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'Nuther LT to GT Thread

After 11 months and 10,600 I am thinking of going to a GT.

Not so much for the power (yea right) but for what has been my riding habits of late.

I am rarely two up but do enjoy taking women for a ride if they like to. So I keep thinking why am I hauling this 860 pound machine around. I commute every day I can 25 miles each way and can choose slab, city, or a pretty nice river ride which adds miles and smiles.

I do go on a yearly "run" of 2000-3000 miles except this year when we only clocked 1500 on some pretty intense roads, multiple times.

Pretty sure I will max it with all option/packages available.

So I am sure a lot of you are converts from an LT so what are the trade offs?

I should add I ride all year round here in PA.

I know the obvious of new seat (backrest?) and would like a recommendation on that.

The Trunk. Is it not color matched for the large? How tuff to get off? Is there a brake light on them? Aftermarket trunk available?

How adjustable are the bars? And what do they mean by "adjustable"?

Is there any peg modifications/solutions out there? Being lowering or Cruising or whatever?

What was the biggest adjustment from the LT to the GT that was the hardest thing for you to adjust to besides grinning?

Thanks for any input, advice you can give.

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Re: 'Nuther LT to GT Thread

The short answer is that you need to take a test ride and see if the GT will work for you. But bring your checkbook because you will buy one.

Passenger comfort isn't up to the LT. But adding a trunk makes it acceptable, especially if your "friends" haven't ridden on an LT to compare it to.

Saving 200 lbs makes a huge difference, especially in low speed situations. The extra grunt sure doesn't hurt, either. And the GT is a plenty comfortable all-day bike, if you get it set up right for you.

Weather protection isn't quite as good. I added an Aeroflow windshield and their AeroGards which gets the extra wind off my arms. Some guys leave it alone, or add a Cee Bailey, CalSci, or Z-Stream windshield.

I got a custom seat the first day I brought the bike home. I do a lot of miles so it was worth it to me. Some guys are fine with the stock seat, but like with the LT, some just aren't. There are a couple of bolt-on options (Sargent, Corbin) but a proper custom saddle makes will always beat them. I've been happy with Rocky Mayer's work, but Russell also makes good seats, especially for larger riders. Or you could go with Rick Mayer, Rich's, etc. And I know that Bakup makes a driver's backrest, because they used my bike for the pattern.

There is a large 49L and a small 28L trunk available (same parts as for the RT). The 49L trunk comes in any color you like, as long as it's silver. A few guys have have them color-matched with good results. It pops on and off in seconds with the key. There is no power to the trunk so no brake light, but something could be rigged up if you really wanted it. You could also go with a Givi trunk with an adapter plate which will save a few $$, but I don't like the look as much.

The bars have 5 height positions, over a 36mm (1.4") range. Changing them require loosening two torx screws and sliding the bars up or down. Some guys go full up, some full down, some in the middle. And some of us added risers to get 25mm (1") back and add another 25mm (1") height.

There are several peg extenders available (Verholen, Suburban Machinery). Withe the factory seat in the high position and peg extenders, there is more leg room than on an LT, although your feet are further back under you. But aggressive riding will cause the extended pegs to touch down easier.

As for the biggest adjustment from the LT to the GT, that would have to be throttle control. Not that the GT is difficult, but a slight roll-on will have you into triple-digits very rapidly. My radar detector has paid for itself many times over.

Lie I said, you really gotta ride one for yourself.

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Re: 'Nuther LT to GT Thread

Everything Ken said....plus....

One of the biggest adjustments for me was just "retraining" my muscles/body to adapt to the GT rather than the LT. It just takes some time 'cause it is more of a sportbike postion than a tourer. Now, I would take some time to adjust "back" to an LT.


LOVE my GT!!!! I have bar risers, custom seat (a MUST for me), and a CeeBailey on mine and the bar risers and seat made a HUGE difference. The shield helps with wind and rain.

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For minor stuff the bike is a dream to work on. I can have the gas tank off in less than 20 minutes.

Dealer costs for work are way less.



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Re: 'Nuther LT to GT Thread

Lee, I only need three mods on my GT to make it as comfortable as the LT: (taller/wider) windshield, better seat (will be using Ron K Miller) and a trunk (installed an all Black Givi, no reflectors. Almost as large as the big BMW trunk, but much lighter and hundreds less).

But, as the others guys said, a long test ride should give you an exact pic of what you will need.

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I can't comment on switching from an LT to a GT. Meese has said it all, but I will back up what he said about the 49 liter case.

I have a love/hate relationship with the 49 liter case.

