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post #1 of 17 Old Jan 17th, 2015, 7:40 pm Thread Starter
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Recall on Switch Gear

I just had the switch gear ordered for both sides of my 2009 GT. Not sure just what prompted the recall but BMW is replacing both sides on 2009 and up. I am happy as mine were seriously faded. Did not get the number off the recall but had seen it posted on iBMW site and I went to the dealer today and the service manager was right on top of it.

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I had my left switch replaced last fall for free, it's a very expensive part.


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Only on 2009 on up? The alpha tester 2006 isn't part of it???....hard to imagine they engineered something right on the '06.
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Only on 2009 on up? The alpha tester 2006 isn't part of it???....hard to imagine they engineered something right on the '06.
Completely different switch internals on the '06-'08 bikes and the '09 and up bikes.

This replacement program covers most all of BMW's bikes post 2009 (RT, GS, GTL, etc.).

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Re: Recall on Switch Gear

Just had mine replaced on recall on my K13S. All '09 and up. It's not how they were engineered it's their parts supplier, which is usually the case. My orig mirror had a crack and when ordered replacement 4 replacements came in with same exact crack. Fixed when they changed supplier.

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...It's not how they were engineered it's their parts supplier...
My understanding is different, and I believe this is an engineering issue.

The first switches had all of the wiring printed on the switch body. The switch body was essentially a printed circuit board with traces running from the switches to the switch connector. These switches failed and there was a NHTSA recall on the K bikes.

The issue was believed to be with the supplier, so a new supplier was contracted.

The issue continued. The way these things fail is that the traces break when the switch body expands and contracts repeatedly. This is why you will often hear of 'fixes' that involve cold in some way. The cold contracts the switch body which may temporarily fix the issue.

These new switches do not have traces printed on the switch body. Instead, they have all the traces replaced with ribbon cables. From the look of them they should be good switches.

These switches are fixing an engineering issue.

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It's not how they were engineered it's their parts supplier, which is usually the case.
Actually, it's often both.

BMW tends to engineer things with very tight tolerances, which is one way they continue to push the features/performance/price/weight envelope.

Some suppliers seem to have difficulty manufacturing these parts in great quantities under BMW's tight specs. So marginal parts sneak through and get put on shipping bikes, allowing random failures to occur on random bikes at random times.

Now that falls on the suppliers, but it also falls on BMW's engineering and quality control departments.

And what usually (eventually) comes out of such failure analysis is a combination of BMW reengineering the parts to allow for wider manufacturing tolerances, and BMW taking tighter control of the quality/testing phase. And in some cases, changing suppliers outright.

That explains the recent switch failures (redesigned internal ribbon cables), the RT recall (redesigned shock components), the slew of final drive failures (several redesigns to reduce and then eliminate tight preload tolerances and marginal seals), and many of BMW's other failures.

The frustrating thing is that this still happens on brand-new BMW models, even though its been getting better overall (My GTL has had fewer issues than my K12GT, which had fewer than my LT).

But that's the price we pay for bleeding-edge technology. For some, the hassle is worth it and the pain disappears as soon as you roll on that throttle. And for others, it isn't, so they sell off and move to another brand.

Where you may fall into that spectrum is entirely up to you . . .

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Which is why I don't buy a new bike or car in the first or second year of production. I prefer not to be a beta tester. So, unless you have to be the first on on your block to have the latest then go for it. Btw, the explanation of switch gear failure was informative.

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I just had the switch gear ordered for both sides of my 2009 GT. Not sure just what prompted the recall but BMW is replacing both sides on 2009 and up. I am happy as mine were seriously faded. Did not get the number off the recall but had seen it posted on iBMW site and I went to the dealer today and the service manager was right on top of it.
Interesting, must see if the dealers in the UK are on top of it - took a while before they (BMW) gave in over the cam chain jump guard!!
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I took my old and new right side switches apart to see the difference. They went to a very fine flex wiring ribbon.
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Exactly.

The old switch (on the right) has the wire traces embedded right into the plastic housing. So as the part expands & contracts with heat, the traces can stretch at a different rate than the switch body and thus lose contact. When the part cools and contracts, it regains contact, which is why an early solution was to dump a bag of ice over the switchgear in the hopes that it would start working again.

The new switch (on the left) has the wire traces on a separate thin ribbon cable, so it can flex somewhat instead of pulling apart and breaking contact.

From all reports, the new switchgear is a permanent solution to this problem.

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post #12 of 17 Old Jun 1st, 2019, 7:32 am
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I know this is an old post but Im having switch problems but mine appears to be the new type switch from your description.For some reason I cant see the images you talk about ie the old type switch & the new so could you please do them again or just send them to me so I know what Ive got please
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For some reason I cant see the images you talk about ie the old type switch & the new so could you please do them again or just send them to me so I know what Ive got please
The photo opened up ok on my computer. It must be something on your end. I will attach John's picture again.
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During the 7 years I owned my 1300GT I had switch gear replace at least twice on both sides. After the recall they replaced both switches. I was not having any issues with the last set on the bike. All warrantied, When they replaced the last set within 90 days the right switched failed. Again replaced at no cost to me. I am glad I am within 20 miles of my dealer. Since then sold the GT and have a 16 RT. They look like the same switches but no issues. Knock on wood.

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I have a 2010 RT, and the issues with the switch-gear really irritated me. At one point, the switch failed, on the way home from being replaced.

I cannot remember how many times it was replaced, it took a number of years before BMW got their quality correct. Ultimately the handlebar heating failed, due to being replaced. I had to write to BMW to complain about that I was facing a repair bill.

BMW organised the repair free of charge and gave me a voucher for their equipment due to the continuing failures. Credence to BMW Customer Service, and trying to take care of their clientele.

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post #16 of 17 Old Jun 3rd, 2019, 8:41 am
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Got it thank you. It seems I have the old switch but over here there was no recall so BMW want 160 JUST TO SUPPLY THE SWITCH !!!! I have complained to BMW but with no luck. Seems daft they know its a fault but do nothing about it!!!
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Had mine replaced several times and at no cost to me, BMW Canada took care if it.


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