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I was on a great adventure when the pavement ran out, as I was performing a u-turn on the narrow road, the bike died. 06 K1200GT 35,000 miles, 10 miles on v.3 airbox/software 10. something which cured the HI/BB, sensitive throttle, and made shifting smoother.

It would fire right back up but every time I let the clutch out I would die!
Again engine would restart no problem, tried to dog paddle the bike backward, it would die. Trying to push the bike forward, it would die.

Parked the GT on the center stand. Fire up the bike, it runs fine. Pull clutch, put it in gear ease it off the centerstand, it dies. Restart on center stand. Bike in neutral, push it off center stand, it dies. Did this several times

Again put bike on center stand, started it, it ran fine, engage first gear, let out clutch, it is still running, can run up through the gears no problem remember it is still on the centerstand. Take it off stand, it dies!

When I say it dies it’s as if you have shut it down with the kill switch (which I never use) or when you leave the side stand down (which I rarely use).

No EWS warning, no warning triangle (after computer runs through its self test). Now occasionally the low beam would not come back on after restarting but would if the key was reset to off first!

After several restarts and attempts to move the bike the Can-Bus or some Voodoo witch would shut everything down for several seconds! Also after several restarts the heated grips would come on by themselves!

Wiggled all visible wires and connectors! No Joy!
Tried a battery disconnect. Might as well it works for everything else, tps, projectile vomiting, and lumbago. No Joy!


Pulled out my trusty pocket knife, no self respecting cowboy leaves home without one, you never know when you might want to eat your horse! Out of desperation and for what the heck, I cut the wires to the side stand switch. Oops, three wires not two like all my other bikes! Figuring it might be a side stand switch, I was going to attempt a work-around. Brown wire, white wire, and red wire. What’s that five different combinations? Again, no JOY, however FWIW connecting the brown and white takes the side stand out of the equation.

Looking back, the bike did die while rolling up to a stop light a mile after I left home. And in the last month has died twice in parking lots after a hot start, didn’t think much about those incidences at the time. I do now!



Time to give up and become a pedestrian or a hitch-hiker. Three cars an hour, not a heavily traveled road, but they all gave me something to drink. Thanks kind folks of the Kansas Flint Hills.

Pull out cell phone, to call wife. No bars! But pointing it toward the northeast while standing in the middle on the road on my tippy toes I was able to call home. Had the wife come get me. Kind of reminded me of the TV ad where the wife rescues her husband on the side of the road “So you had to buy a motorcycle!”
Only an hour from home and with poor cell service, and a holiday, I didn’t even consider BMW Roadside. Note this only my second “ had to be trailered home” brake down in 700,000 miles of riding. The other was a Norton!

I had a standing appointment with Engles Motors to have my 36,000 mike inspection on 10 July. I called them, they say it is a broken wire, “start it up and turn the bars, does it die”, yeeeees! “Broken wire somewhere” makes sense too me but why are my grips on? “We will put in the computer”.

And BTW since I could not find any problems like this anywhere on the internet I am naming this problem; from here on to be known as the BROKEN WIRE SYNDROME. I will be cross posting this thread.
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post #2 of 14 Old Jul 5th, 2008, 5:43 pm Thread Starter
 
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Here are some pictures of the wiring that is giving me trouble. Everything shuts down when handle bars are cranked full lock to the right. If I push down on the wiring harness where it is attached to the frame everything powers back up!
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Re: New drivability problem, the BROKEN WIRE SYDROME

Sounds much like what mine did except I was 6 miles from home and did use BMW Roadside. The hot wire off the ignition broke. The dealer said it was so clean they thought it had been cut, but I find that unlikely. Haven't had an issue since it was repaired. Hope your fix is a simple one.

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Sounds like you need to join Nascar (they only turn left ).

Get it into your dealer and let them change out the affected wiring harness.

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It would fire right back up but every time I let the clutch out I would die!
Looking back, the bike did die while rolling up to a stop light a mile after I left home. And in the last month has died twice in parking lots after a hot start, didn’t think much about those incidences at the time. I do now!
Not a new issue - used to happen a lot through the 90's where the factory were over zealous with their cable ties, mostly destroying the wiring behind the ignition key.

Mostly it was turn left and the engine died.

I thought they had got over their over tightening. I was a victim on an R11RT and on my K12LT, I lost the speedo sensor to over tightened cable ties from the factory - with such neatness it looked like a "vandal" cut

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Sounds like you need to join Nascar (they only turn left ).

Get it into your dealer and let them change out the affected wiring harness.
That won't work Ken, bars right **** bike turns left, remember countersteering!

It will be at the dealer this Thursday, I already had my 36K inspection scheduled. I have even talked to the tech about it. Just another squawk to add to the list before the warranty expires. The clutch is starting to sound like it came from a Ducati!
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The bars don't actually turn much at all when initiating a lean by countersteering. You're just nudging the wheel out the tiniest bit to get the weight shifted over into the direction of the turn, then the front wheel (and the bars) follow through the turn in the direction that you're heading.

Mine's going in Wednesday for a 48K, plus a few other things. Hopefully yours will come back good as new.

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The bars don't actually turn much at all when initiating a lean by countersteering.
That was enough on my R11RT to kill the engine - not a lot off centre and it would die.

I was on my way to the dealer, got 100yds from them and it died for good.

good thing it was only 100yds
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Mine's going in Wednesday for a 48K, plus a few other things. Hopefully yours will come back good as new.

Valve clearances OK so far?
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The bars don't actually turn much at all when initiating a lean by countersteering. You're just nudging the wheel out the tiniest bit to get the weight shifted over into the direction of the turn, then the front wheel (and the bars) follow through the turn in the direction that you're heading.

Mine's going in Wednesday for a 48K, plus a few other things. Hopefully yours will come back good as new.
I know, I am just giving you a hard time! And like Niall just said, it doesn't take much!
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Thanks for the info, guys. Never heard of over tight cable ties cutting wiring, before. I learn something new everyday here!

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Valve clearances OK so far?
They were at 24K, no changes needed. I'll let you know again later this week.

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yep I concur, after 8 months ownership I have had to resort to recovery 3 times., 1. after 2 days ownership bike stops because tire pressures are low, stop at garage to inflate tires and inflation valve breaks. 2. after 4,000 miles brake warning light says brakes are F***ked, no brakes are fine, wires are f**ked trailerd to dealers again , 3 9,000 miles side stand cut out fu*ked can't put bike into gear because cuts out, trailerd to dealer, now up to 12.000 miles and clutch is squealing like pig, back to dealers! But bike is great when performing!
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They were at 24K, no changes needed. I'll let you know again later this week.
As a follow-up, all valves were in spec at 52K miles as well. The mechanic said a couple of exhaust valves were on the lower end so they will probably need to be adjusted at the next check.

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