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From the BMW website, they post the following specs:

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Weight, unladen, with full tank - - - 622 lbs

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Weight, unladen, with full tank - - - 571 lbs (w/o cases)

Umm...does this mean that they are weighing the GT with the cases installed, and the RT without them installed?!? It sure seems that way to me. And if I'm correct, that sure does narrow the margin of weight difference between these two bikes, now doesn't it?
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And how much do the cases weigh?

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I'll weigh them tonight. There's definitely some weight there.
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Fifty pounds?
No. But they did weigh in at about 25 pounds! That half the difference between the GT and RT's weight.
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Wow. Those extra two pistons are heavier than I thought.

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Wow. Those extra two pistons are heavier than I thought.
It's not the pistons . . . it's the PONIES!!!
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Re: GT vs. RT weight specs . . . interesting

I had considered the RT but with this information the GT is looking pretty good!
What is the Hp and torque differences?
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What is the Hp and torque differences?
Don't know. But I can tell you from first-hand experience that the 1200 Boxer motor can't even come close to keeping up with the GT's slant-4 1200. Or, perhaps I should qualify that statement by adding, the 1200 Boxer that's in the RT and GS can't keep up with the GT.
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Re: GT vs. RT weight specs . . . interesting

While I am a fan of the Boxer motor I must admit my preference is the 4cyl. I just sold my R1100RT and picked up the K1200LT. I love the smoothness, power and sound WAY better! And my K12 gets better mpg than the R11. It's a no brainer for me!

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I do hear good things about the new 800 but not rode one yet.

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What is the Hp and torque differences?
Horsepower:
K1200GT - 152 bhp at 9500 rpm
R1200RT - 110 bhp at 7500 rpm

Torque:
K1200GT - 96 lb/ft at 7750 rpm
R1200RT - 85 lb/ft at 6000 rpm

You pay an extra $43 per horse for the GT at the suggested retail prices ($18,620 vs $16,800).

(See: http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/bikes/...200rt&x=52&y=8)
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You pay an extra $43 per horse for the GT at the suggested retail prices ($18,620 vs $16,800).
Yeah, but it's so worth it.

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It's not that the 2 extra pistons are heavier, it's the 2 holes for the bigger pistons on the Boxer engine make the engine lighter




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As far as the weight factor, there is no question that you can feel the GT's weight when hustling through the twists. There is no "flicking" of the GT. But GT stands for Grand Tourer and the heft really keeps it planted during high-speed travel with very good manueverability in the canyons.

Just need to be a bit more diligent making inputs with the GT than you have to with the RT when in the turns.

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Unhappy weight specs? those weights aren't even close!!!

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From the BMW website, they post the following specs:

K1200GT
Weight, unladen, with full tank - - - 622 lbs

R1200RT
Weight, unladen, with full tank - - - 571 lbs (w/o cases)

Umm...does this mean that they are weighing the GT with the cases installed, and the RT without them installed?!? It sure seems that way to me. And if I'm correct, that sure does narrow the margin of weight difference between these two bikes, now doesn't it?
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I don't know what kind of guessing machine (scales) that BMW uses because the actual weight of an 06 K1200GT (servo brakes) with bags is 663 lb. The bags weigh a total of 26 pounds. I only mount mine if needed. I removed my tail rack because I don't use it and I think it looks ugly. Minus another 5 pounds. FYI 6.3 gallons US of gas weighs 39 pounds.

Any way you do the math you can't get a Next Gen GT to weigh 622 pounds with bags and fuel. I can get my GT down to 632 unladen, no bags, and with a full tank.

As my fifth grade math teacher said "figures lie and liars figure".

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I think the important thing is that I got the specs from the same source (BMW). So all things being relative, the weight specs of the RT and the GT are simply not that far apart as previously reported, according to BMW's figures.
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How much do they weigh without the final drive fluid

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Wow. Those extra two pistons are heavier than I thought.
Hmm...I wonder if it could be the radiator, hoses, pump, and over a gallon of fluid that makes up the difference?

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Hmm...I wonder if it could be the radiator, hoses, pump, and over a gallon of fluid that makes up the difference?
David. Let's not start adding facts into the argument!
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David. Let's not start adding facts into the argument!
Sorry, didn't mean to get all objective and logical on you guys.
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From the actual weights I have seen posted in most of the mags when the actually weigh the bikes suggests that there is about a 40-50 lb actual difference between the heavier GT and the RT when both are full of fluids and depending on options and equipment.

