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post #1 of 22 Old Aug 27th, 2007, 9:39 pm Thread Starter
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"Clunk" sound did not impress me!

I don't own a k1200Gt...yet! I'm waiting for a few things to fall into place and then I'm going to become an owner!! yaaaa hoooo!

At least I was excited until today. While driving in town I saw, what appeared to me, newer k1200GT, I'd guess a 2007. I slowed down and rolled down my window to let the guy catch up with me.

He had to slow down and stop a car of two behind me and in the lane to my left. When the light turned green I heard him start out and when he shifted into 2nd, a LOUD "CLUNK" sound happened. I thought, "wow - what was that?" Next stop light he was next to me and when he took off again, another LOUD clunk! I mean its LOUD!

I thought in the back of my mind I read someplace about that noise. If I recall the article or post, whatever it was, said it was nothing to worry about. Well, for me, it was loud enough to make me start to re-think my decision on getting a new GT. It was embarrassing loud IMHO.

Did I read or hear right that that clunk is jjust the way it is and there's nothing that can be done about it?
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The throw between 1st and 2nd tends to be the longest so most motorcycle transmissions have a more noticeable clunk there. Harleys are the worst, BMWs come in second from what I know. If you want to hear a really clunky tranny come take my 95 GS for a ride.

All that being said, I don't see how you get from "...then I'm going to become an owner!! yaaaa hoooo!"; to; "...it was loud enough to make me start to re-think my decision on getting a new GT" in 2 short paragraphs. If that's all it would take to turn you off the GT, I don't think you're as sold on the bike as you would have us believe. For me, bikes are about passion. Yes I want a reliable machine, but if something speaks to me and it fills that empty spot in my motorcycling soul, I'm going to get it. All bikes have issues, idiosyncrasies, and some downright problems. But I tend to take those with a grain of salt and accept them as part of the passion decision, as long as enough of the rational, utility and reliability parts are being filled (which is why I quit riding Harleys years ago, BTW).

So, do you like the GT? Does it speak to that part of you where you get all happy when you think about going for a ride? If so, buy it. If not, you should keep searching for your passion.

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Question Technique

I have found this bike to be the most difficult to shift without the resulting clunk you refer to. I have learned to avoid it thru proper technique, or at least a method that works for me most of the time. Shifting quicking thru the range, at lower rpms provide least effort and associated clunk as you refer to. Firm, upward pressure on shifter, while quickly disengaging / re-engaging throttle, works for me. But I still have problems with it, when I become distracted.

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I highly recommend that you rethink buying a new GT. Kawasaki makes a much smoother/quieter tranny. Go buy a new Concours 14.
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I'm with Jim, shifted right, tis not loud.



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I'm with Joe, the clunking may keep you awake at night.
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I have found that shifting over 4k rpm minimum has reduced noise substantially, along with a fast shift before revs drop.

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All that being said, I don't see how you get from "...then I'm going to become an owner!! yaaaa hoooo!"; to; "...it was loud enough to make me start to re-think my decision on getting a new GT" in 2 short paragraphs. If that's all it would take to turn you off the GT, I don't think you're as sold on the bike as you would have us believe. For me, bikes are about passion...........

So, do you like the GT? Does it speak to that part of you where you get all happy when you think about going for a ride? If so, buy it. If not, you should keep searching for your passion.
HUH???? Would it be easier for you to understand if I put a few thousand words down to describe my feelings rather than a condensed 2 paragraphs?

Everything I've seen and heard about the GT have made me think "classy, powerful, sexy". That's what I want. When a bike shifts and it sounds like a hammer hitting something metal with a LOUD clank, thats not any of those 3 things.

I see from responses it can be handled with practice. For me, I'm not sure thats enough. Thinking about it yesterday, the rider did handle the bike in a way that made me think "new rider".

So is this a fixable problem that BMW is addressing, or is it something that owners are stuck dealing with?

thanks for your responses!
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Hi Barry,
I don't know what your previous bikes have been and what transmission shifts should sound like for you. Chances are if you heard a clunk, you heard someone that hasn't learned to shift his GT yet. The GT is my 3rd BMW and none have been silent shifters. It takes a bit of finesse to learn to shift a GT and most BMW's in general. I can make a near silent shift at very low rpm, but the bike is best at high, (greater than 7K), shifts. All beemers seem to love that high rpm thing. My GT makes a very positive sound when the shift is made and I love hearing it. Oh, by the time anybody hears my shift, they are getting very small in the mirrors.

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HUH???? Would it be easier for you to understand if I put a few thousand words down to describe my feelings rather than a condensed 2 paragraphs?

Everything I've seen and heard about the GT have made me think "classy, powerful, sexy". That's what I want. When a bike shifts and it sounds like a hammer hitting something metal with a LOUD clank, thats not any of those 3 things.

I see from responses it can be handled with practice. For me, I'm not sure thats enough. Thinking about it yesterday, the rider did handle the bike in a way that made me think "new rider".

