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This past weekend, I rode with a guy who had a Yamaha FJR1300. We rode for many miles, through many types of roads. (It is rumored that the guy used to own a GS and nobody could keep up with him.) I followed him and the first thing I noticed was how close the pegs were getting to the ground while I had a TON of room left. Is this true? Does the new GT have that much more ground clearance than the FJR?

I might add that the GT's suspension proved once again to be even better than I previously thought. Now with 4K miles on the clock, it just keeps revealing it's perfection more & more with each passing mile. Perhaps it's "Sport Mode" may be the reason for all of this ground clearance. Hhmmn...


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This past weekend, I rode with a guy who had a Yamaha FJR1300. We rode for many miles, through many types of roads. (It is rumored that the guy used to own a GS and nobody could keep up with him.) I followed him and the first thing I noticed was how close the pegs were getting to the ground while I had a TON of room left. Is this true? Does the new GT have that much more ground clearance than the FJR?

I might add that the GT's suspension proved once again to be even better than I previously thought. Now with 4K miles on the clock, it just keeps revealing it's perfection more & more with each passing mile. Perhaps it's "Sport Mode" may be the reason for all of this ground clearance. Hhmmn...



Yes. According to the head-to-head comparo in MCN this month (which...um...the FJR won...) the GT has much higher (and farther back) pegs. This was one of the deciding factors for me. My knees can't take the GT riding position but the FJR is perfect.

BTW: that is one great looking bike you have there! Looks better than other photos I've seen. The one I've seen in person wasn't that color which may be why.

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"Does the new GT have that much more ground clearance than the FJR?"

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Thanks. After over 3K of touring miles, I really like it. I got it at a discount and quickly from a fellow forum member...otherwise I would've ordered a shorter one. This one is technically referred to as a +6 (height) +3 (width). For me, I think a +4 height would be too short...a +5 would probably be perfect. But I still look way over it, so no big deal.
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Yes. According to the head-to-head comparo in MCN this month (which...um...the FJR won...) the GT has much higher (and farther back) pegs. This was one of the deciding factors for me. My knees can't take the GT riding position but the FJR is perfect.

Further back? ya got to be kidding, I was so much more comfortable on the GT than the FJR, my legs were bent like a pretzel on the FJR and the GT was fine! , if they are urther back so is the riding position on the GT, I couldn't ride that FJR for two hours

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(Disclaimer: Names are purposefully being withheld to protect the innocent and/or guilty.)

This past weekend, I rode with a guy who had a Yamaha FJR1300. We rode for many miles, through many types of roads. (It is rumored that the guy used to own a GS and nobody could keep up with him.) I followed him and the first thing I noticed was how close the pegs were getting to the ground while I had a TON of room left. Is this true? Does the new GT have that much more ground clearance than the FJR?

I might add that the GT's suspension proved once again to be even better than I previously thought. Now with 4K miles on the clock, it just keeps revealing it's perfection more & more with each passing mile. Perhaps it's "Sport Mode" may be the reason for all of this ground clearance. Hhmmn...

I followed both of ya that day, and that gt has a ton more clearence than the FJR, but I only scraped a few times on the LT <g>

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Odd, I just ran my FJR to Colorado and back rather than the LT because it is more comfortable for me solo. On the way back I rode from Durango to Lubock, TX, a bit more than 2 hours....(my tank to tank range is about 240 miles or about 4 hours or so) and was perfectly comfortable. I'm 5/11 but most of my length is in my legs. Have no problem with the peg postion. And its the seat, not the pegs, that makes my LT less comfortable than the FJR.

Oh, did someone mention that the FJR 'won' the MCN head to head comparison? And that it would have done even better if it had not been the AE model?

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Oh, did someone mention that the FJR 'won' the MCN head to head comparison?
Yea...Todd said those homos picked the FJR.
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Yea...Todd said those homos picked the FJR.
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Ergos are so subjective based on a person's actual measurements but for me at 6' and 32" inseam, the new GT bends my legs back more than the new FJR. That's consistent with the measurements that MCN conducted that have the GT pegs farther up and farther back with respect to the torso of the rider.

