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I have a Rick Meyer seat for my 2007 K1200GT. The seat is leather so I end up sliding forward when I take a corner or brake. Is there anything I can put on the leather to make it more adhesive or is there another solution anyone could suggest other than getting the seat recovered?
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I have a Rick Meyer seat for my 2007 K1200GT. The seat is leather so I end up sliding forward when I take a corner or brake. Is there anything I can put on the leather to make it more adhesive or is there another solution anyone could suggest other than getting the seat recovered?
Get knee grips that go on the side of the tank. I'm not sure who makes them but someone that has them should chime in soon. Grif, David Taylor, Meese ???

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Always check out Jerry's inventory when in doubt.

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Lexol leather cleaner and conditioner always makes my car seats sticky. Or you could fasten your seat belt a bit tighter!!!

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Talk to Rick and get your seat fixed right. A properly fitted and sculpted seat won't allow you to slide forward like that. Everything else is just a band-aid fix.

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Some adjustments from Rick will help. I also highly recommend the TechSpec Gripster pads. There is very little friction for your knees when you grip the tank during braking and these work like a charm.

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Some adjustments from Rick will help. I also highly recommend the TechSpec Gripster pads. There is very little friction for your knees when you grip the tank during braking and these work like a charm.
I agree with David. I slipped forward badly with the stock seat and Grif told me about the Gripster pads. I got them and cured the problem. I received my saddle from Rick Mayer in November and have not had a problem. I think you will have the problem with any saddle without the grip pads due to the design of the bike (Spout Touring). The bike is designed to have a slight forward leaning position, which I have about eliminated with Rick' s seat and the handlebar set backs. If I could just do something with the pegs, it would as good as the LT.

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I agree with David. I slipped forward badly with the stock seat and Grif told me about the Gripster pads. I got them and cured the problem. I received my saddle from Rick Mayer in November and have not had a problem. I think you will have the problem with any saddle without the grip pads due to the design of the bike (Spout Touring). The bike is designed to have a slight forward leaning position, which I have about eliminated with Rick' s seat and the handlebar set backs. If I could just do something with the pegs, it would as good as the LT.

Look down towards the bottom of this site for the K1200GT pads.
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There is a peg lowering kit out there somewhere. I think Ken had one on his GT for a while.

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I think you will have the problem with any saddle without the grip pads due to the design of the bike (Spout Touring).
No, I disagree. A properly fitted seat will eliminate that sliding forward business. There needs to be a bucket for you to sit in that supports your butt and your upper thighs, which spreads the weight over a larger area for better long-distance comfort. And the seat should raise up at the front so that your hips stay in position even on hard deceleration. Yes, the GT is a sport-tourer, but we don't need to be hanging off in corners or bent over holding the front axle to hustle this bike along. Trust me, I've embarrassed much sportier, "faster" bikes with a combination of skill and confidence while sitting upright with the iPod blasting . . .

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If I could just do something with the pegs, it would as good as the LT.
Suburban Machinery does make a set of peg extenders for the GT, as does Verholen. I put the Verholen 40mm (1.5") peg extenders on the day I got the GT. The SM extenders are fixed, but the Verholen extenders are two-piece with a serrated interface which allows a bit of fore-and-aft adjustment if needed. But I found that once they're set you don't really need to move them.

With those and the seat in the high position I actually had slightly more leg room than the LT. But it's much easier to drag the lowered pegs in the corners, so if you're an aggressive rider then you might want to consider that.

Or you could always go with these.

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No, I disagree. A properly fitted seat will eliminate that sliding forward business. There needs to be a bucket for you to sit in that supports your butt and your upper thighs, which spreads the weight over a larger area for better long-distance comfort. And the seat should raise up at the front so that your hips stay in position even on hard deceleration.
OR:

You can use a layered composite of different densities and thicknesses of military specification 3M visco elastic foam that molds to your butt bones and vectors forces in all different directions - to create the "bucket" INSIDE the seat.

