to the right, which illuminates the right side of the road and road signs very well.
You bring up a very good point - the light reflector for the HID was specifically designed for the HID light output.

When you put an HID bulb in a Halogen designed geometry reflector you get much more of a desired (undesired effect).

If i were to want HID high beams I would go with adding external HID's which have their own specifically designed internal projection geometry that I can properly aim, rather than try to force something into an unintended design.


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The last couple of posts bring up some interesting points, but y'all should understand that many of us in the Long Distance riding community have been dealing with these issues for years now. We've tested every possible light combination, and are always on the lookout for the next best thing. When something new does come up several folks will grab it and try it out, then report back to the whole community. So at this point we've pretty much got it covered, at least in terms of what works best for our needs.

I agree that a factory-designed HID is the best option, which is why I was glad to have that available on the GT. But a quality HID upgrade that keeps the point light source at the same location as the halogen bulb is also a very good addition. That worked well for me for years on two different LT's, and works just as well on the GT high beams.

As for flashing the high beams, I pretty much never do that. If they can't see me coming up behind with three HIDs already running, then they're already clueless and blind. And I'd much rather have excellent forward lighting for that 95% of the time I need it than worry about being able to flash-to-pass for that 5% of the time that might want to do that. And as I said, you can still flash-to-pass with HIDs just fine if you want to. They do come on very bright right at first, then just get brighter and brighter as you leave them on.

Honestly, I find that I'm more likely to have the HIDs running, dim them briefly as I pass a car (either oncoming or going my direction), then turn them back on again where they come to full brightness almost immediately. So my HIDs stay running most of the time and get dimmed only briefly as opposed to being off most of the time and only getting flashed occasionally.

I've actually had folks tell me that certain HID Driving lights are useless because they're so bright that they will annoy oncoming traffic well over 1/2 mile away. But I've spent hours on roads where there simply is no oncoming traffic, whether crossing lonely Nevada or Montana or climbing some obscure mountain at 3 a.m. On these roads, you're more likely to see deer and other wildlife than another car, so having all the lighting you can possibly get is a good thing.

So what Pete and I are looking at is the factory HID low beam and Gen 3 PHIDs for close-up illumination (both of which I have been running for tens of thousands of miles with great success). And upgraded HID high beams for medium/long illumination (the factory reflectors are good but the halogen bulbs just don't throw enough light), plus the new Gen 4 PHIDs for looking way down the road (these things are scary bright with an excellent throw of light).

So if you're the type that only occasionally uses your high beam, then none of this excess makes sense. But if you're consistently outriding your high beam, then augmenting that not only makes sense, it becomes a safety issue.

No, none of this is cheap. And having 7 forward-facing HIDs really is overkill. But when you do the kind of miles that we do over the kind of terrain that we ride, you naturally go after the best lighting you can find. And a lot of it.

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