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Uncompromised refinement!

The only issue I had with the bike was the windshield. And we all know that BMW doesn't know how to design one of those. So, my new CB +6 +3 came today. (Thanks randy!) And now the bike is PERFECT! Folks!...I am in love!

My sincere hope is that BMW takes what they've done with this GT, and build on it to create the 'next' LT.
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What? You're not hoping for a V-6 LT?

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What? You're not hoping for a V-6 LT?
Doesn't matter what the powerplant is, just so the "uncompromised refinement" is in there. This GT is so advanced, that the differences between it and the current LT are staggering.

This is, of course, just my opinion.
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Joe can correct me if I am wrong about what he's saying, but I read this as that if you are riding an LT solo, you should give the new GT a look. It gives you many of the things you have on the LT, but better. Sure, it's missing the audio/intercom thing, but how many of us installed a third-party one anyway. The refinement, particularly in the powerplant and the new suspension, leave all previous BMW (and most motorcycles in general) in the dust.

As for the next-generation LT, my money is on the new slant-4 engine bored and stroked to 1300 or 1400cc. The idea that BMW will outsource an engine for their flagship product to Rotax (Bombardier) seems a bit ludicrous. The latest information that I've heard regarding the new LT are:
  • Bored and stroked slant-4 platform (probably 1300 or 1400cc)
  • Weight will be around 700 pounds (150 pounds lighter than the current version, and 80 pounds heavier than the GT).
  • It will be announced at the Intermot show in the fall of 2007 and arrive in the showrooms in spring of 2008 (this is almost a 1 year delay from the last report)
  • The platform is currently being tested in 3 formats (I don't know what that means -- it might mean different engine configs, maybe different body designs, who knows)
  • US Pricing will be targeted at "significantly less" than the Honda Goldwing.


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US Pricing will be targeted at "significantly less" than the Honda Goldwing.
great info, jeff
but, that last piont seems quite hard to believe
i was thinking that if BMW can get 22K for a FULL-BORE GT...
then they'll be looking for 25-26K for an LT with all the goodies

no?

how much are goldwings these days?
i don't even know

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great info, jeff
but, that last piont seems quite hard to believe
i was thinking that if BMW can get 22K for a FULL-BORE GT...
then they'll be looking for 25-26K for an LT with all the goodies

no?
I agree. The new LT will have to be more expensive than the GT.
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Uncompromised refinement!

The only issue I had with the bike was the windshield. And we all know that BMW doesn't know how to design one of those. So, my new CB +6 +3 came today...
+6 +3 windshield? Did you remove the fairing and put it up front? That must be huge. Hope you can look over it.

Or is it that the stock GT windshield is very small?

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What? You're not hoping for a V-6 LT?
Naw, let' dream a little, a V-8 based on the new engine, 45 to 60 degree bank, 300 hp, etc, etc
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Uncompromised refinement!

The only issue I had with the bike was the windshield. And we all know that BMW doesn't know how to design one of those. So, my new CB +6 +3 came today. (Thanks randy!) And now the bike is PERFECT! Folks!...I am in love!

My sincere hope is that BMW takes what they've done with this GT, and build on it to create the 'next' LT.
Joe,
Great to see you enjoying the GT so. I am wondering about something... One of the things I continually love about my '03 LT is the incredibly smooth motor, it's the smoothest mount I've ever ridden and seems to get better with miles. Does the GT motor feel as smooth as the LT, or is it just too hard to compare the two engines?

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Let's just hope they use that 1 year delay to fix and refine the things that creeped through in the first generation LT. No more Motronic swaps, throttle cable upgrades, bearing failures, plus offer an audio + intercom + CB/FRS interface that works, with direct iPod connection, etc. And losing 150 lbs while increasing power, smoothness, and reliability is always a good thing.

And where are the spy shots?

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Let's just hope they use that 1 year delay to fix and refine the things that creeped through in the first generation LT. No more Motronic swaps, throttle cable upgrades, bearing failures, plus offer an audio + intercom + CB/FRS interface that works, with direct iPod connection, etc. And losing 150 lbs while increasing power, smoothness, and reliability is always a good thing.

And where are the spy shots?
In reality, if the next-gen LT were to use the same platform that gave birth to the K1200S (like the R and GT), the LT would be the 4th generation of that platform. While only being 3 years old, most of the bugs will have been ironed out. Unlike the existing LT, which followed it's speedier sibling (the RS) only by a year, the next-gen LT will have had the benefit of 3 bike using the same platform first.