AND:

a knitted, mesh polyester top cover that was specifically designed to grip you and keep you from sliding forward while allowing a tremendous amount of air to flow underneath your butt.

Isn't modern technology great?


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You can use a layered composite of different densities and thicknesses of military specification 3M visco elastic foam that molds to your butt bones and vectors forces in all different directions - to create the "bucket" INSIDE the seat.
OK, but it's still a "bucket" tailored to your own butt. Same basic idea, then.

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a knitted, mesh polyester top cover that was specifically designed to grip you and keep you from sliding forward while allowing a tremendous amount of air to flow underneath your butt.
Yes, and a tremendous amount of water, too.

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Yep - right up until it rains.

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OK, but it's still a "bucket" tailored to your own butt. Same basic idea, then.

Yes, and a tremendous amount of water, too.

Yep - right up until it rains.



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Wear leather pants. I have a pair of Langitz that stick to the seat like a suction cup which I hate. Personally I believe it is better to be able to slide around, set your cg to the corner, and move across the bike L to R to balance the action to make things work in a smooth, safe but fast manner. So, most of the time I wear belstaff pants.

May be to many dirt hours though
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No, I disagree. A properly fitted seat will eliminate that sliding forward business. There needs to be a bucket for you to sit in that supports your butt and your upper thighs, which spreads the weight over a larger area for better long-distance comfort. And the seat should raise up at the front so that your hips stay in position even on hard deceleration. Yes, the GT is a sport-tourer, but we don't need to be hanging off in corners or bent over holding the front axle to hustle this bike along. Trust me, I've embarrassed much sportier, "faster" bikes with a combination of skill and confidence while sitting upright with the iPod blasting . . .

Suburban Machinery does make a set of peg extenders for the GT, as does Verholen. I put the Verholen 40mm (1.5") peg extenders on the day I got the GT. The SM extenders are fixed, but the Verholen extenders are two-piece with a serrated interface which allows a bit of fore-and-aft adjustment if needed. But I found that once they're set you don't really need to move them.

With those and the seat in the high position I actually had slightly more leg room than the LT. But it's much easier to drag the lowered pegs in the corners, so if you're an aggressive rider then you might want to consider that.

Or you could always go with these.
Now that I think about it, you are right Ken. Since I got my seat from Rick, I hardly ever have to squeeze the tank very hard. With the stock seat, I'd just about slide up on the tank without the gripers, especially during hard braking.

It's not that the pegs are too high, as I only have a 30" inseam. It's that they are too far back and make my feet angle downward causing my calf below my knee to ache, especially the left one. I have to straighten my leg out every 50-75 miles. If I could just bring it forward and make it flat, I think I would be more comfortable.

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OR:

You can use a layered composite of different densities and thicknesses of military specification 3M visco elastic foam that molds to your butt bones and vectors forces in all different directions - to create the "bucket" INSIDE the seat.

AND:

a knitted, mesh polyester top cover that was specifically designed to grip you and keep you from sliding forward while allowing a tremendous amount of air to flow underneath your butt.

Isn't modern technology great?
It sounds like you are saying that I should dump my current seat and buy one of yours.
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What type of Rosin would you be referring to????
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Personally I believe it is better to be able to slide around, set your cg to the corner, and move across the bike L to R to balance the action to make things work in a smooth, safe but fast manner.
On the street? Where are you riding that you feel you need to be sliding around?

Seriously, there are very few public roads where you can safely ride at the level where you have to be sliding around that much. That doesn't mean that you can't ride very quickly, but the sliding around just seems excessive, unless you're trying to "drag a knee" at a much slower pace than a particular corner really requires for that action.

But what I really wanna know is, will you show me where? I bet I can keep up with my feet on the pegs, my lower back firmly tucked into my backrest, and my arms smoothly rolling the bike through the corners at speeds that would probably get us both arrested.