For me, the LT was unridable long term without the peg lowering kit. The FJR has no such issues.

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Ergos are so subjective based on a person's actual measurements but for me at 6' and 32" inseam, the new GT bends my legs back more than the new FJR.
I'm 6'3" with a 34" inseam . . . no problems here.
I guess your height isn't the problem. Must be your age!!!
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I don't see how, after the couple rides i have had on the Gt, IMHO there is NO comparison between the GT and the FJR , not for a sport touring or sport riding bike. I'vwe only rode the FJR once and couldn;t take the knee problems thou7gh, so maybe for some saving what 7k makes the bike BETTER?

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That's why it's good to have choices.

I'm blessed with the means to have acquired either (though in truth, I would have waited a bit longer if I wanted a GT for the initial demand to wane). I chose the FJR for many, many reasons but one of the keys was because it suited me better with respect to the ergos. In fact, I was prepared to sacrifice comfort in order to get the benefits from the sport-touring package, be it GT or FJR. Turns out the FJR is the most comfortable bike I've ever owned, LT included.

This knee issue isn't only about angle either. MCN pointed out what I discovered in a short test ride: the knee/tank interface is terrible on the GT as compared to the FJR. It's almost impossible to grip the tank with your knees on the GT where as you feel like a natural extension of the bike on the FJR.

I also live in an area (Dallas/Ft. Worth) that suffers from a lack of even one quality dealer. Many here would dispute that fact but it is my reality. Neither Plano nor Ft. Worth is worth a damn to me with respect to sales or service.

Listen, I get the whole BMW thing. I lived it for a while you know but I'll go a step further on this point: I'd pick the FJR again even if they cost the same. It's literally that good and the advantages of longer service intervals, cheaper service costs, excellent non-power brakes, and a great dealer network make it all the better.

Reviewer after reviewer are saying the same thing: the functionality of these two bikes is neck and neck in virtually every category. But when you factor in that the FJR is $8K CHEAPER it really is a no brainer.

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Reviewer after reviewer are saying the same thing: the functionality of these two bikes is neck and neck in virtually every category. But when you factor in that the FJR is $8K CHEAPER it really is a no brainer.
Now Todd. You know I'm no "BMW snob". I've owned them all, and I ride them all. And the one's I haven't owned yet, I will someday. (Harley Davidson) But to say that the FJR and the GT are equal in every way is simply not true.

But let's set that aside for now...

We all know that a rider should be the bike that speaks to his/her soul. And if the rider doesn't do that...than shame on them! After running with an FJR for a few days, I'm more convinced than ever that I made the right choice . . . as you did. I bought the bike that spoke to me. I'm assuming you did the same. These are emotional decisions. BRAINS has nothing to do with it. So let's leave the "no brainer" comments out of it.
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But to say that the FJR and the GT are equal in every way is simply not true.
That's not what he said, but you know that don't you?

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That's not what he said, but you know that don't you?
Todd said, "Reviewer after reviewer are saying the same thing: the functionality of these two bikes is neck and neck in virtually every category.". I'd say that's pretty close to my paraphrased version, no?
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Todd said, "Reviewer after reviewer are saying the same thing: the functionality of these two bikes is neck and neck in virtually every category.". I'd say that's pretty close to my paraphrased version, no?

Close to "Equal in every way?"

No.

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That's why it's good to have choices.
Listen, I get the whole BMW thing. I lived it for a while you know
When I made the switch from Hd in '02, i told myself i would never be brand specific again, and that holds true today, so to me it's not he BMW thing, heck after all the issues i had with BMW I said I would never buy another, that was untill I found my current dealer..........

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I have been looking at both the FJR and the GT as a second bike. To get the same amount of leg extension on the GT that I would get on the FJR I would have to add a peg relo kit (Pirate now carries one that is up to 60 mm. lower). Eyeballing both bikes, I would have to say that with a peg relo kit the lean angle advantage that the GT has over the FJR would disappear.
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