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Does the GT motor feel as smooth as the LT, or is it just too hard to compare the two engines?
Yes, the engines are VERY hard to compare. But if one was to ride the GT like you ride an LT, the engines are comparably smooth. Last night, the little lady and I went out for dinner on the GT. With my new CB shield, I really had a chance to hear the motor purr. Incredible! And I also finally learned how to adjust the suspension (ESA) for 2-up w/ luggage. BUTTER! Better than the LT ever rode. Most bumps are simply not felt anymore. My wife is really enjoying that.

Next Monday, we'll be riding the GT 2-up on a 700-mile trip. That will be the GT's true road-test regarding 2-up touring. Come Tuesday, expect the full review. If it does as well as I'm hoping, I'll be one happy camper!
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Next Monday, we'll be riding the GT 2-up on a 700-mile trip. That will be the GT's true road-test regarding 2-up touring. Come Tuesday, expect the full review. If it does as well as I'm hoping, I'll be one happy camper!
this will be the most important review for me
i'm eagerly anticipating your words
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Greg,

Are you just dying for your GT or what? You've been reading all this stuff and waiting for yours to arrive at the dealer. Any update on when yours will show up?


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Greg,

Are you just dying for your GT or what?
I have a small feeling just how this will play out. By the time Greg takes delivery, his expectations are going to be so high, that no bike could meet them. But slowly (approximately 1K miles), he'll get to know the bike, and understand it. And...like you and I, he will just be grinning from ear to ear with each new mile.

Last night, I got home and wiped it off from the rain. Bonding moment...you know. Looked at my clothes and realised how little was wet ('cept my boots, but they're waterproof). And once again was confirmed that I made the right choice. Great bike!


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Great to see you enjoying the GT so. I am wondering about something... One of the things I continually love about my '03 LT is the incredibly smooth motor, it's the smoothest mount I've ever ridden and seems to get better with miles. Does the GT motor feel as smooth as the LT, or is it just too hard to compare the two engines?
No the GT engine is not as smooth as the LT. The GT is very fast. You don't have to turn the trottle much to hit 80. I have an 05 LT Then I bought a GT WOW what a difference in ride and power. I like my LT better, as a matter fact. I traded the 06 GT for a 06 RT. It seems to be closer to the LT than the GT. Getting off the LT and riding the GT was just too much change
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No the GT engine is not as smooth as the LT.
I think we bought totally different models. And I don't see how you can say that a twin (the RT) is closer to the LT, than the 4-cylinder GT. It just doesn't make any sense. But then again...it doesn't have to. You're happy. I'm happy. Who cares.
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Greg,

Are you just dying for your GT or what? You've been reading all this stuff and waiting for yours to arrive at the dealer. Any update on when yours will show up?
jeff....
i'm so confused about the words from the dealer, that i don't know what to say
NOW he tells me that my bike (which has my name on it) will be a 2007 model and won't be made until AFTER the BMW vacation
they tell me that they can't get me a bike any earlier

jeff...
you know me well, in that i have ALWAYS been very loyal to my dealer... they have become my friends over time. i know that there might be other 2006 bikes available to me. i really don't know what to do

the whole situation is driving me crazy. i've parked the LT for good, not wanting to put any more miles on it before it's traded in on the GT (whenever that will be)

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I took my gal with me for test ride #2 of the new GT today. My pal at the dealer let us run it for over 3 hours. Yes, the throttle is really responsive. If the man who bought my 02 LT on EBAY shows Wednesday AM, the GT comes home Thursday. My wife, who has been hanging on the back of my bikes since 1971 said she likes the ride. Her only fuss was no music. That's easy to fix. I love how nimble the GT is in traffic. Dropping that 300# helps too. I am a GT convert. The LT is kinda like a great old girl friend who suddenly got too heavy. The GT suspension is silky smooth. It is REALLY easy to be going triple digits with no idea how fast you are really going.

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The GT suspension is silky smooth.
Did you know how to set it up for '2-Up w/ luggage'? That's the way my wife and I ride...then I set it to 'Comfort', and it is nothing short of unbelievable!
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My curiosity is up so I keep reading your posts on the GT. For you guy's waiting on yours there's one with 900 miles on it on ebay auction # 270002228618,Silver, maybe someone will get it from this site that wants one bad enough, not mine and don't know the folks. I still love my LT too much too even consider the GT. I don't need a crotch rocket, I love my stereo and CD's, Tunes are it! Besides it's so relaxing on that "big beautiful old broad" yeah she's fat but who cares, she's racey enough to keep me happy! Shhhh, don't tell Susan, she won't loose weight if she knows I love fat bikes! If she looses 10 more pounds think of the farkles I could replace it with!!!!

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How does the CG of the GT compare to the LT? Is there a significant improvement in handling at low speeds?
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