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OR:

You can use a layered composite of different densities and thicknesses of military specification 3M visco elastic foam that molds to your butt bones and vectors forces in all different directions - to create the "bucket" INSIDE the seat.

AND:

a knitted, mesh polyester top cover that was specifically designed to grip you and keep you from sliding forward while allowing a tremendous amount of air to flow underneath your butt.

Isn't modern technology great?




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Just wait until your wife does you a "favor" and washes your bike and Armour-alls the seat! talk about sliding around. I had to wear a cup for two weeks until that stuff wore off.


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Yes, and a tremendous amount of water, too.

Yep - right up until it rains.
Nah - you're about a year and a half behind what the current cover fabric is. Our new fabric - Polar Mesh - is completely hydrophobic. I ain't talking rabies here either.

Where Alcantara used to absorb water yet dry quickly, the new material allows water to drain completely through, then run off the waterproof polyethylene barrier below it. Then rain cover is built in.

You sit 4mm above any water - even in a heavy downpour.

Since there are no needle holes or seams in the cover there is no way for water to penetrate into the foam. The barrier is glued onto the seat in one piece.

Problem solved.
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Hardly, just joining in on the conversation and bringing folks up to date on new, engineered solutions to old problems.

I guess you would prefer that Vendors who support this site (and btw, I was the very first one to do so) never comment on their products once in a while.


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I guess you would prefer that Vendors who support this site (and btw, I was the very first one to do so) never comment on their products once in a while.
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OK Ron, I hadn't realized you had addresses the water issue. Good to know.

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On the street? Where are you riding that you feel you need to be sliding around?

Seriously, there are very few public roads where you can safely ride at the level where you have to be sliding around that much. That doesn't mean that you can't ride very quickly, but the sliding around just seems excessive, unless you're trying to "drag a knee" at a much slower pace than a particular corner really requires for that action.

But what I really wanna know is, will you show me where? I bet I can keep up with my feet on the pegs, my lower back firmly tucked into my backrest, and my arms smoothly rolling the bike through the corners at speeds that would probably get us both arrested.

Well true I used to own an LT & didn't move much except when the centerstand started dragging, but as an old track day/sport bike/off-road guy I can't help but move around when in the tight stuff. Old habit that I probably wouldn't need to do I guess. Kind of like remembering not to try and steer with the rear on the pavement and not to use much front brake in the dirt. It may just be ADD & can't hold still for long.

In any event smooth, safe, fast, & upright means it's all good no matter who you are
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Now that I think about it, you are right Ken. Since I got my seat from Rick, I hardly ever have to squeeze the tank very hard. With the stock seat, I'd just about slide up on the tank without the gripers, especially during hard braking.

It's not that the pegs are too high, as I only have a 30" inseam. It's that they are too far back and make my feet angle downward causing my calf below my knee to ache, especially the left one. I have to straighten my leg out every 50-75 miles. If I could just bring it forward and make it flat, I think I would be more comfortable.
Today I rode with the seat in the high position and my knees and legs seemed more comfortable, though I didn't ride but 28 miles. I'll have to try it on a longer trip soon.

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Re: I need a stickier seat

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Well true I used to own an LT & didn't move much except when the centerstand started dragging, but as an old track day/sport bike/off-road guy I can't help but move around when in the tight stuff. Old habit that I probably wouldn't need to do I guess. Kind of like remembering not to try and steer with the rear on the pavement and not to use much front brake in the dirt. It may just be ADD & can't hold still for long.

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There's nothing wrong with moving around on the bike - it's just one more way to control the bike. It might not be necessary in normal circumstances, but keeping that skill honed could come in handy someday. It's probably good for the circulation, too.
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Re: I need a stickier seat

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There's nothing wrong with moving around on the bike - it's just one more way to control the bike. It might not be necessary in normal circumstances, but keeping that skill honed could come in handy someday. It's probably good for the circulation, too.
May be because I still have the stock 07 seat
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