Also according to most of the dyno readouts for the bikes I have seen in person as well as in magazines they actually dyno about 125-7 for most GT's and about 100 or so for most RT's , so as far as PEAK hp goes about a 25+ hp difference. Remember though that the RT makes its power lower in the rev range across the board compared to the RT.

What does all this mean from numbers and from riding? GT is definitely faster especially when really running hard or at higher speeds. Its also a smoother feeling engine. RT boxer has more vibes and more character. RT handles better in the tight stuff and is generally felt by most to offer a bit more comfy riding position (not quite as "sporting"). RT offers an audio system and is more traditional in its personality and feel while still being supremely capable as either a tourer or sport tourer.

The GT on the other hand is the bullet train...... very fast smooth comfy stable.

All depends on what you want.......both are superb

Of course you then come to super comfort for two up with amenities galore, and still respectable power and handling , the LT
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Remember though that the RT makes its power lower in the rev range across the board compared to the RT (sic).
I would like to see the top gear roll-on numbers. My 06 GT has plenty of torque down low. Pulls like Jack the Bear from below 3000 clean up to redline.

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I’m still shopping…and now I’m even looking at VStroms. I’d have to say that I didn’t think that 40-50 lbs would make much of a difference. But when you really don’t give a damn of what you are riding (you just want to ride…no matter the type or brand) and you get off one and onto the other, the weight differences seems so much more than 40-50 lbs.

The GT feels a “Lot” heavier by a substantial amount. I can only assume that most of the weight difference (40lbs seeming like 100lbs) is probable weight placement. As much as I like the GT, the RT feels better balanced. It was a very tossable, relaxing, free wheeling fun ride. The ride was so relaxing I started seeing the scenery around me and I started daydreaming of far away places to ride to.

On the GT, the weight and almost instant-on power required me to constantly focus my efforts on all my skills. Every time I went into a turn or prepared for a stop, weight management was always in the back of my mind. The positive side was the exhilarating power and speed. I’d have to be honest and say I admire those who have conquered the GT. It’s would take quite a bit of effort on my part before I could. Perhaps if I start on a different bike and move up….?

The power of the GT is like a drug. I wonder if owners eventually calm down and stop racing their GTs down the freeway and just drive it sensibly. Cause I couldn’t.

I'm getting too old for this. I'm gonna buy a scooter.

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The power of the GT is like a drug. I wonder if owners eventually calm down and stop racing their GTs down the freeway and just drive it sensibly. Cause I couldn’t.

I'm getting too old for this. I'm gonna buy a scooter.
I can't say as I agree with everything you posted ... but I do like your attitude. I can tell you that there are times when I actually ride my GT like a civilized human-being. Probable when the little lady is on the back. But there are those other times when . . . . .
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It is amazing how many posts on the different BMW web sites try to compare the GT2 to the latest RT. Besides the GT's obvious power advantage, handling is always mentioned as another big difference.

Almost everybody says the RT is more nimble than the GT because it is lighter in weight.

That is partially true, but consdering the fact of how most of the weight is distributed at or below the centerline of the bikes, the effective weight difference ( the amount that you can feel) is probably about half of the total weight difference.

The real difference in the way the two bikes handle is due to their wheelbase lengths and the steering head/drive train geometry.

The GT has the longer wheelbase, and the steering geomety is designed more for stability than quickness. Based on BMW's own published design specifications criteria, the GT was designed for more high speed stability at the expense of some "flickability".

If you look at all of the Jap/European high performance liter bikes, you will notice that they all have gone to shorter frames and more compact engine/ trans designs, which contributes to what they call "mass centralization". They also have incorporated steering geometry that is very quick, but at the same time loses some high speed stability. That's why most of these bikes now include steering dampers as standard.

The GT's engine was designed to keep the mass low in the frame, but at the same time required a longer wheelbase. More or less, exactly the opposite of the way most pure sport bikes are designed these days.

When you consider the new GT's overall capabilities of speed, comfort, 2 up potential, luggage capacity, technology,and relatively light weight, it is one "hell of a motorcycle". Name another bike that even comes close.
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When you consider the new GT's overall capabilities of speed, comfort, 2 up potential, luggage capacity, technology,and relatively light weight, it is one "hell of a motorcycle". Name another bike that even comes close.
Amen and well put!

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Name another bike that even comes close.
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Well . . . YOU asked!

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Based on BMW's own published design specifications criteria, the GT was designed for more high speed stability at the expense of some "flickability".
So the next time someone claims the GT isn't flickable enough, I'm just gonna tell them they're obviously not riding it fast enough.

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