Love:
* It is huge. I will hold my helmet and jacket, plus lots of other goodies. When I commute, it holds a large backpack for a 17 inch laptop with room for many additional items. It is the only case that fits the laptop.
* It is easy to attach and remove. Just turn the key and a handle pops out. Lift the handle and the case comes off the rack. The handle is similar to the ones on the side cases. Lower the handle and four latches mate up with the rack for a rock-solid hold.
* It has a great seal. The latch pulls the lid so that the bottom rim is sealed against a recessed rubber gasket.
* Matched to the GT's rack.

Hate:
* The silver color. As soon as I find someone I trust, I will have it painted to match the bike (mine is dark metallic blue). I read somewhere that the silver color is designed to reflect heat. It will get much hotter inside when it is dark metallic blue, but I don't care.
* Balance. Any heavy object that sits up high and to the rear is going to affect the balance of the motorcycle. I look forward to going out for rides with the top case removed. That said, I took the Precision Cornering Workshop with the top case on, since that is how I commute every day.
* Wind cross-section. The 49 liter top case picks up the wind and affects handling, especially when there are high side winds.

Summary:
I highly recommend the BMW 49 liter top case. I couldn't live without it. I use it for my daily commute (with the side cases removed). Despite that, I look forward to the weekends, when I can leave it at home.
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If I could lane split I'd use the top case with the side cases off. As it is, I hate the way it looks, I CAN feel it and you are spot on about the wind.



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Lee, before you spend $800+ LARGE on a BMW branded top case, check out the Givi 45L plain black top case. Nearly as large, lighter (plastic) and MUCH cheaper! With some "flex agent" added, paintable also.

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What was the biggest adjustment from the LT to the GT that was the hardest thing for you to adjust to besides grinning?
I got my GT about a month ago. I agree with what everyone else has said but would like to add the one thing that I had to get used to that I haven't heard mentioned. The steering at low speeds. The GT's steering damper feels way different than the LT's. It's not better or worse...just different.

In fact, I took the LT out today for the first time since I got the GT and had to retrain myself to ride it. Didn't take long...just a couple of blocks around the neighborhood. I love both of these bikes.

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Re: 'Nuther LT to GT Thread

Thank you all.

12000 visit to dealer is coming soon. I will call ahead and get the salesman to have the GT ready. I may even go as far as putting the stock seats back on when I go down. Then I can just hop on the GT and go

I will get a good ride in and make a choice. The biggest thing mentioned was training ones muscles to sit in a new position and how that feels after riding a hour or so.

I know I would need the risers, seat and the peg lowering. Wonder if the LT's Suburbans fit there? I would swap them for the ride and get the bars as far up as I can and maybe throw the sheepskin on it to simulate a better seat.

Never know unless you try.

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The LT's Suburban lowering blocks will not work. Sure wish they would.

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Re: 'Nuther LT to GT Thread

Suburban Machinery does make a set of peg extenders for the GT, as does Verholen. either set will actually give slightly more leg room than the LT, though at the cost of some reduced lean angle.

Or you could always go with these.

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Or you could always go with these.
OK, it's a leetle early and the kkkkkkaffee hasn't kicked in yet, but that just downright stunned me stoopid.



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For all those in the Northwest who don't think a 30 minute test ride on a demo bike is sufficient to make a call on purchasing a GT, BMW of Western Colorado (Eugene, OR and Tigard, OR) now have GTs for rent at a reasonable price. You can rent them by the day or for multiple days to get a feel for the bike. Seems like a cheap option.

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....but that just downright stunned me stoopid.
I was born that way!

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Yeah, we've noticed.

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ok over here then the UK, where gas is currently $12.50 a GALLON! we have the GT1200, having covered 12.000 miles in 8 months may I state the obvious, 1. get the taller screen option, well worth the $100 dollars here, don't know what it is in the states, 2. either buy a creditable seat(Cobin) for your pillion or get an air seat and a sheepskin cover because they will complain after about 100 miles, comfy seat makes all the difference. As for the rider, take two paracetemol or dihidrocodine as after 150 miles you wont be able to walk as there is just not enough room to move about, sheepskin cover helps but 230 miles is about max! However the performance makes up for it. How many of you gt1200 rider have develop a squealing clutch? It seems after 8000 miles a problem is appearing with the clutch, replies please as warranty work looming
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I've got squeeling at 5,300 miles. To be addressed at the 6k service
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My clutch squealing got worse and worse. The entire clutch pack was replaced at 36K miles and the problem went away. At 53K miles, it's coming back . . .

As for comfort, that's a very personal thing. But with a Bill (Rocky) Mayer custom seat, Suburban Machinery bar risers, and Aeroflow windshield and AeroGards, I can ride 1,000-1,500 mile days and be comfortable. Oh, and an 80-Gig iPod helps pass the time, too.

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