Originally Posted by SturgisNative
The TwinCam 96 is NOT the "Revolution" motor.
The Revolution motor is what powers the V-Rod. It is a liquid-cooled motor that needs RPM to perform. It will NOT see the light of day in a Big Twin chassis. Why? No low-rpm, "lump-lump" torque, and the Big Twin line lives and dies by torque.
That being said, I rode an '07 Ultra today with the TwinCam 96 and the 6-speed. Compared to my '05 Ultra with the stone stock TwinCam 88 and 5-speed, it does seem to have more power. This could be due to the new gear ratios keeping the motor in it's powerband. The 6th gear is being sold as an overdrive - not another forward gear. At 80mph, 6th turns about 2800 RPM, and pulls as well as my 5th gear does at 70 (about the same RPM).
They are improvements, no doubt. But I agree that HD kinda "sprung" it on people, and all of a sudden, my TwinCam 88 just became *way* less desirable for the sales market. Sigh.
I rode the Buell Ulysses as well, an XB12 "Lightning Long", and the XB12R "Firebolt". The first two were fun; the Firebolt was more uncomfortable than a YZF-R1. They *all* put out a pile of heat on your right foot - more than an FJR1300 - enough that I was holding my foot in the wind on the straights to keep it cool!
The moral of my story: Today my '05 Ultra is up for sale (the Sturgis Rally starts tomorrow!!), as I have decided that I *must* have a K1200GT. That, or an R1200RT.
You are correct; HD does indeed refer to the VRod engine as the 'Revolution' motor; thanks to Porsche.
"Revolutionary" was what my sales mananger at my old dealership called it. A visit to the HD home page will reveal that HD does NOT consider the engine an 'improvement'; identifying it (and I quote), as "a completely new engine".
Check the specs on the HD page, and compare the torque to the values reported for the 06 Ultra in any publication you trust; that goes for HP as well. The 07 seemes to have more power because it does.
"But I agree that HD kinda "sprung" it on people, and all of a sudden, my TwinCam 88 just became *way* less desirable for the sales market. Sigh. "
Exactly the point of my post. Not one month before the intro of the 96 mated to the 6 speed, my dealer, where I had purchased 3 bikes previously plus $1,000s in apparel was pushing me to buy an 06 Ultra "before it's too late and there are none left". Bet there's a lot available now. You and thousands of others now have your bike on the block, potentially flooding the market with more used HDs that during the Anniversary model craze.
Bottom line for me: we BMW owners like to complain a lot about BMW's treatment of us and some of our problems; but, in MHO, they never pulled anything like this on us. Check out the HD home page. They are NOT touting this as an evolutionary improvement. They are presenting the 07s as the new HD - rendering what came before as old and undesireable. And, there was NO warning - as you admit.
Finally (really - excuse the rant), I agree completely with Rock's comments. But being willing to eat the dung doesn't excuse those happily feeding it to you.