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Have just put a valentine on the 2006gt. Having a problem. When I turn ignition on it works fine. But when bike is started it lights up and keeps going crazy. All lights and beeps. I have tried directly off battery and it does same thing. There is a Garmin/xm also installed but they work fine. Any help or direction would be appreciated. Have had a lot of bikes but none with such new electronics. Am enjoying this site immensely. Thanks in advance
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My friend Tom (tmgs) told me that whenever I get near his LT with my new GT, his radar detector goes nuts! We tested it parked next to each other, and sure enough. IIRC, I think it was the X-Band that was freaking out.

Now the big question is, what can be done about it?
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My friend Tom (tmgs) told me that whenever I get near his LT with my new GT, his radar detector goes nuts! We tested it parked next to each other, and sure enough. IIRC, I think it was the X-Band that was freaking out.

Now the big question is, what can be done about it?
That is strange
i am sure the brain on the gt is shielded and the electronics
i wonder if the noise is coming from the alternator ...
it probably is cranking out some big amps ( how many Joe?)
and typical shielding , grounding and filters may help???

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The alternator puts out more on the GT than the LT. 945 vs. 840 watts
Hhmmn...not enough shielding perhaps?

Anyone?!
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emf pen

hey joe
do you have an emf pen
the little pen that lights up when it is near AC

fire up ur gt and see if she lights up (as you walk around the motor / bike)
that will answer the sheilding question

also a portable AM radio hold it close to the bike ( on of course) while running
and see if it spazzes out

if it is sheilding then the mfg (Valentine ) is responsible
for adaquit sheilding for their product
a call or email to their tech support may offer a solution

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Exclamation Solved?

Tried the AM radio test. Turn a little AM radio on near the GT. When the GT is running, I hear terrible CLICKING . . . like a freakin' Geigor counter! It stop when I shut the bike off. Me thinks it's the alternator boys and girls.
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Shielding

Wetriders Garmin/xm are not giving him a problem
I assume (Joe) your Garmin is working without a problem
adequate shielding for the garmin and the XM

Joe any noise on your phone do you have it connected to the GT yet ?

I would surmise from my remote location that the alternator is electrically noisy hence the "ticking"

Wetrider could you do the AM radio test ? maybe with the same results

The problem is not BMW's but the individual mfg.

Some shielding (this would detract from the sensitivity of the Valentine) may help. The Valentine is looking for externial signals and the alternator may be overloading the front end of the reciever..

If there is an ac component on the dc power on the bike.
a scope would show us this.

The fastest solution to this problem may be a different Mfg of radar detectors

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I had the same problem, my Valentine would light up ka band rear,
it turned out to be caused by my XM radio antenna,
here's what happened:
I bought the XM (Roady2) it came with about 20" of antenna wire,
I didn't like that so I purchased another antenna with a 4' wire,
it just so happened that my Valentine arrived the same day,
I wired it up and put the new antenna on at the same time,
drove me crazy for a couple of days until I put the original XM antenna back on,
problem disappeared and has not re-occured since.


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I have tons of ignition noise, alternator noise is more of a whining sound that will change pitch with RPM.

Running a V1 on mine, with no problems at all and it's sitting right next to my 2820 and GXM sat reciever.

Which version V1 do you have? You might want to call them. I had mine upgraded last year to the latest that supports PoP mode, maybe that's it

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Wink Valentine Problem 06gt

Tried my friends Escort. No problem with any noise . Philspace said he upgraded to pop mode on his Valentine. When I called Valentine they said that I could try the Airport upgrade . Was wondering if that is the same upgrade? Also mine is 5 years old. Would like to thank all for there time and imput.http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/newreply...ote=1&p=98461#
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Have just put a valentine on the 2006gt. Having a problem. When I turn ignition on it works fine. But when bike is started it lights up and keeps going crazy. All lights and beeps. I have tried directly off battery and it does same thing. There is a Garmin/xm also installed but they work fine. Any help or direction would be appreciated. Have had a lot of bikes but none with such new electronics. Am enjoying this site immensely. Thanks in advance

I just installed my valentine on my 06 GT, Works fine. I wired it into the accessory plug. I also have a Garmin street pilot lll installed.
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The alternator puts out more on the GT than the LT. 945 vs. 840 watts
Hhmmn...not enough shielding perhaps?

Anyone?!
My Valentine falsed on the X band a lot. I called valentine. I was told to turn off my cel phone, as everytime it polled the tower, it set off the Valentine. Try it, turn off the cel phone and see if it helps.

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Neither my Escort 8500K50 (in tank bag), nor my Valentine One (mounted on Big Mak mount on dash) have any unusual falsing problems. I do have some interference in my UHF ham radio, but it is periodic, not continuous, so it's not ignition noise, nor is it likely alternator noise. Moving to VHF solved that problem for now.

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Tried my friends Escort. No problem with any noise . Philspace said he upgraded to pop mode on his Valentine. When I called Valentine they said that I could try the Airport upgrade . Was wondering if that is the same upgrade? Also mine is 5 years old. Would like to thank all for there time and imput.http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/newreply...ote=1&p=98461#
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Hmmmm Airport upgrade. Wonder WTF that is?