So is this a fixable problem that BMW is addressing, or is it something that owners are stuck dealing with?

thanks for your responses!
I don't really care how many words you use. My comment on the polar opposites you were expressing was just that, a comment. I think I understand quite well where you are conflicted, but if I don't, well, that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, either. You posted asking for opinions, you got mine.

Based on past experiences with BMW and actual failures, BMW won't be fixing it. So if you buy the GT that comes with the package. As you noted from the other responses, not everyone is experiencing this and is apparently easy to avoid with riding/shifting technique adjustments (not uncommon for BMWs in general). If that still doesn't fit in the "classy, powerful, sexy" equation you're using as a measure, well, you know better than me what choices you have. Good luck on your bike purchase, may you find the one that suits you the best.

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Thanks everyone for your responses. Even you DavidTaylor! LOL.

A "normal" clunk sound I can live with, I know some noise can sometimes be expected.... I'm probably not describing it correctly, but it was so loud and banging that it probably can be more attributed to the riders shifting ability. I really dont think most people would put up with it if it was normal.

Okay... this topic is officially dead!!

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No it isn't dead...'cause I just resurrected it!

My new GT is definately "clunky" when I shift....way clunky. It is going to take some time to get used to shifting it properly to reduce it as much as possible.

Riding yesterday (with a half-helmet) I could hear several things I didn't like and I had to wonder that if a lot of other bikes didn't have such LOUD exhaust systems...I think we'd hear more engine/transmission sounds than we do on those bikes. My GT's exhaust note is quiet, so I tend to hear more mechanical noises.

But, I must say that riding this bike is absolutely beyond description for me. I LOVE it! The power and torque are incredible. It will just pull and accelerate in ANY gear, even at low rpm's. And buddy, from 6-11k rpm--you better be hanging on real tight!

With less weight and increased power I gear down MUCH less than with my LT...much less. It does clunk, and that bites...but honestly, there are SO many other "Pros" to owning this bike that it doesn't matter to me. There is also quite a bit of driveline lash...but again...it is FAR outweighed by the positives! Don't give up on the GT. Go ride one!

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When I test rode the GT, I found it to be a hard bike to make a smooth and quiet shift, however it is not near as loud as the tranny on my 06 H-D. With that said, I didnt find it out of the ordinary for a motorcycle transmission. Most bikes, especially sport bikes make a snappy shifting sound.
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Thanks everyone for your responses. Even you DavidTaylor! LOL.
Oh that Dave! Always causing trouble!
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When I test rode the GT, I found it to be a hard bike to make a smooth and quiet shift, however it is not near as loud as the tranny on my 06 H-D. With that said, I didnt find it out of the ordinary for a motorcycle transmission. Most bikes, especially sport bikes make a snappy shifting sound.
Spin it up to about 9 grand before shifting and it's smooth like butter.

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Oh that Dave! Always causing trouble!
Hey, I learned from the best!

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Just a matter of Technique.

[QUOTE=cman1956]HUH???? Would it be easier for you to understand if I put a few thousand words down to describe my feelings rather than a condensed 2 paragraphs?
Everything I've seen and heard about the GT have made me think "classy, powerful, sexy". That's what I want. When a bike shifts and it sounds like a hammer hitting something metal with a LOUD clank, thats not any of those 3 things.

I have an '06 GT bought new June last year. Have owned 25+/- bikes in the last 40+ years and each was different and took a while to get used to the idiosyncrasies of the particular model. The GT is no different. My last few bimmers have all had "clunky" trans. But only for the first 5-10k miles. I have found, over the long haul, their trans to be pretty reliable. I now have 12k on J-Low and she is shifting much smoother now. I have also altered shifting technique to this particular model. Preload and very slight clutch= no clunk. When getting a move-on, clutchless shifts are perrfect. Also, shifting in the upper ranges are equally silent. My '05 ST1300 trans was perfect right out of the box. I prefer the GT.
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Some day I want to take a test ride on one of these babies.
I will just have to remove my hearing aid with this new info.

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No it isn't dead...'cause I just resurrected it! ....
Well it's a double resurrection then. Anywho I do not like the sound of the GT's tranny at low speeds or stopped, either. BUT, bring those RPM's up, and she starts signing like a fine opera performer. Amazing!

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post #22 of 22 Old Sep 11th, 2007, 10:14 pm
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Shift noise

Just bought my GT 2 weeks ago and have noted many things over the past 600 miles. The shift noise between neutral and first was a bit surprising for me at first(assumed it would be quieter) but it is downright mellow compared to the Harley I just traded. It doesn't bother me at all. I've found that the bike shifts smoothly and quietly once you get used to it. If this is a quirk of owning this bike, I'm fine with it. The bike is everything it was advertised as being - sleek, powerful, and thrilling to ride. That's what makes bikes and riders unique though - we all experience the ride differently.



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