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I just installed my V1 last week and I have the same problem. False alerts all the time especially when the RPM's are up. I have it mounted on a legal speed handlebar mount in their box. She is wired to the plug just foward of the battery. I have nothing else installed except a garmin 276c. I would be in the middle of a national forest and it would show 5 bogeys after me. It has even gone off when stopped and the engine off. The v1 works fine in my car. My V1 was upgraded to the latest about 9 months ago. Has anyone used a filter with any luck?

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Apologize for the dumb question...

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I had the same problem, my Valentine would light up ka band rear,
it turned out to be caused by my XM radio antenna,
here's what happened:
I bought the XM (Roady2) it came with about 20" of antenna wire,
I didn't like that so I purchased another antenna with a 4' wire,
it just so happened that my Valentine arrived the same day,
I wired it up and put the new antenna on at the same time,
drove me crazy for a couple of days until I put the original XM antenna back on,
problem disappeared and has not re-occured since.
What's a "Valentine"?

How do you like the reception and general work-ability of the Roady2?
Thanks.... Rainman
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Lightbulb False K & Ka readings

My Valentine works great on the LT around town. Just went 600 miles to the Los Angeles area in the car and had a lot of K & Ka false readings. There is not much radar use on I-15, so I am trying to figure it out.... Just gave the unit to a friend to road trip with to see if he has the same issues before calling Valentine..

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What's a "Valentine"?
The Valentine V1 is arguably the best radar detector available. I don't ride anywhere without mine.

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That sounds like a "Don't leave home without it" commercial.

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That sounds like a "Don't leave home without it" commercial.
Sure wish I would have had it in my wife's car when I was passing 5 vehicles downhill only to see a LEO at the bottom.

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I just received one for xma. Manual states that if you put mode in advanced logic it will not report X bogeys.

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I just got one for Xmas...I want to ability to disconnect from bike and use in auto also. I have the 2002 LTE and I by searching searching the website that there are connections for radar under left handle bar plastic that integrates into 2002 LTE com system. It is suggested to send your valentine to J&M to get a compatible wiring done for com system. Questions?

1) Is there any advantage in sending or buying the remote audio adapter and having compatible wiring to this accessory, instead of the main unit?
2) Will J&M wiring cancel the company warranty due to modification?
3) Like the GPS I would like to flip the Radar back and forth to auto and bike. If I send unit to J&M for wiring do I still have ability to use in Auto. Can I still use the lighter adapter. Do not know how it is wired by J&M?
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I just got one for Xmas...I want to ability to disconnect from bike and use in auto also. I have the 2002 LTE and I by searching searching the website that there are connections for radar under left handle bar plastic that integrates into 2002 LTE com system. It is suggested to send your valentine to J&M to get a compatible wiring done for com system. Questions?

1) Is there any advantage in sending or buying the remote audio adapter and having compatible wiring to this accessory, instead of the main unit?
2) Will J&M wiring cancel the company warranty due to modification?
3) Like the GPS I would like to flip the Radar back and forth to auto and bike. If I send unit to J&M for wiring do I still have ability to use in Auto. Can I still use the lighter adapter. Do not know how it is wired by J&M?
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1. I can't imagine why anyone would want to wire it any way OTHER than to use the Valentine audio adapter made for the purpose. Run the 12V power from somewhere on the bike to the Valentine direct wire 12V power adapter, then to the audio adapter. Both alert audio and 12V power run from the audio adapter to the main radar detector in a single cable. Audio then connects to the audio adapter, and when you want to use the Valentine in your cage, just unplug the main unit, and leave everything else on the bike. One simple cable to unplug. In the cage you can use the cigarette adapter and the windshield mount.
2. I'm not sure what you have in mind, but I would NOT allow anyone to open the Valentine detector. You have invested in a device that should last a LONG time, due to it being upgradeable. Once modified, I suspect that you'd be on your own. More to the point, its not necessary.
3. See explanation #1

You need:
- Valentine One detector - check
- Valentine audio interface - ?
- Valentine direct wire power adapter - Check (it's included with the detector)
- An audio cable to connect the audio interface with your audio amplifier. The audio interface has both a 3/32" and 1/8" jacks. I like to use a cable with a ground loop isolator in it, just in case that might get to be a problem. That might be what you are referring to getting from J&M. They won't need your detector or your bike to do that.
- An audio amplifier. I'm guessing from what you indicated that you are planning on using the built in amp from the LT. Make sure the cable goes from mono (the detector) to stereo (your amp) to get alerts in both channels, and you should be good to go.

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Reuben thanks for the reply.

My 2002 LTE has a J&M built integrated priority com system. It has a designated three prong connection that will specifically designed for radar . This priority system will allow you to hear in helmut speakers. When radar goes off it will take priority over all other active devices such as Radio,CD,CB,Casette,GPS,Cell Phone, and other aux devices.

Can J&M make a compatible cable that would fit into the Valentine Audio interface. Those three prong connections coming from J&M harness located under left steering wheel plastic for com system include power to valentine and audio. I do not want to loose the com system capabilities and would rather not have them add the pig tail directly to the Valentine detector.

I guess I need to call J&M. If some one already posed this question please advise.

Thanks again for your time in this matter. I am closing in on a decision.

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